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Natebishop3 said:
So firstly, you throw out some random point about it not being the same, but offer nothing else until I responded.

Second, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 exact same trade. I'm saying that we moved a player for a trade that made sense for the team and was a absolute win. None of the trades that Cronin has made feel like absolute wins.
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You can remove "absolute"
 
WesleyMatthews said:
The CJ trade has potential to possibly be good... a FRP, Hart could be a nice rotational player, CJ contract might look even worse a year from now. I can see why some people are for or against it.

The Clippers trade is indefensible. The big advantage a few posters brought up at the time of luxury tax savings now are completely irrelevant too. 2 starters on good contracts for 3 scrubs.
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Agreed. Hart is younger, taller, better advanced stats and a lot cheaper. Then we get that FRP, possibly lottery and a tall two way guard who is still young. I'm beginning to think we killed this trade!
 
maxiep said:
You can remove "absolute"
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They were complete losses given what we traded to get assets like Roco/Powell/Nance, and that's the sign of a novice at the helm.

It's unfortunately who we have running the show right now.

But if you came to me and said we'd get 20 million in savings, Hart and a possible lottery pick for CJ at the beginning of the year, I take that and run.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Agreed. Hart is younger, taller, better advanced stats and a lot cheaper. Then we get that FRP, possibly lottery and a tall two way guard who is still young. I'm beginning to think we killed this trade!
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And it's possible th first trade was as good as he could get also; if Cleveland preferred LeVert, then that better deal wasn't available.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
And it's possible th first trade was as good as he could get also; if Cleveland preferred LeVert, then that better deal wasn't available.
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Well then just don't do that first trade. Either sign and trade Roco in the summer or let him walk. Norm has more value than any MLE level signing the Blazers could get in the summer.

I get the rationale for the CJ trade, yes I might've hoped for more but the potential advantages make sense.

The Clippers trade made no sense a few days ago and makes even less sense now.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I REALLY don’t get the hate? THIS team wasn’t winning shit, and really had no hope for the future.

Cronin took that and dumped salary to give the team a chance to add some pieces for next years team that might fit together a bit better. He also may have got back a lottery pick to help replace the shit ton of picks OLSHEY gave away for band-aids.

Portland might have two lottery picks next year and 50+ million in cap space.

I’ll take that over the shot show it was looking like before the trades


ALSO, probably one more trade and a potential add on to this one
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Best post I've seen in here all week.
RoCo, Powell and CJ finally gone...
To me, the return for 2022 is irrelevant, long term addition by subtraction.
 
Is it now a possibility Chicago never gets the 1st round pick from us?

How many years is it protected?
Is it straight lottery protection every year?

Missing the playoffs for the short term future is certainly on the table.
 
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I’m super excited about the direction of this franchise.
 
Looks like straight lottery protection until 2028 when it becomes a 2nd rounder. Hopefully we make the playoffs before then, but its certainly much more likely we keep that pick now than what I would've thought 5 days ago.

Portland's 2022 first-rounder, protected through the lottery until 2028. If the pick still hasn'y conveyed to Chicago by then, the Blazers will send a 2028 second-rounder to the Windy City.
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https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers/analysis/grading-the-deal-blazers-trade-first-round-pick-for-larry-nance-jr#:~:text=Portland acquired veteran forward Larry,via sign-and-trade.
 
Wade Garrett said:
Best post I've seen in here all week.
RoCo, Powell and CJ finally gone...
To me, the return for 2022 is irrelevant, long term addition by subtraction.
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Basically, we have 4 players left on the team, and 2 of them are out for the season.
 
illmatic99 said:
They were complete losses given what we traded to get assets like Roco/Powell/Nance, and that's the sign of a novice at the helm.

It's unfortunately who we have running the show right now.

But if you came to me and said we'd get 20 million in savings, Hart and a possible lottery pick for CJ at the beginning of the year, I take that and run.
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The Roco/Powell deal was so s***ty, it makes the CJ trade look good.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Looks like straight lottery protection until 2028 when it becomes a 2nd rounder. Hopefully we make the playoffs before then, but its certainly much more likely we keep that pick now than what I would've thought 5 days ago.



https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers/analysis/grading-the-deal-blazers-trade-first-round-pick-for-larry-nance-jr#:~:text=Portland acquired veteran forward Larry,via sign-and-trade.
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You cracked the case! We have made these deals to keep our 2028 1st round pick! Genius!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Basically, we have 4 players left on the team, and 2 of them are out for the season.
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But more cap space(60 Mil.) to add quality players at NEEDED positions. Joe & Staff are busting a move to remake this roster. That's what was needed to leave the stagnant situation our roster was in.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I REALLY don’t get the hate? THIS team wasn’t winning shit, and really had no hope for the future.

