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Tince said:
The question is: will it be an assest in 4 months?

Powell doesn't make us a contender and if he signs elsewhere this summer, we'll have nothing to show for it.
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Powell is not an asset he is a rental or someone we have to re-sign. An asset is a pick or a player with a contract of value.
 
Mediocre Man said:
We own Powell’s Bird rights
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Sure, but we at least had leverage for a sign-and-trade with Trent. We have zero leverage with Powell. And I think they'll get similar offers. So are we going to pay him a bunch of money to come off the bench?
 
blazerkor said:
Powell is not an asset he is a rental or someone we have to re-sign. An asset is a pick or a player with a contract of value.
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Trent was the asset. He was a second round pick that became an asset for a trade. Powell may or may not be a blazer for long but he could be a candidate to replace CJ down the road.
 
blazerkor said:
Powell is not an asset he is a rental or someone we have to re-sign. An asset is a pick or a player with a contract of value.
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Powell's contract situation is not materially different that GTJs and Hoods.
He is a better player though - which should give us some options in the summer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, but we at least had leverage for a sign-and-trade with Trent. We have zero leverage with Powell. And I think they'll get similar offers. So are we going to pay him a bunch of money to come off the bench?
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How is that any different than GTJ?

I get that he's not restricted... but it's not a big enough issue to be upset about.
 
tester551 said:
How is that any different than GTJ?

I get that he's not restricted... but it's not a big enough issue to be upset about.
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Having the RFA chip makes a huge difference. Firstly, if teams think you'll match, they're less likely to make an offer. It also means we can at least potentially squeeze a sign-and- trade out of it. We would still be in the drivers seat. With Powell we're not in the drivers seat. We're barely in the car. He can just leave if he wants to. Teams can offer whatever they want and he could just choose to bail. There's still a chance of a sign-and-trade but we have much less leverage to get something out of it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Having the RFA chip makes a huge difference. Firstly, if teams think you'll match, they're less likely to make an offer.
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If fans here are certain that Portland isn't going to go into the luxury tax, what makes you think other GMs are less informed?

The reality is that Portland should have been letting Trent walk--he's almost certainly not going to be worth his best offer. So I don't really feel Portland has lost anything long term. For this season, Portland is better and if Portland surprisingly decides to shell out for Powell and go into the luxury tax, Powell is actually worth it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Having the RFA chip makes a huge difference. Firstly, if teams think you'll match, they're less likely to make an offer. It also means we can at least potentially squeeze a sign-and- trade out of it. We would still be in the drivers seat. With Powell we're not in the drivers seat. We're barely in the car. He can just leave if he wants to. Teams can offer whatever they want and he could just choose to bail. There's still a chance of a sign-and-trade but we have much less leverage to get something out of it.
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Depends on the market. This summer, there will only be 3-4 teams that are projected to have cap space. That means 80%+ of the market CANNOT offer more than the MLE to Powell without a S&T. I'd much rather have the significantly better player than have the RFA status on a player in that situation.

The teams with cap space will likely be NYK, Spurs, OKC, Chicago, and Charlotte. The Spurs or Chicago might be risks with Powell, but I doubt it.
 
Minstrel said:
If fans here are certain that Portland isn't going to go into the luxury tax, what makes you think other GMs are less informed?
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It's hard to keep up these days...... some people think we're all clueless because we're not currently on an NBA payroll, others think we're the subject matter experts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I have come to the conclusion that whatever I post, Minstrel will disagree with me.

I'm wondering what else I can post that will get him to disagree.

The Earth is round.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's hard to keep up these days...... some people think we're all clueless because we're not currently on an NBA payroll, others think we're the subject matter experts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I didn't say we're subject matter experts--my point is that information available to fans is obviously available to GMs.
 
Minstrel said:
I didn't say we're subject matter experts--my point is that information available to fans is obviously available to GMs.
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I have come to the conclusion that whatever I post, Minstrel will disagree with me.
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Just an illusion--I tend to post responses much more often when I disagree than when I agree, because what should I say when I agree? "Yeah, that!!!!" So you only notice my disagreement posts and not my agreeing non-responses lol
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's hard to keep up these days...... some people think we're all clueless because we're not currently on an NBA payroll, others think we're the subject matter experts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I have come to the conclusion that whatever I post, Minstrel will disagree with me.

I'm wondering what else I can post that will get him to disagree.

The Earth is round.
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Nope. Oblate spheroid.

Next.
 
wizenheimer said:
I have information I hide behind a GM's-must-paywall
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I said information available to fans...not information available from fans. Your proprietary statistics and systems fall into the second category.
 
"The Blazers, of course, have every incentive to retain their newly acquired wing. They sacrificed the right to match any of Trent's offer sheets in restricted free agency, betting that their on-court success and Lillard-driven locker room will urge Powell to stay put even as an unrestricted free agent.

"Knowing what Portland gave up and how many suitors there were, I think he's the most interesting guy on the market," said another Western Conference team official.

