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[Tince]

Lillard is more comparable to Paul Pierce than Lebron James.

I can't prove or disprove this. I'm not even sure how Dame is comparable to either one of them. I will be shocked if 32 year old Dame goes for 18pts/4asts this season like Pierce did at age 32. I'm guessing it'll be much closer to LBJ's 26/9... but again, the comparison is a weird one either way.

Regardless. Pierce won a title 3 years after his supposed peak.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can you imagine some GM saying "we should trade Lebron, he's 29, past his peak, and we could rebuild quicker w/out him." Only to watch him be an All-NBA talent for another decade, while they drafted Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and Tyus Jones with their furture 1st round picks.

Buddy, I’m not going to explain the difference between 29 year old LeBron James and 32 year old Damian Lillard.

 

[Tince]

Buddy, I’m not going to explain the difference between 29 year old LeBron James and 32 year old Damian Lillard.

No need.... You also don't need to explain the difference between Dame and a lottery pick because that gap is even more significant.

The theory that after the age of 27 teams should think about moving on from their HOF player is a bit silly, don't you think?

 

[HailBlazers]

Buddy, I’m not going to explain the difference between 29 year old LeBron James and 32 year old Damian Lillard.

What defines clutch? The word "clutch" might be the most misunderstood in pro basketball.

 

[Natebishop3]

No need.... You also don't need to explain the difference between Dame and a lottery pick because that gap is even more significant.

The theory that after the age of 27 teams should think about moving on from their HOF player is a bit silly, don't you think?

Since we are dealing in hypotheticals, you wouldn’t trade Damian Lillard for rookie LeBron?

Personally I don’t think it applies to all teams. I think it applies to our shitty team.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

No need.... You also don't need to explain the difference between Dame and a lottery pick because that gap is even more significant.

The theory that after the age of 27 teams should think about moving on from their HOF player is a bit silly, don't you think?

Age of 27? Yes.

Age of 32 and minimal assets and not nearly enough talent to get to contender status for support of said player? Not so much.

 

[Tince]

Since we are dealing in hypotheticals, you wouldn’t trade Damian Lillard for rookie LeBron?

Personally I don’t think it applies to all teams. I think it applies to our shitty team.

Yes I would. Likewise, would you trade Dame for Anthony Bennett? No? Glad we cleared that up!

 

[Tince]

Age of 27? Yes.

Age of 32 and minimal assets and not nearly enough talent to get to contender status for support of said player? Not so much.

Propose the minimum amount you would take back for Dame, I'm curious.

I would 100% trade Dame, but not in a deal where the main return is future draft picks.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Propose the minimum amount you would take back for Dame, I'm curious.

I would 100% trade Dame, but not in a deal where the main return is future draft picks.

Jaylen Brown and picks. Scottie Barnes and Fred Van Vleet (move him for picks from someone else).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The theory that after the age of 27 teams should think about moving on from their HOF player is a bit silly, don't you think?

Nobody said this.

 

[Tince]

Jaylen Brown and picks. Scottie Barnes and Fred Van Vleet (move him for picks from someone else).

That's not horrible. I probably won't do it, but I think you hit a trade that neither side does, which means it's probably fair!

The fact that you're getting an all-star in return, plus picks is very reasonable.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Propose the minimum amount you would take back for Dame, I'm curious.

I would 100% trade Dame, but not in a deal where the main return is future draft picks.

What the Pelicans got for Anthony Davis or what the Thunder got for Paul George are the type of deals I'd hope for.

Dame might not have quite that value. But he should have more than what the Pelicans got for Jrue.

The Blazers shouldn't be in a rush to trade Dame. They can sit back and wait for great offers to come in. Wait until some team gets desperate. Maybe Dame getting healthy and showing that on the court first will help.

But when the Blazers have no realistic way to contend soon they don't need to hold an aging Dame as 100% untouchable as some fans do. At least if their primary goal is to win titles.

