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With 3 timeouts left, he leaves Collins in on offense when it's 94-91, under 2 minutes. That's where YOU HAVE TO GO OFFENSE for defense AND SUB COLLINS OUT OF THE GAME. Any coach with half a brain knows this. Instead Collins gets fouled, misses two free throws badly and that's basically the game. I'm not sure why Kidd felt he had to pass to Collins. Collins was open, but of course Minny was leaving him open. Yes, the Nets choked this away as a team, too, but those two missed free throws were huge. And Collins shouldn't have been on the court. How can a NBA coach not realize this? They had 3 timeouts!! But the Nets coach is an imbecile. A moron. If he's not fired after this, he's never getting fired. What an embarassment this franchise is becoming (again).
 
No I think this has gone beyond just firing Lawrence Frank. Kidd really has to go; he looks like he could careless whether the Nets win or not. That's just not good. Maybe firing Frank a month ago could of saved this franchise, but at this point, it would just be step 1.
 
You can't blame it on him.

I don't like him, I don't think he is as good a coach as some people here think he is but its not his fault. The team is just flawed, the pieces don't mesh.

You wanna fire someone, fire the guy who put it together.
 
If Frank gets fired but Thorn gets to keep his job, that is a bunch of bullshit.
 
He also had Collins in the game on the last play where they were going for a 3.
 
I watched the game with my friend. He doesn't follow the Nets, but when he saw the game, he couldn't agree more that Frank was making mistakes. Sean should have been in there in the last 3 minutes. He leaves Collins in, takes him out puts Sean in, takes Sean out and puts Collins in (who missed the free throws) and then takes him out and puts Sean in again. Huh?
 
Phoenix Coyotes gaves Wayne Gretzky full control over matters and coaching. We should try that with Micheal Jordan if he takes the offer and leaves Charlotte.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Jan 27 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't blame it on him.

I don't like him, I don't think he is as good a coach as some people here think he is but its not his fault. The team is just flawed, the pieces don't mesh.

You wanna fire someone, fire the guy who put it together.</div>
I've got no problem with Rod getting canned, too, but step 1 is Frank. He shouldn't even be allowed on the plane back. I'm sick of him. Sick of hearing him yell out plays like some know-it-all, when he's not able to make in-game adjustments, or proper substitutions. He is an awful coach. There is absolutely, unequivically no defense for having Collins on offense in that situation. The worst part is that I continue to watch this team. Really, we are all just asking for it. Watching this team will just ruin your day.
 
Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 27 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required</div>

That is CLEARLY the GM.

If Frank gets canned, too, that's fine. A fresh start would be welcome and the new GM should get to pick his own coach.

But Thorn better get it first because he has completely and utterly failed at his job.
 
I wrote this in the Denver game thread:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One thing I don't understand is when Kleiza made a 3 pointer with 1:46 to go to give the Nuggest 10 point lead why do the Nets take 20+ seconds to come back and get up a shot? Your down 10 and you need some quick scores to attempt a last effort comeback and they play the game like it was a tie game or something. My head hurts so much right now.</div>

Well, today the Nets were up 7 points with 1:19 to go and the Wolves called a timeout. They inbound the ball and within 4 seconds they attempt and make a three. 4 point game. Collins misses two free throws and the Wolves brings the ball up the floor and make another 3 with 9 seconds left on the shotclock to bring it to 1 with like 40s left. The Wolves actually looked for quick scores and 3 pointers to make a desperation comeback which paid off. But for some reason the Nets don't play with that kind of urgency when they are down or in general.

And they when they do have a decent lead they don't really look to bury the other team and let teams hang around when they should be extending the lead.
 
So Collins is (indirectly) blamed for the loss. How surprising. How about the fact that Jason Kidd doesn't give a shit and there is no bench?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 27 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wrote this in the Denver game thread:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One thing I don't understand is when Kleiza made a 3 pointer with 1:46 to go to give the Nuggest 10 point lead why do the Nets take 20+ seconds to come back and get up a shot? Your down 10 and you need some quick scores to attempt a last effort comeback and they play the game like it was a tie game or something. My head hurts so much right now.</div>

Well, today the Nets were up 7 points with 1:19 to go and the Wolves called a timeout. They inbound the ball and within 4 seconds they attempt and make a three. 4 point game. Collins misses two free throws and the Wolves brings the ball up the floor and make another 3 with 9 seconds left on the shotclock to bring it to 1 with like 40s left. The Wolves actually looked for quick scores and 3 pointers to make a desperation comeback which paid off. But for some reason the Nets don't play with that kind of urgency when they are down or in general.