The success of this latest iteration of the Blazers' experiment will undoubtedly set the tone for how Powell moves forward. Over a dozen teams maintained a dialogue with Toronto up until the final hours before the trade deadline, league sources said. (Brooklyn was discussing a deal centered on Spencer Dinwiddie all of that week. The Pistons were also in strong pursuit, and the Pacers, Timberwolves, Rockets and Knicks were among the teams closely monitoring Powell's availability as well.)

It seems such widespread interest scared off many teams from bidding too aggressively for Powell. That naturally forecasts what could be a very competitive landscape for Powell's services next season and beyond.
Part of the Blazers' calculus in swapping Trent for Powell was projecting their former second-round pick's next salary to average around $15 million annually, only for Trent to largely play backup minutes to McCollum. Powell's number is expected to be around $20 million, according to league sources polled by B/R, yet he's played as the Blazers' third starting guard, capable of defending opposing small forwards.


But what if some team with cap space, perhaps the New York Knicks, were to extend a significantly higher offer? "The Powell numbers might get crazy," said one Western Conference voice. Tom Thibodeau has long been considered to covet Powell, and the Knicks could offer him a four-year agreement north of $100 million if they choose.

"As the saying goes, it only takes one assh--e," said one team cap expert.

If Powell does stay, that creates another potential pivot point for Portland's Lillard-centered project. Perhaps Powell finally provides the insurance and flexibility for the Blazers to explore moving McCollum for a player who's a better fit for Lillard's second act.

That's getting a bit ahead of ourselves. But that's why the Powell addition may be as interesting as any in the league, this side of the Nuggets making their own move to add Gordon. The Blazers are holding onto a top-six playoff seed all while injuries have clearly prevented Terry Stotts' roster from throwing its strongest punch.

Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic have only appeared in 18 games and played 332 total minutes together, per NBA.com. Lillard, Covington and Derrick Jones Jr., by comparison, have logged 772.

If Portland can stay healthy, the question becomes whether a refortified rotation can boost the Blazers from Western Conference irritant to bona fide contender.

"I feel like they're always the same team," said another assistant general manager. "They can lose in the first round or they can get lucky or hot and make the conference finals."


Should these latest moves change that perception and introduce a greater ceiling for Portland's reality, maybe Lillard's title window opens wider—before it inevitably slams shut."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939898-inside-portlands-plot-to-salvage-damian-lillards-prime
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
"The Blazers, of course, have every incentive to retain their newly acquired wing. They sacrificed the right to match any of Trent's offer sheets in restricted free agency, betting that their on-court success and Lillard-driven locker room will urge Powell to stay put even as an unrestricted free agent.

"Knowing what Portland gave up and how many suitors there were, I think he's the most interesting guy on the market," said another Western Conference team official.

The success of this latest iteration of the Blazers' experiment will undoubtedly set the tone for how Powell moves forward. Over a dozen teams maintained a dialogue with Toronto up until the final hours before the trade deadline, league sources said. (Brooklyn was discussing a deal centered on Spencer Dinwiddie all of that week. The Pistons were also in strong pursuit, and the Pacers, Timberwolves, Rockets and Knicks were among the teams closely monitoring Powell's availability as well.)

It seems such widespread interest scared off many teams from bidding too aggressively for Powell. That naturally forecasts what could be a very competitive landscape for Powell's services next season and beyond.
Part of the Blazers' calculus in swapping Trent for Powell was projecting their former second-round pick's next salary to average around $15 million annually, only for Trent to largely play backup minutes to McCollum. Powell's number is expected to be around $20 million, according to league sources polled by B/R, yet he's played as the Blazers' third starting guard, capable of defending opposing small forwards.


But what if some team with cap space, perhaps the New York Knicks, were to extend a significantly higher offer? "The Powell numbers might get crazy," said one Western Conference voice. Tom Thibodeau has long been considered to covet Powell, and the Knicks could offer him a four-year agreement north of $100 million if they choose.

"As the saying goes, it only takes one assh--e," said one team cap expert.

If Powell does stay, that creates another potential pivot point for Portland's Lillard-centered project. Perhaps Powell finally provides the insurance and flexibility for the Blazers to explore moving McCollum for a player who's a better fit for Lillard's second act.

That's getting a bit ahead of ourselves. But that's why the Powell addition may be as interesting as any in the league, this side of the Nuggets making their own move to add Gordon. The Blazers are holding onto a top-six playoff seed all while injuries have clearly prevented Terry Stotts' roster from throwing its strongest punch.

Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic have only appeared in 18 games and played 332 total minutes together, per NBA.com. Lillard, Covington and Derrick Jones Jr., by comparison, have logged 772.

If Portland can stay healthy, the question becomes whether a refortified rotation can boost the Blazers from Western Conference irritant to bona fide contender.

"I feel like they're always the same team," said another assistant general manager. "They can lose in the first round or they can get lucky or hot and make the conference finals."


Should these latest moves change that perception and introduce a greater ceiling for Portland's reality, maybe Lillard's title window opens wider—before it inevitably slams shut."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939898-inside-portlands-plot-to-salvage-damian-lillards-prime
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We're going to lose Powell for nothing. Great job Neil.
 
