Final call what's YOUR offseason plan post Hedo-gate?

[Idog1976]

Mine is one I've said in the Sessions thread I'm just going to post the two trades, with one being a sign and trade for Sessions and Kurt Thomas giving up Blake and Outlaw + picks and other considerations.
The sign and trade for Sessions is a very real possibility because as PtldPlatypus said:

As has been mentioned before, the CBA also allows for an much larger raise in the third year, as long as the contract average fits within the first year's cap figure. For instance, we can offer 5y/$40M if it's structured as 5.5M/6.0M/8.5M/9.0M/9.5M. Depending on how much cap space we actually have, we could offer a deal that Milwaukee would be unlikely to match.

If we do that we can force a sign and trade as Milwaukee doesn't want Sessions to walk for nothing. That's when we try and get Kurt Thomas PF/C as well. Milwaukee gets a young 3/4 swing man and a PG to control the point along with Ridnour and Jennings plus rights to Euro's, picks and cash. Not ideal but better then Sessions walking.

The other is to trade Joel or Rudy for Battier. Houston needs a Center badly and also needs a SG to replace T-Mac soon (likely to be traded). You could trade Rudy in a "lop sided trade" for Battier but that would use up our cap space now. I am trying to get maximum bang for our buck and preserve flexibility (retain assets and cap space) I am going with Joel as the salaries match and we might be able to get them to throw in Chuck Hayes so we had a serviceable 3rd string PF for some depth in our front line (never a bad thing).

You then get a lineup of:

PG Sessions/Bayless
SG Roy/Rudy
SF Battier/Batum
PF LMA/Hayes/Thomas
C Oden/LMA/Thomas

What's more you would preserve the vaunted cap space for a lop-sided trade at the trade deadline or on draft day 2010.

Having considered most of the possibilities that is my "final answer" for what to do post Hedo.

You're KP what do you do?

P.S. feel free to critique mine but the point of this post is not to just elicit possibilities, but rather to find out what specific plan people would go for.

 

[BClutch]

Keep the cap space, wait into the season for teams who are overpaying and not doing well to become ready to dump salary, make a lopsided trade.

 

[Idog1976]

Keep the cap space, wait into the season for teams who are overpaying and not doing well to become ready to dump salary, make a lopsided trade.

That probably goes under option #1 on the poll.

 

[oldmangrouch]

There are actually several viable options listed, but I will stick with what I have been saying all along - PG! PG! PG! Sign the best available.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Andre Miller and a starting SF:

Tay Prince, Thad Young, Lamar Odom, Josh Childress, ect.

 

[Sinobas]

Mike Miller would be a better acquisition that Hedo. He's a much better shooter, better rebounder, and he's just as good a ball handler.

How could we get him? Utah needs a team with cap space to clear Boozer's salary from their books (otherwise, they are looking at a 82 million dollar salary). The Wizards could really use a tough PF in their starting lineup. Dealing Miller for Boozer would really balance out their roster.

Miller to Portland, Boozer to Washington, Utah clears his roster off their books and signs Millsap.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Ramon Sessions all day everyday. That's my #1 priority. He could transform this team, not only for the next couple of seasons, but beyond. After that, I would move onto acquiring a vet starting SF depending on how Sessions would be acquired. We could go outright and sign Marion or Odom if we wanted to if we had the money and Sessions was a guy acquired through a trade.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I plan to drink Heavily (OK, more heavily) until trainting camp starts ... depending on how the season goes I might end up in rehab.

 

[Idog1976]

I plan to drink Heavily (OK, more heavily) until trainting camp starts ... depending on how the season goes I might end up in rehab.

I take it you chose "Something Completely Different". LOL

 

[Nikolokolus]

I take it you chose "Something Completely Different". LOL

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Nice plan - I like both Sessions and Thomas and the Bucks might go for that, particularly as Blake and Outlaw's deals expire at the end of the season.

Of course, that might make them extra valuable to hold on to till the trade deadline...

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nice plan - I like both Sessions and Thomas and the Bucks might go for that, particularly as Blake and Outlaw's deals expire at the end of the season.

Of course, that might make them extra valuable to hold on to till the trade deadline...

HAH!!

I'm not sure if you were being intentionally funny, but I just coughed up some New Belgium 1554 through my nose (I'm hard at work on my off-season regimen).

 

[Draco]

A number of these options would use our cap space to provide value to the team, they would gain us assets. I would attempt them in the following order;

-Sign UFA Odom
-Sign RFA Sessions
-Sign RFA Lee
-Sign RFA Millsap
-Call other GM's to see if we can do a lopsided trade bringing in an overpriced player or good player on a cash strapped team
-Sign RFA Childress
-Sign RFA Williams
-Wait until the season begins to make lopsided trade from a struggling team during the season
-If cap space is still unused by the trade deadline accept the best offer, this may be a marginal talent or a salary dump with draft picks.



