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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154

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kjironman1 said:
That is an idea i have not read on here? Maybe someone did bring it up?
Stotts moving into a GM spot and hiring a new coach?
Becky Hammond?

Think about that?
Stotts is 63. Is he ready to move off the sidelines?

No question he could use a defensive coordinator that could shake things up.
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hmm stotts as gm? He might be too soft though. Cant get attached. If some think olshey is too attached to his players, I could only imagine the tone Stotts would get on that. Lol.

But i would like to see Tibbets back or even Thibodau as a defensive coordinator.
Ita hard to say without being witness to their practice regime, what they work on and how they work on it, but certain things need fixing or improving, for sure.
 
Im thinking John Calipari could make a jump to the NBA and might do well in the NBA?
Also, I know not many are fans of this guy but Mark Jackson could be worth another look as a coach. Defense!
Just a thought
 
Hoopguru said:
Im thinking John Calipari could make a jump to the NBA and might do well in the NBA?
Also, I know not many are fans of this guy but Mark Jackson could be worth another look as a coach. Defense!
Just a thought
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Mark Jackson as Defensive Head Coach.
Answers to Stotts on everything but defense. Jackson calls all defense. Stotts does the subbing during games, Jackson calls defensive cover based on the floor aNd provides input to Stotts as needed, during games.

Eog issue? If not,
Make it happen.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Mark Jackson as Defensive Head Coach.
Answers to Stotts on everything but defense. Jackson calls all defense. Stotts does the subbing during games, Jackson calls defensive cover based on the floor aNd provides input to Stotts as needed, during games.

Eog issue? If not,
Make it happen.
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I read this am that GP is working ok deal to assistant coach and will be announced soon. Spec its Nate and the Hawks.
 
Orion Bailey said:
What's wrong with people not wanting to water it down and aiming for the top?
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nothing....but my comment was about posts saying people who are happy with the coach and front office are happy with failure. or mediocrity....which to me is not watering down their own opinion but watering down mine ....I happen to be a big fan of Terry and management here but somebody says that my support of the coach is The Good Ship Lollypop cheering for failure and I'm going to say....that person doesn't get to water down my fandom or stop me from respecting the coach. Agreeing to disagree is really what it come down to. I've seen a lot of Blazer coaches...I think we got the right one this time and if Terry was fired, I'd adapt to that just like when Nate was fired...meanwhile I'm not a frustrated fan of where we are
 
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blazerkor said:
With a tenure this long and our best players that only he has coached and are defensive liabilities, how do we know with a certainty that we don't have a top 2 roster? This is why there is churn with coaches in the league. We don't know if Stotts is doing the best with this roster but I will go back to what I think should happen.
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Knowing with 100% certainty would be impossible, but here's what we do know:
  1. We've only had one, below average height all-star on the roster for 6 years. Teams with this simple roster make up do not have a history of great playoff success. I will do a deep dive on this later once I have a bigger sample set and add more variables, but I'm going off my early findings which indicate this is a decent predictor of future playoff success.
  2. There is not a pattern of players leaving Portland (under Stotts) and seeing a massiving improvement from leaving his system. Have there been people have improved? Yes. Regressed? Yes.
If we saw a consisten pattern where #1 or #2 were happening, my level of concern would easily be high enough for me to saying we need to try something else.

Since this is not true, I have a high degree of confidence that when (not if) a new coach comes in, we will not see a jump the next season where we make it back to the WCF.
 
calvin natt said:
F no to mark jackson. Absolutely not
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Ok....lets here why? I was thin king someone can learn over time to take a new approach with people and he was a great defender himself and has coached. Sure, he the type of coach that may get on ya but that's something the blazers could use?
 
