OT Figure It Out.... It's Not That Hard If You Just Try... (2 Viewers)

[dviss1]

Actually it does. Your Black Privilege doesn’t give you the right to assume you know what Indians think and feel.

Cluless post. Now you're the actually guy and the conspiracy nut. Go figure.

 

[dviss1]

 

[MarAzul]

Interesting indeed. errr but which tribe is willing to share with so many?
Like the Coquille tribe has the best healthcare in the county. Several million DACAs fuck that up asap.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The "epiphany" would come at shouldering the expense of social services and security alone...go for it smarty pants..

 

[dviss1]

The "epiphany" would come at shouldering the expense of social services and security alone...go for it smarty pants..

The fact that you think people who aren't citizens are receiving welfare says a lot about where you get your information...

 

[dviss1]

 

[MarAzul]

dviss hoping for a renewal and new out come to the Indian wars.

 

[MarAzul]

Guns! Germs! and Steel!

 

[dviss1]

dviss hoping for a renewal and new out come to the Indian wars.

 

[e_blazer]

First, stop quoting Wikipedia... Just stop that. 2nd, I never said the word Native American was racist. I said some are offended by it.

And when that day comes.. the day when we just refer to each other as people... I hope to live to see it.

But understand I never said it was racist.

First, stop telling me what to do. Just stop that . The quote has a footnote from a US Census Bureau study. I wouldn’t use it if it wasn’t documented.

Second, your quote was that the term Native “Americans” is offensive. How did you mean “offensive” if not in a racial context?

 

[dviss1]

First, stop telling me what to do. Just stop that . The quote has a footnote from a US Census Bureau study. I wouldn’t use it if it wasn’t documented.

Second, your quote was that the term Native “Americans” is offensive. How did you mean “offensive” if not in a racial context?

Offensive in the context that they were here before it was called America. And that to label them as American is just another slap in the face with regard to their genocide committed by Americans.

 

[stampedehero]

Doesn't make it any less racist...

I always though the Cleveland Indians logo was the most obvious racist insult.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, I took this oath;

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States...

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The fact that you think people who aren't citizens are receiving welfare says a lot about where you get your information...

Okay..going to hit the high points.

Never said "welfare" made reference to social services. Something many reservations struggle to provide for their own people. Social services that already are lacking are education and medical services. To saddle an already stressed economic environment with additional demands is unrealistic.

Also, the potential cultural requirements is not conducive to a positive outcome.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

dviss hoping for a renewal and new out come to the Indian wars.

Man, history is nothing but one culture subjugating or incorporating another..sheesh

 

[MARIS61]

How is it offensive? They're the only "native" Americans in the U.S..

It's offensive to the over 100 million Native Americans like myself who are not included.

They are descendants of immigrants, just like every other Real American who isn't a Naturalized Citizen.

There are 2 paths to US Citizenship.

1. Being born in America, which makes you a Native American Citizen.

2. Immigrating to the US and going through the relatively easy legal process to become a Naturalized American Citizen.

Both are equally Real Americans.

There is no 3rd path to becoming a Real American.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Doesn't make it any less racist...

The fact that you think they "become offensive over time" is the issue. Being slow on the uptake. They were offensive when they were created...

Playing Devil's Advocate, Only if it wasn't a Native American who originally came up with the name. Do we know who came up with the name?

Sometimes, we have to accept the perceived unacceptable ( as long as there is no physical harm) in order for us to move on from, forget, and treat each other equal.

With that said, what the big deal with changing the name to the Washington Corrupt

 

[e_blazer]

Offensive in the context that they were here before it was called America. And that to label them as American is just another slap in the face with regard to their genocide committed by Americans.

That’s what I was afraid you meant. America is the name of the continents (North and South) that is accepted worldwide. Being offended by its use is just looking to be offended IMO.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm glad you recognize it as that. You're president doesn't.

That Obama was born in Africa?

Okay.

 

[MARIS61]

Or indigenous people or aboriginal people or tribal locals......lot of definitions...if you get hardcore about it you should speak it in their language and not anglify it at all

HELL NO!