Overpriced players I would target in trades based on talent, availability, and salary;
Luol Deng
Kirk Hinrich
Tayshaun Prince
Richard Hamilton
Corey Maggette
Shane Battier
Baron Davis
Andrew Bogut
Tyson Chandler
Mickael Pietrus
Amare Stoudemire
Jason Richardson
Andrei Kirilenko
Carlos Boozer
Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison

 

[Blazer4life]

What about this for an idea. Sorry I started a new thread with this idea but read this one after. I think this an appropriate place to discuss this.

Since we have made a lot of trades with Phoenix in the past and as Kerr admitted they are in rebuild mode why not do a sign and trade for Nash and a resigned G Hill (to a 2 year contract). We could trade them both Blake, Outlaw (both expiring contracts at years end) and then use the remaining capspace we have to offset the difference. Phoenix would do this to save major $$$$ and get a head start on the process. Portland does it to get 2 vets who are solid and to bridge the youth gap. In 2 years time both players ride off into the sunset and players like Batum and Bayless have matured and are ready to take over. If this is not enough we can add Freeland and Kop in the trade to give them some prospects, maybe even our 1st next year. I'm just trying to come up with an idea. Any thoughts?

 

[Idog1976]

Overpriced players I would target in trades based on talent, availability, and salary;
Luol Deng
Kirk Hinrich
Tayshaun Prince
Richard Hamilton
Corey Maggette
Shane Battier
Baron Davis
Andrew Bogut
Tyson Chandler
Mickael Pietrus
Amare Stoudemire
Jason Richardson
Andrei Kirilenko
Carlos Boozer
Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison

Bogut is intriguing, but only if you traded him onward to Houston for Battier and one of Landry/Hayes. Atawn Jamison is not a bad thought and would make it reasonable to trade Joel.

So would you right now go for Odom over Sessions thinking about likelihood of the signing as well as pay off?

 

[STOMP]

I voted for holding on to the capspace and gambling that midseason deals will become available from teams hemorrhaging cash and cringing at the lux tax line coming down in 2010-11, but I like a couple of the other options as well. Sessions Childress and Millsap all seem intriguing if available. Acquiring Millsap would allow the club to deal Joel (who I think would be a very attractive player to a lot of teams) and give LA more minutes guarding Centers. I think a Bigs rotation of PM Greg and LaMarcus would be great... any combo of the 3 would be effective.

STOMP

 

[Peaceman]

I had some interest in the rumor we heard a week before the draft. Trade Blake, Outlaw and our cap space for Deng and Hinrich. Hinrich is a defense upgrade over Blake and Deng when healthy is a great SF. IMO this move will improve our defense, thus keep Greg and Joel out of foul trouble from poor defense. I know with Dengs health last year it probably won't be popular, but I really don't like our options in free agency.

If I was to select another option, it would be trade the cap space with a player to get a great player.

 

[Idog1976]

What about this for an idea. Sorry I started a new thread with this idea but read this one after. I think this an appropriate place to discuss this.

Since we have made a lot of trades with Phoenix in the past and as Kerr admitted they are in rebuild mode why not do a sign and trade for Nash and a resigned G Hill (to a 2 year contract). We could trade them both Blake, Outlaw (both expiring contracts at years end) and then use the remaining capspace we have to offset the difference. Phoenix would do this to save major $$$$ and get a head start on the process. Portland does it to get 2 vets who are solid and to bridge the youth gap. In 2 years time both players ride off into the sunset and players like Batum and Bayless have matured and are ready to take over. If this is not enough we can add Freeland and Kop in the trade to give them some prospects, maybe even our 1st next year. I'm just trying to come up with an idea. Any thoughts?

Interesting idea. Phoenix is going to try to get Bayless of course and that can't be part of the trade or we are in win now mode as far as PG goes. Not a bad idea to get Nash and Hill. I do think you are putting your eggs in the Bayless basket if you do that though.

 

[Further]

Devin Harris

 

[Draco]

So would you right now go for Odom over Sessions thinking about likelihood of the signing as well as pay off?

I'd target Odom for a combination of reasons:

He is the best free agent still available with a diverse set of skills at a similar talent level to Hedo.
He is unrestricted.
An offer would at the least force the Lakers to pay him more possibly limiting them from signing an MLE player in future seasons.
If he did join our team he would be a gain for us and a subtraction to LA. Since we are in the same conference and they have such a talented roster, I view LA as our biggest obstacle to titles during the next 6 seasons.

Devin Harris

This would be a no-brainer Pau Gasol type of acquisition. I don't believe Devin is available unless we include one of our big 3, which is not happening anytime soon. Devin is clearly the best player on his team, playing on a reasonable contract and an All-star, he isn't available for spare parts.

 

[Minstrel]

This would be a no-brainer Pau Gasol type of acquisition. I don't believe Devin is available unless we include one of our big 3, which is not happening anytime soon.

If you could sign Paul Milsap, would you deal Aldridge for Harris? I probably would. I think Aldridge is significantly more talented than Milsap, but I think Harris/Milsap is superior to Blake (or Miller)/Aldridge.