Tince said:
Knowing with 100% certainty would be impossible, but here's what we do know:
  1. We've only had one, below average height all-star on the roster for 6 years. Teams with this simple roster make up do not have a history of great playoff success. I will do a deep dive on this later once I have a bigger sample set and add more variables, but I'm going off my early findings which indicate this is a decent predictor of future playoff success.
  2. There is not a pattern of players leaving Portland (under Stotts) and seeing a massiving improvement from leaving his system. Have there been people have improved? Yes. Regressed? Yes.
If we saw a consisten pattern where #1 or #2 were happening, my level of concern would easily be high enough for me to saying we need to try something else.

Since this is not true, I have a high degree of confidence that when (not if) a new coach comes in, we will not see a jump the next season where we make it back to the WCF.
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Yep, Olshey is the one that has to go. I just think that if he does that it probably results in Stotts's exit too. We'll hopefully see a really great playoff run or see Olshey gone and then wait on a Stotts decision.
 
blazerkor said:
Yep, Olshey is the one that has to go. I just think that if he does that it probably results in Stotts's exit too. We'll hopefully see a really great playoff run or see Olshey gone and then wait on a Stotts decision.
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I agree with your conclusion that replacing Olshey will result in replacing Stotts; that's a move I'm totally ok with at this point.
 
blazerkor said:
Yep, Olshey is the one that has to go. I just think that if he does that it probably results in Stotts's exit too. We'll hopefully see a really great playoff run or see Olshey gone and then wait on a Stotts decision.
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If by chance the end up in the finals this year would you still advocate for a change? Id have to drink and sleep on that one?
 
Hoopguru said:
If by chance the end up in the finals this year would you still advocate for a change? Id have to drink and sleep on that one?
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I would definitely not advocate for changing the current regime. I would be happily surprised and want to try and make a go of it with as close to the same team as possible next season. Even if we got swept out of the finals. The only thing I've been asking the keep both crowd is that we show progress this season by at least winning a game in the WCF if we're going to keep both... and by both I mean Olshey first and foremost.
 
Hoopguru said:
Ok....lets here why? I was thin king someone can learn over time to take a new approach with people and he was a great defender himself and has coached. Sure, he the type of coach that may get on ya but that's something the blazers could use?
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Because of his time with Golden State. It says everything that a team would fire you and the teams record was as good as it was. And then they win a title or three. There’s stuff beyond basketball that are enough to eliminate him from being a candidate. He wasn’t easy to get along with - front office, assistant coaches, etc. Huge ego. Not a great X and O guy. Heard too many stories.
 
Tince said:
Based off what?
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https://www.blazersedge.com/2014/5/...y-finishes-third-in-2014-nba-executive-of-the

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...es-for-executive-of-the-year-award-2/2025861/

Olshey has consistently finished in the top 5 of GMs in the league as voted by other front offices around the league. He did this with both the Clippers and Blazers. This takes into account more than just wins. I think front offices around the league generally know what they're talking about.

And before you bring up Stotts and ever being close to being voted Coach of the Year, that's not voted by anyone inside the NBA. Just sportswriters.

Olshey is a lot better at his job than Stotts is.
 
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AmirIcon said:
Olshey has consistently finished in the top 5 in best GMs in the league as voted by other front offices around the league. He did this with both the Clippers and Blazers. This takes into account more than just wins. I think front offices around the league generally know what they're talking about.

And before you bring up Stotts and ever being close to being voted Coach of the Year, that's not voted by anyone inside the NBA. Just sportswriters.

Olshey is a lot better at his job than Stotts is.
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Yeah it takes into account that he bid against himself on a crippling contract that he gifted CJ and the terrible one for Meyers. I'm sure they think it's wise to consider a guy that's never even sniffed the all-star game "untouchable". I'm sure they love Olshey because he keeps his team just good enough to keep him and bad enough that they don't have to worry about us getting in their way of winning a title.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah it takes into account that he bid against himself on a crippling contract that he gifted CJ and the terrible one for Meyers. I'm sure they think it's wise to consider a guy that's never even sniffed the all-star game "untouchable". I'm sure they love Olshey because he keeps his team just good enough to keep him and bad enough that they don't have to worry about us getting in their way of winning a title.
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Fans are too often 0 or 100 without any in between. Olshey certainly has his flaws, but he's also really good a lot of the time.