That is the newest form of racism, Cultural Appropriation.

 

[MarAzul]

It's offensive to the over 100 million Native Americans like myself who are not included.

They are descendants of immigrants, just like every other Real American who isn't a Naturalized Citizen.

There are 2 paths to US Citizenship.

1. Being born in America, which makes you a Native American Citizen.

2. Immigrating to the US and going through the relatively easy legal process to become a Naturalized American Citizen.

Both are equally Real Americans.

There is no 3rd path to becoming a Real American.

I was born here so I guess it's clear. Grandfather completed his naturalization so I guess he is on the proper side. Not quite clear about Dad though,
he came here quite young but never completed his naturalization. Would he be an American? He was last seen loading wounded Marines for transport off Iwo Jima.

 

[MARIS61]

The difference being that white people chose a name for their white owned team. If you don't see the difference I'm not sure what to tell you.

This country has done more than just shit on the Native people. Even calling them Apache shows ignorance. Another piece of ignorance.. they are not the Sioux... They're the LAKOTA..

Why is it so difficult for people to show respect for others?? Like I said.. It's really not that hard...

Ahem...

The name originated as a gesture of respect for player Louis Sockalexis, and American Indian player with the club.

The name "Indians" originated from a request by club owner Charles Somers to baseball writers to choose a new name to replace "Cleveland Naps" following the departure of Nap Lajoie after the 1914 season. The name referenced the nickname "Indians" that was applied to the Cleveland Spiders baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, played in Cleveland.[4] Common nicknames for the Indians include the "Tribe" and the "Wahoos", the latter being a reference to their logo, Chief Wahoo. Also, the team's mascot is named "Slider."

 

[Cippy91]

This thread gave me a good laugh.

 

[riverman]

This thread gave me a good laugh.

We are the National Lampoon of sports forums...

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's offensive to the over 100 million Native Americans like myself who are not included.

They are descendants of immigrants, just like every other Real American who isn't a Naturalized Citizen.

There are 2 paths to US Citizenship.

1. Being born in America, which makes you a Native American Citizen.

2. Immigrating to the US and going through the relatively easy legal process to become a Naturalized American Citizen.

Both are equally Real Americans.

There is no 3rd path to becoming a Real American.

IF you were born here that isn't Native. That's a Born Citizen. A Born citizen can have naturalized parents negating the nativity.

I was born in this country. MY grandparents migrated from Germany and Italy during world war two. How does that make me a Native American?

This is a foolhardy argument anyhow because, as you just proved, it all depends on the definition one assumes a Native American is.


Anyhow...

 

[MARIS61]

And when that day comes.. the day when we just refer to each other as people... I hope to live to see it.

You probably won't.

Especially if you keep "seeing" racism in everyone around you.

 

[MARIS61]

"White People" is a doubly racist slur, and negates any further intelligent discussion by the offender.

 

[MARIS61]

IF you were born here that isn't Native. That's a Born Citizen. A Born citizen can have naturalized parents negating the nativity.

I was born in this country. MY grandparents migrated from Germany and Italy during world war two. How does that make me a Native American?

This is a foolhardy argument anyhow because, as you just proved, it all depends on the definition one assumes a Native American is.


Anyhow...

Wrong.

MERRIAM WEBSTER
Definition of native

: belonging to a particular place by birth

• a native New Yorker

: belonging to or associated with one by birth

• hailed in his native Sweden as an influential dramatist—William Peden

 

[Orion Bailey]

Wrong.

MERRIAM WEBSTER
Definition of native

: belonging to a particular place by birth

• a native New Yorker

: belonging to or associated with one by birth

• hailed in his native Sweden as an influential dramatist—William Peden

Again, proving my point. This definition is CLEARLY not the consensus of the public, or there would not be any issue with the heritage at all...

 

[dviss1]

Man, history is nothing but one culture subjugating or incorporating another..sheesh

History has also shown humans living together with no war for hundreds of years. But hey, let's keep doing what racists do.