 

[Natebishop3]

What the Pelicans got for Anthony Davis or what the Thunder got for Paul George are the type of deals I'd hope for.

Dame might not have quite that value. But he should have more than what the Pelicans got for Jrue.

The Blazers shouldn't be in a rush to trade Dame. They can sit back and wait for great offers to come in. Wait until some team gets desperate. Maybe Dame getting healthy and showing that on the court first will help.

But when the Blazers have no realistic way to contend soon they don't need to hold an aging Dame as 100% untouchable as some fans do. At least if their primary goal is to win titles.

And I don’t want to see them make a bunch of desperate trades to try to win with Dame.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

And I don’t want to see them make a bunch of desperate trades to try to win with Dame.

This is what most concerns me. It would be even worse than Roco/Nance trades. At least with those moves we had the talent to do something such as flip CJ for a forward upgrade and possibly contend. This current roster isn't close.

 

[Natebishop3]

This is what most concerns me. It would be even worse than Roco/Nance trades. At least with those moves we had the talent to do something such as flip CJ for a forward upgrade and possibly contend. This current roster isn't close.

It’s like we’re back to 2016 only Dame is older and we have a shorter window.

 

[Tince]

What the Pelicans got for Anthony Davis or what the Thunder got for Paul George are the type of deals I'd hope for.

Dame might not have quite that value. But he should have more than what the Pelicans got for Jrue.

The Blazers shouldn't be in a rush to trade Dame. They can sit back and wait for great offers to come in. Wait until some team gets desperate. Maybe Dame getting healthy and showing that on the court first will help.

But when the Blazers have no realistic way to contend soon they don't need to hold an aging Dame as 100% untouchable as some fans do. At least if their primary goal is to win titles.

NOP got good value for Davis. If we could get 3 young players, two of them high end starters, plus 3 draft picks for Dame, I would do that deal.

I'm trying to think of what win now team would have the assets to make such a move and are ready to win now. Golden St (would they want Dame/Steph?) could deal Poole, Wiseman, etc. Boston? Miami?

 

[Tince]

And I don’t want to see them make a bunch of desperate trades to try to win with Dame.

I agree with this. No desperate trades to try and win now or rebuild. Got to make sound moves, in either direction.

 

[TBpup]

Can you imagine some GM saying "we should trade Lebron, he's 29, past his peak, and we could rebuild quicker w/out him." Only to watch him be an All-NBA talent for another decade, while they drafted Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and Tyus Jones with their furture 1st round picks.

If LeBron was a month away from 32 like Dame is, and had never won a Conference Finals playoff game, it would at least be something to consider. Since that isn't even close to what happened in LeBron's career, it's somewhat of a mute point.

 

[Tince]

If LeBron was a month away from 32 like Dame is, and had never won a Conference Finals playoff game, it would at least be something to consider. Since that isn't even close to what happened in LeBron's career, it's somewhat of a mute point.

I'm fine with people considering trading Dame. I would trade Dame for the right package. I wouldn't trade Dame for a blind, draft pick rebuild, in hopes those picks turn into 1-2 stars.

I don't subscribe to the team success as an evaluation of how good/bad Dame is like you seem to be. Name the last franchise to have a player as good as Dame for 8+ years who never paired him with a better #2 than CJ. The Blazers lack of post-season success has little to do with Dame and a lot more to do with the roster construction since 2016.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm fine with people considering trading Dame. I would trade Dame for the right package. I wouldn't trade Dame for a blind, draft pick rebuild, in hopes those picks turn into 1-2 stars.

I don't subscribe to the team success as an evaluation of how good/bad Dame is like you seem to be. Name the last franchise to have a player as good as Dame for 8+ years who never paired him with a better #2 than CJ. The Blazers lack of post-season success has little to do with Dame and a lot more to do with the roster construction since 2016.

Who was proposing that?

 

[STOMP]

I would 100% trade Dame, but not in a deal where the main return is future draft picks.