I look at Olsheys job like this: this next week Stotts is coaching for his job. If they don’t win any of them, he has to go. If they don’t win any of them, and he doesn’t get fired, I’m firing both Olshey and Stotts at the end of the season if they don’t get out of the first round.

Olshey isn’t as guilty as Stotts, but the coach is his responsibility. Hes also had his own fuck ups personnel wise; not getting another ball handler, and thinking Melo and Kanter should both be on the team and playing together. And that’s just in the past year. Don’t even need to get into his past fuck ups.
 
wizenheimer said:
Olshey's ego still placing heavy bets on Zach and Simons
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I think Simons' ceiling has been reached. He's good for points off the bench and that's it. Zach may never play again, who knows? The hubris of Terry and Neil is astonishing.
 
Scalma said:
I look at Olsheys job like this: this next week Stotts is coaching for his job. If they don’t win any of them, he has to go. If they don’t win any of them, and he doesn’t get fired, I’m firing both Olshey and Stotts at the end of the season if they don’t get out of the first round.

Olshey isn’t as guilty as Stotts, but the coach is his responsibility. Hes also had his own fuck ups personnel wise; not getting another ball handler, and thinking Melo and Kanter should both be on the team and playing together. And that’s just in the past year. Don’t even need to get into his past fuck ups.
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Olshey is more culpable for our current state than Stotts. First of all, every game and season that Terry has been here too long is on Olshey. Second, Neil has all of those fuck ups with the roster. I honestly would fire both today. Tibbetts and Cronin are perfectly capable interim replacements and the team can start looking for replacements before any other teams that are in the market this off season.
 
blazerkor said:
Olshey is more culpable for our current state than Stotts. First of all, every game and season that Terry has been here too long is on Olshey. Second, Neil has all of those fuck ups with the roster. I honestly would fire both today. Tibbetts and Cronin are perfectly capable interim replacements and the team can start looking for replacements before any other teams that are in the market this off season.
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Tibbets, the guy in charge of our defense?
 
Scalma said:
Tibbets, the guy in charge of our defense?
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He's fine to finish out the season, yeah. I wouldn't keep anyone on this coaching staff past this season but Tibbets is the associate head coach and has been for the last two seasons. So there would be some continuity. I'm not hoping that Stotts's firing somehow turns this season around. It's about setting expectations and making the statement that Stotts has not met them.
 
So what happens if due to Stotts comedy coaching we lose DJJ for nothing and also Powell prefers some other destination that will pay him big bucks and also play him in his natural position at the 2 where he is not forced to guard the Lebrons on D and watch the iso parade on O? Like NY Knicks for example that have a lot of cap space and play Bullock at the 2.

Where does that leave us since we won't have any cap space? This bad coaching not only affects our winning chances for this year, but can potentially undermine our future. This is on Olshey since he accepts this.
 
Labinot41 said:
We are completely fucked in the offseason
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Yeah, I don't really see how Olshey keeps this team as good as we are and we aren't that good right now. Getting DJ or Norm back does seem pretty damn unlikely right now. There is always the hope that we fire both the GM and head coach in time to have the new GM talk to these guys and sell them on the team going forward. Obviously that would mean moving on from CJ.

Even if Olshey stays and somehow comes to his senses about the CJ and Dame pairing, I think he might even be able to fire Stotts and get good value for CJ. Get a coach that can sell DJ and Norm on how valuable they can be to this team (Norm as a starter and DJ as a guy that could get starter's minutes off of the bench). If he did those things we could be looking at a rotation of something like Dame, Norm, RoCo, what we get for CJ, Nurk, DJ, MLE backup PG, Nas, Enes. That would very likely be much better than what we've got going right now.

All of that said, Neil isn't waking up. So we aren't completely fucked this off season if we as the thread title suggests... Fire Olshey.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I don't really see how Olshey keeps this team as good as we are and we aren't that good right now. Getting DJ or Norm back does seem pretty damn unlikely right now. There is always the hope that we fire both the GM and head coach in time to have the new GM talk to these guys and sell them on the team going forward. Obviously that would mean moving on from CJ.

Even if Olshey stays and somehow comes to his senses about the CJ and Dame pairing, I think he might even be able to fire Stotts and get good value for CJ. Get a coach that can sell DJ and Norm on how valuable they can be to this team (Norm as a starter and DJ as a guy that could get starter's minutes off of the bench). If he did those things we could be looking at a rotation of something like Dame, Norm, RoCo, what we get for CJ, Nurk, DJ, MLE backup PG, Nas, Enes. That would very likely be much better than what we've got going right now.

All of that said, Neil isn't waking up. So we aren't completely fucked this off season if we as the thread title suggests... Fire Olshey.
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Yeah, I was arguing we should wait to the offseason, but shit is getting real at this point. Stotts and Olshey need to go while we still have a chance to re-sign these guys, because if free agency comes around and we are just then hiring new coach/management, the ship will have sailed.

It's all about triage. Bring in a new Coach and GM asap and let them know that Dame, Norm, Nas, Nurk, Roco, and Jones are the future (in that order), barring any new blood we can bring in. CJ absolutely will be traded.
 
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