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Fez Forthright said:
He learned under Olshey

Made trades that John Nash would’ve made

Joe Cronin and Bert will keep Portland a doormat team.
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We're just not accustomed to the Blazers being run like a business rather than a passion. Wins and losses don't matter. Fan reaction doesn't matter. The Blazers will make money. That's what's important to Jody.
 
So that’s it for the deadline?

ouch

He did some dirty work but didn’t have the charisma to get a sweet deal done!
 
maxiep said:
I'm not buying into the "Olshey left the cupboard bare" like. What he acquired was a bunch of talented players who didn't fit well together. It was like a conglomerate. A corporate raider would come in and extract value by breaking up the corporation into individual companies. The sum of the individual parts were greater than the whole. We failed to get value for a bunch of our pieces. That's on Cronin and the front office, not on Olshey. His only blame is for garnering the pieces in the first place. So much just never fit on this team.
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Sorry Roco SUCKED and is a expiring this yr and NO gave up 2 firsts for him
If Nance is starter quality, there is a problem and he always hurt add having surgery tomorrow - NO gave up a first for him
Most all here said CJ needed to go and given his bloated salary I think we got very decent value back
Now Powell you can argue but that was a long term contract - I'll give we may have lost that one but its not horribly lopsided
 
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maxiep said:
We're just not accustomed to the Blazers being run like a business rather than a passion. Wins and losses don't matter. Fan reaction doesn't matter. The Blazers will make money. That's what's important to Jody.
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Have we been watching the same ISO ball centric close your eyes team on a treadmill to nowhere the past few years? This team was the essence of going nowhere and not fun at al to watch anymore, if you can't see the need for a major house cleaning, I don't know what else to say
 
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andalusian said:
Hollinger was never a GM, that's for sure. Not sure how one can flop at a job he never had.

As for could Powell brought a better return - maybe, maybe not. He certainly was not a needle mover to anyone I could think of - so his salary and length of contract was at best non-negative.
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Exactly. Norm might have got a better deal or he might not have. There was no reason to trade him last week without a meaningful asset coming back in return. We gave up the opportunity cost of a better deal today or in the future, and for virtually no benefit.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well I'm sure everybody in here would be fantastic GMs, but I also think Hollinger probably has more inside knowledge on player values than most in here. And he isn't the only person who has reported that... I think the deal was made when it was to maximize the potential of other deals.
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Well then that was a fail as well, since nothing was done with any component of that trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Exactly. Norm might have got a better deal or he might not have. There was no reason to trade him last week without a meaningful asset coming back in return. We gave up the opportunity cost of a better deal today or in the future, and for virtually no benefit.
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Maybe he just didn't fit well with Chauncy's style of play, it appears one of Joes goals was to get Chauncy players that will play his style. I tink he did that and obviously there is a lot more to do, a star was made IMO and it appears we will give Chauncy his chance
 
So the first deal was just about as horrible as it could have been, especially when we saw guys with worse production getting far more draft capitol and clearing salary in one for one deals. I mean, it's the worst trade I've ever seen us make. Two guys who can start on most teams in the league and could easily be the 4th or 5th best guy on a championship roster for Johnson and a 2025 second rounder. It's disgusting. I'd give it an F

The CJ/Nance trade is a little more complicated. CJ didn't have the best contract but is a helluva offensive talent. Nance had to have a minor knee surgery and will be back reportedly in 6 weeks, so for the playoffs. Then he has another year on his contract at a very team friendly 9.7M... that has to have some value. So Hart, a first rounder that we need to get lucky to collect this off season... that's not really a good return on a guy like CJ who is a star player in this league just a tier below an all star and Nance who is a really solid role player for any squad. If you spin this one with the whole clearing cap space was our first priority then I would say it was just a minor loss. For sure the Pelicans got over on us but it wasn't too bad. I'd give it a C-/D+
 
blazerkor said:
It cost us a helluva lot of talent. I don't think there's a greater currency in this business.
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Addition by subtraction.
Dear Lord didn't ANYBODY notice the ball movement last night?
More heart and hustle than we've seen with this team?
That...is what's been accomplished so far. The puzzle doesn't finish 'till July.
 