Cronin took that and dumped salary to give the team a chance to add some pieces for next years team that might fit together a bit better. He also may have got back a lottery pick to help replace the shit ton of picks OLSHEY gave away for band-aids.

Portland might have two lottery picks next year and 50+ million in cap space.

I’ll take that over the shot show it was looking like before the trades


ALSO, probably one more trade and a potential add on to this one
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And the most important aspect of all this suckage:

CHET to Portland — the chances have substantially gone up :cheers:
 
tykendo said:
But more cap space(60 Mil.) to add quality players at NEEDED positions. Joe & Staff are busting a move to remake this roster. That's what was needed to leave the stagnant situation our roster was in.
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Absolutely, hope it works out. But, Joe has landed exactly zero free agents. We'll see what he does with the $$$.
 
What Joe Cronin sees when he looks in the mirror, let's hope he's right:
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(yes, this is from moneyball)
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Absolutely, hope it works out. But, Joe has landed exactly zero free agents. We'll see what he does with the $$$.
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True, but you can't prove yourself without having an opportunity. He's put in place, that ability. Go Joe Go!
 
tykendo said:
True, but you can't prove yourself without having an opportunity. He's put in place, that ability. Go Joe Go!
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I'm definitely rooting for him, but small town Portland is not the Lakers. This is a Lakers-type of plan.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I REALLY don’t get the hate? THIS team wasn’t winning shit, and really had no hope for the future.

Cronin took that and dumped salary to give the team a chance to add some pieces for next years team that might fit together a bit better. He also may have got back a lottery pick to help replace the shit ton of picks OLSHEY gave away for band-aids.

Portland might have two lottery picks next year and 50+ million in cap space.

I’ll take that over the shot show it was looking like before the trades


ALSO, probably one more trade and a potential add on to this one
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Serious questions. What FA would you target with our cap space? What FA do you actually think would sign here?

Just as an aside, the predictions on how much cap space we will actually have seems all over the map.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Serious questions. What FA would you target with our cap space? What FA do you actually think would sign here?

Just as an aside, the predictions on how much cap space we will actually have seems all over the map.
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Max cap space is if we renounce Hart, Simons and Nurk.

Seems like Hart and Simons provide much more value at their cap hold, so the space should really be reported as likely at ~35 million. So possibly could sign a max free agent in theory.

But what is likely? I'd say;

1 Probably most likely the team stays over the cap and keeps trade exceptions, MLE, cap holds, etc.
2 Or the team decides to go the OKC Thunder route and absorb contracts in trade for youth/picks. This strategy makes more sense if the team moves to trading away Dame and/or tanking again next season.
3 Signing an impact free agent above non tax MLE is third and least likely scenario
 
If we do ultimately trade Dame doesn't that give Cronin much more job security?

We get a bunch of picks and young players and expectations to lose and get more picks and more young players.... so there would be no wins, playoffs, or other metric to judge if he is doing well.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Max cap space is if we renounce Hart, Simons and Nurk.

Seems like Hart and Simons provide much more value at their cap hold, so the space should really be reported as likely at ~35 million. So possibly could sign a max free agent in theory.

But what is likely? I'd say;

1 Probably most likely the team stays over the cap and keeps trade exceptions, MLE, cap holds, etc.
2 Or the team decides to go the OKC Thunder route and absorb contracts in trade for youth/picks. This strategy makes more sense if the team moves to trading away Dame and/or tanking again next season.
3 Signing an impact free agent above non tax MLE is third and least likely scenario
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hypothetically the Blazers could go into the moratorium and then talk to FA's like Harden, LaVine, & Beal and determine if any would be willing to sign with Portland. If so, they could then renounce Hart, Nurkic, and their 27M in TPE's, then sign the free agent

but that hypothetical dies because the guarantee date of Hart's contract in June 25. So, the best Portland can do is to re-sign Hart and hope for a S&T using Hart as part of the collateral.

another possibility: Portland isn't hard-capped this season. It's possible, at the draft, that the Blazers could have 2 lottery picks, maybe one a top-4 pick, as well as the 31M in the Bledsoe and Hart contracts, plus filler, and work out an extend-and-trade for a pending free agent; or even a straight trade (how about a 3 team trade of Harden to Brooklyn; Bledsoe + filler and lottery picks to Philly; Simmons to Portland? I'm not real fond of the notion of trading for 33 year old Harden)

Portland's future Dame-centered options all appear to be long shots of varying degree of difficulty. But the Blazers, IMO, owe Dame at least one honest attempt at building a contender around him. Olshey never did that because he was so completely welded to CJ, in brain (ego) and heart
 
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