Not all drafts are the same. Last year most of the top 10 picks already look solid to great... much like it was expected. Other years, not so much. You don't trade a major asset like Dame who means so much to the fanbase for random picks. You move him for picks in a draft (or two) that you and your trusted evaluators believe in.

I believe in this draft. If I could get a top 6 (+ salary fodder) in 2022 and a future #1, done. OKC's 2 top 2022 picks, sign me up yesterday.

STOMP

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm fine with people considering trading Dame. I would trade Dame for the right package. I wouldn't trade Dame for a blind, draft pick rebuild, in hopes those picks turn into 1-2 stars.

I don't subscribe to the team success as an evaluation of how good/bad Dame is like you seem to be. Name the last franchise to have a player as good as Dame for 8+ years who never paired him with a better #2 than CJ. The Blazers lack of post-season success has little to do with Dame and a lot more to do with the roster construction since 2016.

Just having a player be the star of a team for 8+ years on its own is rare. Golden State and Portland are the only current NBA teams that have this.

Its so odd how that happens, its almost as if NBA players peak at a very young age like 27 or something.

 

[Freshtown]

Listen to Duncan’s eval of sharpe:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7z...&context=spotify:collection:podcasts:episodes

 

[STOMP]

I can't prove or disprove this. I'm not even sure how Dame is comparable to either one of them. I will be shocked if 32 year old Dame goes for 18pts/4asts this season like Pierce did at age 32. I'm guessing it'll be much closer to LBJ's 26/9... but again, the comparison is a weird one either way.

Regardless. Pierce won a title 3 years after his supposed peak.

Pierce with 2 other guys from the top 75 team and a 21 year old savant named Rondo running the show. Agreed thats a weird comparison, but if Dame was in a situation resembling that right now, even as a ball dominant lead his stats wouldn't be expected to be nearly as gaudy

STOMP

 

[blazerfan11]

Have as good of a year for Dame and the Blazers as possible

Not all drafts are the same. Last year most of the top 10 picks already look solid to great... much like it was expected. Other years, not so much. You don't trade a major asset like Dame who means so much to the fanbase for random picks. You move him for picks in a draft (or two) that you and your trusted evaluators believe in.

I believe in this draft. If I could get a top 6 (+ salary fodder) in 2022 and a future #1, done. OKC's 2 top 2022 picks, sign me up yesterday.

STOMP

OKC's #2 and #12? and our #7? That would be interesting.

 

[blazerfan11]

Listen to Duncan’s eval of sharpe:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7zCByjn66nwmDgZKZsCKex?si=_oGc4KmqRyekrBdN_CyfGA&t=995&context=spotify:collectionodcasts:episodes

It's better to compare Jabari Smith to a taller Klay Thompson. no need to use Rashard Lewis.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Cronin will start to build trust from most of the fanbase if he keeps this pick.

Building through the draft is the only way to go for this market.

 

[LayneStaley]

Have as good of a year for Dame and the Blazers as possible

OKC's #2 and #12? and our #7? That would be interesting.

Yeah I’d do it in a second. 2-Smith, 7-Sharpe, 12-Duren

Ant
Sharpe
Nas
Smith
Duren

 

[Tince]

Who was proposing that?

I felt certain people were suggesting this, which is why I asked them to provide an example of what their minimum return is for Dame, that way I'm not assuming.

 

[Tince]

Not all drafts are the same. Last year most of the top 10 picks already look solid to great... much like it was expected. Other years, not so much. You don't trade a major asset like Dame who means so much to the fanbase for random picks. You move him for picks in a draft (or two) that you and your trusted evaluators believe in.

I believe in this draft. If I could get a top 6 (+ salary fodder) in 2022 and a future #1, done. OKC's 2 top 2022 picks, sign me up yesterday.

STOMP

100% agree every draft is different. I think it's somewhat difficult to project the quality of a draft more than 2 years away for various reasons.

Who do you specifically love in this draft?