wizenheimer said:
was difficult to watch several teams land 1st round picks for lesser players than Powell and RoCo
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Wade Garrett said:
Addition by subtraction.
Dear Lord didn't ANYBODY notice the ball movement last night?
More heart and hustle than we've seen with this team?
That...is what's been accomplished so far. The puzzle doesn't finish 'till July.
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No kidding, last nights game for me was one of the most enjoyable to watch all fukkin yr! Always lookin for the open guy, playin hard and max hustle!
 
blazerkor said:
It cost us a helluva lot of talent. I don't think there's a greater currency in this business.
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I don't think so. Those guys were going to be shipped out anyway. I don't think we were going to get a better return with those salaries.
 
Ya right...

There are some inside the Blazers organization who are pulling for Cronin to get the job. They are giving that endorsement because they have heard from others around the league who were in trade meetings and privy to player evaluations. Want to know why Portland got so little in return for those players who were in the starting lineup? The rest of the league didn’t value them, certainly not to the level of their salary. Among the cap brainiacs and the talent evaluators around the NBA, Cronin is being celebrated.

https://theathletic.com/3124446/202...t-trade-deadline-depends-on-your-expectation/
 
illmatic99 said:
Ya right...

There are some inside the Blazers organization who are pulling for Cronin to get the job. They are giving that endorsement because they have heard from others around the league who were in trade meetings and privy to player evaluations. Want to know why Portland got so little in return for those players who were in the starting lineup? The rest of the league didn’t value them, certainly not to the level of their salary. Among the cap brainiacs and the talent evaluators around the NBA, Cronin is being celebrated.

https://theathletic.com/3124446/202...t-trade-deadline-depends-on-your-expectation/
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I mean..... RoCo is an expiring lol. And he is still a serviceable player.

CJ was massively overpaid. I don't think anyone would argue that.

I will die on the hill that Norm was paid fairly and he's still a very good starter.
 
We might need a "give Cronin a raise" thread before this is all said and done.
 
For the people bitching that RoCo had value; on a team without Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, he played 10 minutes off the bench last game. And tonight in a game that Norm didn’t even play, he played 11 minutes off the bench.

He was a bench player on an expiring contract. No team was going to give up any assets for him. If they wanted him, they can just sign him in the offseason for free.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I mean..... RoCo is an expiring lol. And he is still a serviceable player.

CJ was massively overpaid. I don't think anyone would argue that.

I will die on the hill that Norm was paid fairly and he's still a very good starter.
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Norm wasn't paid unfairly. His contract is just too long. If he only had 2 years left we would have gotten a far better haul.
 
HailBlazers said:
I'll trust Masai's judgement, Norm is good - not great. But we should have gotten a pick back.
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Like 1st round? Who was going to give us a pick for him? I think if we could have gotten a pick we would have.
 
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OneSport3 said:
For the people bitching that RoCo had value; on a team without Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, he played 10 minutes off the bench last game. And tonight in a game that Norm didn’t even play, he played 11 minutes off the bench.

He was a bench player on an expiring contract. No team was going to give up any assets for him. If they wanted him, they can just sign him in the offseason for free.
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They won tonight too. They’re 0-3 when Norm plays.
 
OneSport3 said:
For the people bitching that RoCo had value; on a team without Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, he played 10 minutes off the bench last game. And tonight in a game that Norm didn’t even play, he played 11 minutes off the bench.

He was a bench player on an expiring contract. No team was going to give up any assets for him. If they wanted him, they can just sign him in the offseason for free.
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Covington is going to sign up to play for free? Is that even allowed? Who can we get for free?
 
Is this indicative of the people who hated the trade and the people who now love the trade? :lol:

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