And they when they do have a decent lead they don't really look to bury the other team and let teams hang around when they should be extending the lead.
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Nets are too busy trying to set up Collins on a pick and roll to the basket. They are trying to get his scoring average back up. Nothing is more important than that. Except Frank's ability to call out an opposing team's play. He's a mastermind that cannot be stopped. He can actually see a play develop and yell it out. It doesn't matter that he doesn't know how to get his team to stop it. All that matters is that He SEES IT COMING.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 27 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Collins is (indirectly) blamed for the loss. How surprising. How about the fact that Jason Kidd doesn't give a shit and there is no bench?</div>
Dumpy, yes or no question for you. Was leaving Collins in the game on offense a good move? Yes or no? Kidd at least hit 3 big 3s when they needed them and came up with a couple of steals and loose balls.
 
I think it all depends on if this is Thorn's last year or not...if it is than I think he will keep Frank and let the next team president (kiki) make the decision on the next coach...however if he feels like staying past this season I think he will in fact need to fire Frank.

As for the big three...I don't think RJ is going anywhere as he is still young and will most likely play at a high level for the remainder of his contract...not saying he's untouchable just saying he wouldn't be part of a firesale.

As for Carter I think he's here for at least the rest of the season...now come this offseason I think he may attractive especially if he gets healthier as the season progresses...otherwise we will probably wait til next seasons trade deadline.

Kidd should be traded...it is apparent this combination of players doesnt work and I think that his value being as high as it is and his contract being as high as it is it would be a solid move to get some youth and expiring contract and a first rounder for him. A Kidd trade could make us younger deeper and give us more cap room to invest in our bench which is horrible.
 
question is, who replaces Frank? Hill? Cartwright? (remember, Cartwright was to be the coach of Kings but he turned it down) . Neither?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 27 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>question is, who replaces Frank? Hill? Cartwright? (remember, Cartwright was to be the coach of Kings but he turned it down) . Neither?</div>
I hear good things about this New Orleans coach. Maybe we can lure him away??


I'd go with Hill. Or honestly, anyone else. Anyone. Carlysle. Louie Carnesseca, anyone. I'm available, Rod!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jan 27 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 27 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Collins is (indirectly) blamed for the loss. How surprising. How about the fact that Jason Kidd doesn't give a shit and there is no bench?</div>
Dumpy, yes or no question for you. Was leaving Collins in the game on offense a good move? Yes or no? Kidd at least hit 3 big 3s when they needed them and came up with a couple of steals and loose balls.
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First of all, it is irrelevant, because the Nets were going to lose this game regardless of what Frank did.

Forgetting that, I am totally indifferent. Yes, Collins can't score or hit free throws. However, as has been discussed many times over the past few years, there are other ways to contribute to offense, and historically the unit of Kidd-Carter-RJ-Collins has played pretty well together. I haven't looked at the stats, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Carter just does better when he is on the floor with Collins. Your front court starters consist of a rookie and a second-year guy who played sparingly as a rookie. You don't think that's a reason the team sucks? How often is a team successful with a starting frontcourt with a total of about 30 games of experience? Collins knows what to do and his role in the offense. How many offensive rebounds did Al Jefferson have today? How many were when Collins was in the game? Collins helps create space for RJ and Carter. Why not blame Kidd for passing him the ball?

Besides, what is the alternative? Putting in Boone? Wow, now there's a free-throw shooting machine. Why Bob Thate--the alleged "shooting" coach--doesn't receive any wrath is beyond me. This is the worst shooting team in recent NBA history.
 
If we decide to rebuild than I think maybe a coach like Phil Webber from Phoenix or Mario Ellie of Dallas...if we chose to promote from our current assistants than Brian Hill would get the nod.
 
