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Titan said:
Just fire the guy. If the plan is to build around Dame 1 more time, hire a veteran GM. Same thing if you want to draft and go young. We need someone that knows how to run a team and not a cap guy like Joe (I think he was more of a cap guy, not sure).
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No veteran GM better than Cronin will take the job. Why would they?
 
Phatguysrule said:
No veteran GM better than Cronin will take the job. Why would they?
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It doesn't have to be a veteran GM but there are some that aren't employed right now that could do a way better job. You can easily get assistant GMs from the Spurs, you could get whoever the assistant GM is from the Suns, the Bucks, the Grizz. This is 1 of 30 NBA GM jobs in the world, the list of qualified applicants isn't the problem. The ownership just needs to make a smart decision, nothing cute just a solid decision. Hell you could probably get a pretty good current GM that has a President of Basketball Ops if you offered them that gig and said they could hire their own GM and front office because I wouldn't mind letting all of these people walk that have been complicit in Neil and Joe's debauchery.

There are a ton of people who have seen how easy it was to convince Vulcan to do bad moves that they know if they got the chance they would have the keys to the kingdom and not get good moves turned down.
 
It was clear as hell that there was a fire sale in Portland at the deadline and other GM’s took advantage of the interim guy who’s wet behind the ears.

I say we blow it up. Keep Simons and Little and our draft pick. We really don’t have much in trade bait except Lillard who could net back a haul. But I’d trust another GM to do that
 
blazerkor said:
It doesn't have to be a veteran GM but there are some that aren't employed right now that could do a way better job. You can easily get assistant GMs from the Spurs, you could get whoever the assistant GM is from the Suns, the Bucks, the Grizz. This is 1 of 30 NBA GM jobs in the world, the list of qualified applicants isn't the problem. The ownership just needs to make a smart decision, nothing cute just a solid decision. Hell you could probably get a pretty good current GM that has a President of Basketball Ops if you offered them that gig and said they could hire their own GM and front office because I wouldn't mind letting all of these people walk that have been complicit in Neil and Joe's debauchery.

There are a ton of people who have seen how easy it was to convince Vulcan to do bad moves that they know if they got the chance they would have the keys to the kingdom and not get good moves turned down.
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Heh heh. I don't think that's going to happen. Nobody this ownership group would bring in would be any better. And any assistant GM worth his salt would pass on this job until we get ownership figured out. The job is only 18 months and then you will be fired when the new owner brings their pres and GM in.

We're stuck with Cronin until we get new owners.
 
MickZagger said:
It was clear as hell that there was a fire sale in Portland at the deadline and other GM’s took advantage of the interim guy who’s wet behind the ears.

I say we blow it up. Keep Simons and Little and our draft pick. We really don’t have much in trade bait except Lillard who could net back a haul. But I’d trust another GM to do that
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I agree, except why keep Little? He will never stay healthy long enough to be a difference maker.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Heh heh. I don't think that's going to happen. Nobody this ownership group would bring in would be any better. And any assistant GM worth his salt would pass on this job until we get ownership figured out. The job is only 18 months and then you will be fired when the new owner brings their pres and GM in.

We're stuck with Cronin until we get new owners.
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I don't think they can stay with Cronin, he's fucked up too badly but I guess we'll see.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think they can stay with Cronin, he's fucked up too badly but I guess we'll see.
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A new owner won't care about that. You don't buy an NBA team for the next year or two. They'll want to build their own thing ASAP. The more experienced people here the longer that will take.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No veteran GM better than Cronin will take the job. Why would they?
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There are plenty that would take the job. The point is the team needs someone with experience and/or is someone that is actually being groomed to be a lead GM. Figuring out what is best move(s) for the team should not be decided by a greenhorn. Plenty of legit assistance that would love to take the job because it’s still a dream job. You can tell Cronin doesn’t have “it”.
 
The anatomy of a bad trade:

Cronin: We have a guy who can't get to his full potential because our previous GM decided to put 2 similar players together that can't be all they can be when they are on the floor together. When this guy gets his own team, he will likely be even better and play at or near an all-star level.

Langdon: Perfect, that sound like just what we want. We have a number of young players on cheap contracts, but we will only give you the absolute worst out of all of them, and will make sure there is no size involved. I would imagine you also want a 1st round pick with that.

Cronin: That sounds perfect. But I'd like it if this trade works out for you and makes you better, that we get less and less in return. Please make sure that if you get better, we get screwed, and throw on some contingency protection for yourself as well for both now and in the future. Make sure not to include other assets that would replace that pick this year if it doesn't convey, and instead, give us a crappy pick way down the road when Dame will be turning 35.

Langdon: Okay, if you insist.
 