Believe me when I say this, he's one of the upper echelon GMs in the league and front offices around the league agree. Unfortunately he has tied his legacy to Terry Stotts who has proven to be a mediocre coach at best. His record at drafting bigs ain't great either. He should have moved CJ for Jimmy Butler when he had the chance. Or Paul George. Or Leonard or Harden.

While not being perfect, he's also way better at his job than Stotts, who he is also responsible for.
 
AmirIcon said:
Fans are too often 0 or 100 without any in between. Olshey certainly has his flaws, but he's also really good a lot of the time.

Believe me when I say this, he's one of the upper echelon GMs in the league and front offices around the league agree. Unfortunately he has tied his legacy to Terry Stotts who has proven to be a mediocre coach at best. His record at drafting bigs ain't great either. He should have moved CJ for Jimmy Butler when he had the chance. Or Paul George. Or Leonard or Harden.

While not being perfect, he's also way better at his job than Stotts, who he is also responsible for.
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The thing is, Stotts and CJ don't seem to be going anywhere without Olshey getting fired first. Also, even if he is upper echelon we should get someone with a fresh perspective after giving Olshey nine years to get us to a championship or finals appearance or conference finals win... it's time to move on. Could it be a mistake to let him go? It could look like it in hindsight but like you just pointed out Neil has been unreasonable about CJ and that's pretty damning when a GM needs to be about the business of winning and fiscal responsibility.
 
AmirIcon said:
While not being perfect, he's also way better at his job than Stotts, who he is also responsible for.
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Paul Allen hired Stotts...he interviewed Caleb Kanales and Terry Stotts and chose Stotts...Neil had very little to do with that
 
Tince said:
If you think we've had top 2 rosters in the West, then this certainly would be a fair gripe.

In my opinion, a coach with 3 HOF players, who wins 11 playoff games a year would be worth firing. While a coach who fails to get out of the 1st round with a crap roster, should keep his job until given a better roster. Obviously Stotts is somewhere in the middle of this, but success relative to roster talent is critial in my eyes.
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Maybe we don't have a top 2 roster in the west, but would you say we have a roster that should be better than almost dead last in defense?
 
AmirIcon said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/2014/5/...y-finishes-third-in-2014-nba-executive-of-the

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...es-for-executive-of-the-year-award-2/2025861/

Olshey has consistently finished in the top 5 of GMs in the league as voted by other front offices around the league. He did this with both the Clippers and Blazers. This takes into account more than just wins. I think front offices around the league generally know what they're talking about.

And before you bring up Stotts and ever being close to being voted Coach of the Year, that's not voted by anyone inside the NBA. Just sportswriters.

Olshey is a lot better at his job than Stotts is.
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Got it. So Olshey is in a position (GM) where you feel voting is valid, Stotts is not in a position (coaching) where you think the voting is valid. Therefore, all GMs are better than coaches? I'm not seeing how you're comparing the two.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe we don't have a top 2 roster in the west, but would you say we have a roster that should be better than almost dead last in defense?
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To your last question, I would say yes. Top half in the NBA? No.

My big concern is wins and playoff success relative to roster talent. Are we seeing players come to Portland and appear to improve or are players leaving Portland and blossoming.
 
Hoopguru said:
Wasnt trying to ignite anything just asked if you thought they were good at their craft. You have your own show and comment on your opinions about players and their strengths weakness's all the time because I listen to you guys. My questions was inline wit all the critique about GM's, coaches, & records.
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Just seems like people bring up other coaches to deflect the conversation away from Stotts.
 
BonesJones said:
Just seems like people bring up other coaches to deflect the conversation away from Stotts.
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Seems like people want to hold Stotts to a different criteria than they hold other coaches to.
 
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