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Fez Forthright said:
HOWEVER, this still doesn’t excuse that Clipper trade. That return for Powell alone was poor - and probably rushed to get a deal done.
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I watched Powell on the Clippers last night vs the Grizz. For every bucket he gets ya, he gives up a wide open lane on the other end. Be mad at the GTJ trade, but not a the one that undid the mistake.
 
craigehlo said:
I watched Powell on the Clippers last night vs the Grizz. For every bucket he gets ya, he gives up a wide open lane on the other end. Be mad at the GTJ trade, but not a the one that undid the mistake.
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TBpup said:
At the very least, Joe has a plan that he is going after. Who knows if it works out, but there is a direction.
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Makes up for all the years we wanted something to happen during trade deadline, at very least we are players this year
 
Can this thread please not leave the front page of the forum?
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You can hate on Norm and Roco all you want, but none of the players that came from the Clippers are better. That is a fact.
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We were never going to get a better player than Norm in a Norm trade. His contract was too much of a negative. Roco's reasonable contract was how we were able to deal Norm at all, IMO.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
What!?!?!?! Just a few months ago the entire world said that contract was a steal.
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It was good for us because we didn't lose him for nothing and we were making a push for this season. Unfortunately that didn't work out and his deal is too long for teams to feel comfortable with. If we waited a year or two to trade him that deal wouldn't be bad at all.

But teams don't want to commit to 5 years.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It was good for us because we didn't lose him for nothing and we were making a push for this season. Unfortunately that didn't work out and his deal is too long for teams to feel comfortable with. If we waited a year or two to trade him that deal wouldn't be bad at all.

But teams don't want to commit to 5 years.
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I disagree. He's a very good starter on a reasonable contract. Where are you getting your information? By all accounts, there was supposedly a lot of interest in Norm and RoCo going into the trade deadline.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I disagree. He's a very good starter on a reasonable contract. Where are you getting your information? By all accounts, there was supposedly a lot of interest in Norm and RoCo going into the trade deadline.
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I've heard multiple people say it. The one that comes to mind is John Hollinger. There were comparable players to Norm available with more team friendly deals.
If there were better offers on the table I don't think Cronin would have taken a lesser offer. He's obviously not out here being lazy, considering all the moves he's making.

Occam's razor...
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I've heard multiple people say it. The one that comes to mind is John Hollinger. There were comparable players to Norm available with more team friendly deals.
If there were better offers on the table I don't think Cronin would have taken a lesser offer. He's obviously not out here being lazy, considering all the moves he's making.

Occam's razor...
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Hollinger is a moron. He completely flopped as a GM.

Cronin took a deal A FULL WEEK before the deadline. We have no idea what offers might have been there if we were closer to the deadline.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hollinger is a moron. He completely flopped as a GM.

Cronin took a deal A FULL WEEK before the deadline. We have no idea what offers might have been there if we were closer to the deadline.
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Exactly. You don't think the Clippers make that trade today vs. last week? I really did not understand the rush in getting that deal done.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hollinger is a moron. He completely flopped as a GM.

Cronin took a deal A FULL WEEK before the deadline. We have no idea what offers might have been there if we were closer to the deadline.
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Hollinger was never a GM, that's for sure. Not sure how one can flop at a job he never had.

As for could Powell brought a better return - maybe, maybe not. He certainly was not a needle mover to anyone I could think of - so his salary and length of contract was at best non-negative.

I think that given the mess that NeO left - trying to extract every bit of value from that - when there is a time limit on Dame clock was maybe not a realistic option - so when he got a chance to get some value for a contract that would walk away (RoCo) + a long contract on an ok player - he took it. Time will tell if it was right or not, but it was obvious that Portland would have to pay for all the NeO mistakes that accumulated over a decade.
 
andalusian said:
Hollinger was never a GM, that's for sure. Not sure how one can flop at a job he never had.

As for could Powell brought a better return - maybe, maybe not. He certainly was not a needle mover to anyone I could think of - so his salary and length of contract was at best non-negative.

I think that given the mess that NeO left - trying to extract every bit of value from that - when there is a time limit on Dame clock was maybe not a realistic option - so when he got a chance to get some value for a contract that would walk away (RoCo) + a long contract on an ok player - he took it. Time will tell if it was right or not, but it was obvious that Portland would have to pay for all the NeO mistakes that accumulated over a decade.
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I thought Hollinger was GM for the Grizz. Did I remember incorrectly?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hollinger is a moron. He completely flopped as a GM.

Cronin took a deal A FULL WEEK before the deadline. We have no idea what offers might have been there if we were closer to the deadline.
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I don’t think Cronin had the same view of the team as most around here. I don’t think he wanted a bunch of solid-but-not-star players that he could get in return for our similar guys that he sent out in his trades. My bet is that he sees Simons as a future All-Star that will be paired with Dame in the backcourt. Hart and Little make a nice rotation at SF. Nurk is likely to be re-signed at C. I think Joe is only looking for an All-Star caliber PF to complete his vision of the team. Whether that’s Grant, as has been rumored, or someone else, I bet he has a plan to get that player.
 
I'm not buying into the "Olshey left the cupboard bare" like. What he acquired was a bunch of talented players who didn't fit well together. It was like a conglomerate. A corporate raider would come in and extract value by breaking up the corporation into individual companies. The sum of the individual parts were greater than the whole. We failed to get value for a bunch of our pieces. That's on Cronin and the front office, not on Olshey. His only blame is for garnering the pieces in the first place. So much just never fit on this team.
 
Looks like 'Cap Room' is going to have to score quite a bit, defend, rebound, and create quite a bit this summer.
 
maxiep said:
He was President of Basketball Operations, which is a fancy name for a GM.
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Again, never president, just VP and per basketball reference never in charge of player personnel decisions:

Only the executives in charge of player personnel decisions (usually the general manager) are listed.

1 Stu Jackson 1994 2000-05-09
2 Billy Knight 2000-05-10 2002-04-19
3 Dick Versace 2002-04-19 2002-04-30
4 Jerry West 2002-04-30 2007-06-18
5 Chris Wallace 2007-06-19 2012-11-03
6 Jason Levien 2012-11-04 2014-05-19
7 Chris Wallace 2014-05-19 2019-04-11
8 Zachary Kleiman 2019-04-11 present
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hollinger is a moron. He completely flopped as a GM.

Cronin took a deal A FULL WEEK before the deadline. We have no idea what offers might have been there if we were closer to the deadline.
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Well I'm sure everybody in here would be fantastic GMs, but I also think Hollinger probably has more inside knowledge on player values than most in here. And he isn't the only person who has reported that... I think the deal was made when it was to maximize the potential of other deals.
 
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He learned under Olshey

Made trades that John Nash would’ve made

Joe Cronin and Bert will keep Portland a doormat team.
 
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