I like Bayless' talent, but until he does something, I wouldn't want to count on him in terms of team-building.

A long-term starting five of:

PG: Devin Harris
SG: Brandon Roy
SF: Nicolas Batum
PF: Paul Milsap
C: Greg Oden

Seems pretty fantastic. If Bayless does develop into a quality player, he'll either make the team that much better as a great reserve or he can be traded if he proves to be far too good for a reserve role.

 

[Draco]

If you could sign Paul Milsap, would you deal Aldridge for Harris? I probably would. I think Aldridge is significantly more talented than Milsap, but I think Harris/Milsap is superior to Blake (or Miller)/Aldridge.

No, I wouldn't deal Aldridge for Harris. The combo of Aldridge and Oden could be one of the best 4/5 combo's of all time and I won't break that up unless it's a Chris Paul level of talent in return. Aldridge has a shot at becoming the best PF, or more likely a top 3 PF in the NBA. While Harris is a great player, there are more young talents at his position, I don't think he quite has the same ceiling.

Blake has significant deficiencies as a starter and while the potential lineup you list may be better in the short term it is not the process I would follow to assemble a franchise over the long term. There will be opportunities to upgrade the PG position down the road, just because it is has been a weakness in recent times doesn't mean we should severely weaken a strong position. I'd rather have one excellent starter paired with a bad starter than two good but less than excellent starters. There are many opportunities to add good players, but finding an excellent player is extremely difficult.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I would work with NY to sign-and-trade David Lee to Charlotte so that we could receive Gerald Wallace. I would move Travis Outlaw and Rudy Fernandez to NY.

In the next move, I'd trade Steve Blake and either Dante Cunningham or a future 2nd rounder to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich.

I'm just not sold on any of the free agent point guards, even Sessions.

 

[tlongII]

JEEZUS! Do you people even read any of my posts??? You guys are driving me effing crazy! Our biggest need is at backup POWER FORWARD! How many times do I have to tell you that?

 

[Minstrel]

There will be opportunities to upgrade the PG position down the road, just because it is has been a weakness in recent times doesn't mean we should severely weaken a strong position. I'd rather have one excellent starter paired with a bad starter than two good but less than excellent starters. There are many opportunities to add good players, but finding an excellent player is extremely difficult.

I agree, but Harris is an excellent starter. Millsap is a very good starter. In fact, he's the same age as Aldridge and has produced comparably. I think Aldridge's ceiling is higher, but I think you are either overrating Aldridge or significantly underrating Harris and Millsap. Harris is currently a better player than Aldridge and while Aldridge is likely to catch him and may even surpass him, he's very unlikely to surpass Harris by a lot.

This isn't dealing a prime Duncan for a young Andre Miller and Brian Grant as you imply with "one excellent starter and two good starters." The three players in question are of pretty similar ability level. Harris a bit better but also a bit older. I think Aldridge is likely to be the best of the three, but the difference between Aldridge and Millsap is not massive. The difference between Harris and Blake is pretty huge.

 

[tlongII]

I agree, but Harris is an excellent starter. Millsap is a very good starter. In fact, he's the same age as Aldridge and has produced comparably. I think Aldridge's ceiling is higher, but I think you are either overrating Aldridge or significantly underrating Harris and Millsap. Harris is currently a better player than Aldridge and while Aldridge is likely to catch him and may even surpass him, he's very unlikely to surpass Harris by a lot.

This isn't dealing a prime Duncan for a young Andre Miller and Brian Grant as you imply with "one excellent starter and two good starters." The three players in question are of pretty similar ability level. Harris a bit better but also a bit older. I think Aldridge is likely to be the best of the three, but the difference between Aldridge and Millsap is not massive. The difference between Harris and Blake is pretty huge.

Please tell me that is a typo!

 

[Minstrel]

Please tell me that is a typo!

Nope, though Aldridge's team defense makes it close.

 

[B-Roy]

How would you deal Aldridge for Harris anyways? If you deal him unextended, I doubt the Nets do it. If you do extend him, he becomes PPP and his contract becomes difficult to trade.

 

[Minstrel]

How would you deal Aldridge for Harris anyways? If you deal him unextended, I doubt the Nets do it. If you do extend him, he becomes PPP and his contract becomes difficult to trade.

I was speaking conceptually. I haven't thought through the specific cap issues and how/whether it is possible.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Bogut is intriguing, but only if you traded him onward to Houston for Battier and one of Landry/Hayes. Atawn Jamison is not a bad thought and would make it reasonable to trade Joel.

So would you right now go for Odom over Sessions thinking about likelihood of the signing as well as pay off?

BUCKS AS TRADE PARTNER (thread started two days ago - received lots of laughs!)

Pryz + Outlaw + Blake + Picks

to the Bucks for


Bogut & Sessions (S&T)


Saves Bucks serious coin, paying Bogut 12M per year for 4 years.

Gives us a "scoring center" which we do not have in Pryz or Oden.