TBpup said:
The anatomy of a bad trade:

Cronin: We have a guy who can't get to his full potential because our previous GM decided to put 2 similar players together that can't be all they can be when they are on the floor together. When this guy gets his own team, he will likely be even better and play at or near an all-star level.

Langdon: Perfect, that sound like just what we want. We have a number of young players on cheap contracts, but we will only give you the absolute worst out of all of them, and will make sure there is no size involved. I would imagine you also want a 1st round pick with that.

Cronin: That sounds perfect. But I'd like it if this trade works out for you and makes you better, that we get less and less in return. Please make sure that if you get better, we get screwed, and throw on some contingency protection for yourself as well for both now and in the future. Make sure not to include other assets that would replace that pick this year if it doesn't convey, and instead, give us a crappy pick way down the road when Dame will be turning 35.

Langdon: Okay, if you insist.
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Stahhhpppp. You have no right to criticize the trade because you don't know all the conversations had and it was obviously the best deal we could have had because I just know.

Stop thinking we could have gotten a star player.

Sheesh.
 
They have obviously interviewed or have candidates in the wings that have experience and one probable criteria was making trades.
If you give someone the tag interim, its means just that, until they find someone else, or that person has earned a shot at the position.
I would say no later than Tuesday either Jody and/or Kolde will either give Joe a vote of confidence and remove interim, or comment that a search continues, or even announce a new GM.
They cannot let it linger. I guess?
 
Maybe since so many love the game of tanking and the synergy behind it, could they decide too, Oh hell, lets tank one more year, but no more after that?
We did well at it....
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Never Tank!
Bad culture and bad Ju Ju.
Very rarely works out well.
Always play to win.
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In a very semantic post I'm about to make:

The players did play to win. They just weren't good enough, and that was set up by the ownership, who technically does not play.

Yeah Strenuus! Yeah semantics!
 
Hoopguru said:
Maybe since so many love the game of tanking and the synergy behind it, could they decide to, Oh hell, lets tank one more year, but no more after that?
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I say we tank until 2025 and couple our own pick with the Bucks’ pick at #23!
 
It's a hiccup for sure, but it ain't the end. Blazers still have a ton of flexibility, cap space, and their lottery pick. Teams will be looking to unload high salary talent to retool as well. John Collins could be on the move. Detroit needs to move Grant to truly start their youth movement. I'm not bailing the Pistons out by giving up too much. I like Grant as a role player, but he's not the be all , end all. The Blazers don't need to sell out to get him. If the Blazers are going to pay high for someone, it's Collins, not Grant. For what ever reason, Young fell in love with big lumox , Clint Can't Playa. Collins needs a change of scenery, and Hawks management seems willing to listen.
 
tykendo said:
It's a hiccup for sure, but it ain't the end. Blazers still have a ton of flexibility, cap space, and their lottery pick. Teams will be looking to unload high salary talent to retool as well. John Collins could be on the move. Detroit needs to move Grant to truly start their youth movement. I'm not bailing the Pistons out by giving up too much. I like Grant as a role player, but he's not the be all , end all. The Blazers don't need to sell out to get him. If the Blazers are going to pay high for someone, it's Collins, not Grant. For what ever reason, Young fell in love with big lumox , Clint Can't Playa. Collins needs a change of scenery, and Hawks management seems willing to listen.
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Cool. So we trade our lotto pick for Collins. That wouldn't make us contenders.
 
tykendo said:
If the Blazers don't get the chance to draft Smith, Banchero, or Murray, i can think of worse outcomes.
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If we don't get the chance to draft Smith or Banchero, or trade for an actual star to put next to Dame, trade Dame and start over.
 
Titan said:
There are plenty that would take the job. The point is the team needs someone with experience and/or is someone that is actually being groomed to be a lead GM. Figuring out what is best move(s) for the team should not be decided by a greenhorn. Plenty of legit assistance that would love to take the job because it’s still a dream job. You can tell Cronin doesn’t have “it”.
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We'll see. I don't think it'll happen.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think they can stay with Cronin, he's fucked up too badly but I guess we'll see.
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you're making a giant assumption; that being that the Vulcans think Cronin fucked up "too badly"

my assumption is that the Vulcans set the priorities and the #1 priority was to dramatically reduce current and future payroll. Cronin did that. He even secured a solid opportunity for another lottery pick, but the historical collapse of the Lakers and PG13's Covid + Kennard's injury helped the Pels negotiate to a bad outcome for Portland. I would not be surprised, at all, if the Vulcans were happy enough with Cronin's payroll savings that they forgave the rare confluence of events that jobbed the Blazers out of that draft pick

besides all that, even if the Clippers had won last night, with Portland's luck, the Pels would have jumped into the top-4 pushing Portland to #7. As it is, the Laker's pick will probably do that
 
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