Think we could get hooked up with Samuel L. Jackson? He did a pretty damn good job in Coach Carter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 28 2008, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Think we could get hooked up with Samuel L. Jackson? He did a pretty damn good job in Coach Carter.</div>
"I'm tired of these motherfuckin players on this motherfuckin team!"
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 28 2008, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 28 2008, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Think we could get hooked up with Samuel L. Jackson? He did a pretty damn good job in Coach Carter.</div>
"I'm tired of these motherfuckin players on this motherfuckin team!"
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Tate must be Franks brother-in-law (and he told him just act like you are a shooting coach and you know what you're doing. That's what I do!), Frank is Thorn's son-in-law, and Thorn is blackmailing Ratner. This is the only reason I can come up with that any of these people have a job. Look at the players Thorn signed this summer - Maglore, Allen, and Armstrong, all 3 of them are old. He did not even try to improve this team. The only good thing that happened for us was Sean, and he still has a lot of learning to do. I think Thorn doesn't care what happens to this team until we move to Brooklyn and then he thinks he is going to put together the great team. His pride won't let him admit that extending Frank's contract was a big mistake. I think our first move should be to fire the entire coaching staff, except for Hill because he just came back. I don't think they should give Hill the coaching job because he has not done will as a head coach. We need a coach who is a defense specialist. No one on our coaching staff has passed defense 101. One requirement for this new coach should be that he has at least played basketball before, even if was just college.
 
I would like to see laiimbeer get a chance to coach this team.

mark jackson too!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 27 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 27 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required</div>

That is CLEARLY the GM.

If Frank gets canned, too, that's fine. A fresh start would be welcome and the new GM should get to pick his own coach.

But Thorn better get it first because he has completely and utterly failed at his job.
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I agree.

But shouldn't we also blame the owner who 1) has accepted the team's fall into mediocrity and 2) has handcuffed any potential moves or intelligent bargaining tactics because of his love affair with the team's stars.

I think he's doing a great thing moving the team to Brooklyn (although I hate that he's stealing the taxpayer's money to do it) but that just makes him an intelligent real estate and buisiness executive. I don't think he has any idea how to prioritize the issues that confront a basketball team - he's Donald Sterling-esque in this respect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 28 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 27 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 27 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required</div>

That is CLEARLY the GM.

If Frank gets canned, too, that's fine. A fresh start would be welcome and the new GM should get to pick his own coach.

But Thorn better get it first because he has completely and utterly failed at his job.
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I agree.

But shouldn't we also blame the owner who 1) has accepted the team's fall into mediocrity and 2) has handcuffed any potential moves or intelligent bargaining tactics because of his love affair with the team's stars.

I think he's doing a great thing moving the team to Brooklyn (although I hate that he's stealing the taxpayer's money to do it) but that just makes him an intelligent real estate and buisiness executive. I don't think he has any idea how to prioritize the issues that confront a basketball team - he's Donald Sterling-esque in this respect.
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I think it would have be a good buisiness move (with this team) if it were to a city that did not have a NBA team. The Knicks have loyal fans that are going to stick by them even if they are losing. He can't even fill IZOD. When we play the Knicks at home we have more NY fans than Nets fans. A lot of the NJ fans I've talked to are angry they are taking our team. Not many plan on going to Brooklyn. The only way NJ fans are going to follow is if we win a ship or at least the east.
 
I like Frank, I really do but it's becoming apparent to me that he's the problem. This team has too much talent to lose games like this. I also keep hearing that thorn was waiting for Krstic and Marcus to come back. Well they are nice players but they are not going to be saviors. I think Frank works hard and provides a good analysis of the games. I probably wouldn't mind him as an assistant coach but it seems like he micromanages every play of every game....always barking out instructions. Sooner or later the players will disregard him. Couple that with bad decisions this year such as taking a month or 2 to finally start playing sean and boone. I mean, sean had an 8 block game against the kings and then we didn't see him for the next 2 weeks. What the hell was that? magliore isn't playing either...he left collins in the game instead of Sean Williams against NO and paul comes right down the lane for a layup.

I can't blame Thorn. I think he has put together a good roster. His hands are probably tied because of salary issues. That might also play into why they are backing Frank. Didn't he just get a contract extension? maybe they don't want to pay that on top of paying his replacement once he's fired.
 
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