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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

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    Votes: 9 5.8%
  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%
  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%
  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%
  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%

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I know you like numbers and facts so here we go with actual facts.

2021 WESTERN BACKCOURT NBA ALL-STAR RESULTS

Stephen Curry GSW 1
Luka Doncic DAL 2
Damian Lillard POR 3
Donovan Mitchell UTA 4
Devin Booker PHX 5
Ja Morant MEM 6
Chris Paul PHX 7
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC 8
DeAron Fox SAC 9
DeMar DeRozen SAS 10
Jamal Murray DEN 11
John Wall HOU 12
Mike Conley UTA 13
CJ McCollum POR 14

CJ might have got in if he didn't get hurt only if other players pulled out because they were hurt maybe? And as it stands they just let Conley in for Booker. Heck last year when Lillard pulled out even he named Booker over CJ.

CJ was literally 14th on the players ballot. Saying he would have "easily been an All Star" is a stretch at the very least.
Fan rank he was 10th. Media he got Zero votes.

This is just the western conference. Now in the east he might have done a bit better if he played a whole season in that conference.
https://www.interbasket.net/news/co..._FdhEpHIbwO7rogSOFzOfS6vNUrh28_jkfCU4HjNMXOKA

If CJ had made the all-star team a few times prior to this year, I think it would be much easier to make the case he would clearly be an all-star this year. The facts are, he's never put together a stretch of 30+ games to start a season that would warrant an all-star selection. This year is no exception.

Could he have made it? Of course! But for the 8th straight year, he did not make it.

If I said we were on pace to win the NBA championship in 2015 and 2019, but things happened, yet we should still be considered NBA Champions, I don't think people would buy that.
 
If Lillard wasn't here CJ's stats would be better. Robin can't go to all stars list with batman takin his shots. It does not mean he doesn't have all star skills. If you ever played basketball you know he got all star skills FFS.
We got two sport cars and for years Stotts can't find synergy.
It's on Stotts we got individuals that can't play team basketball.
 
If Lillard wasn't here CJ's stats would be better. Robin can't go to all stars list with batman takin his shots. It does not mean he doesn't have all star skills. If you ever played basketball you know he got all star skills FFS.
We got two sport cars and for years Stotts can't find synergy.
It's on Stotts we got individuals that can't play team basketball.

Are you trying to make a case that two players on the same team can't make an all-star team? Two players who's #1 skill is scoring can't make an all-star team together?

CJ has averaged between 18-20 FGA a game for 6 seasons. Last year, he took 19.4 FGA/game, good enough for T-10 in the entire NBA. CJ is geting shot attempts all-stars get. Is he getting the boards, steals, blocks, and making the stops all-stars get? It appears the answer is no.

Last years all-star tandoms (from the same team). I'll bold everyone who got less attempts than CJ:
Tatum/Walker
Harden/Westbrook
James/Davis
Adebayo/Butler

Giannis/Middleton
Simmons/Embiid
Lowry/Siakam
Gobert/Mitchell

13 players who played on the same team as another all-star, still found a way to make the team with less attempts than CJ.
 
No. I was saying that Stotts can't use them.
I assume you know what synergy is.
 
No. I was saying that Stotts can't use them.
I assume you know what synergy is.

https://theathletic.com/1107072/201...lillard-become-a-duo-synonymous-with-success/

"Can CJ McCollum and Damian Lillard become a duo ... In another example of their synergy and connection, the two guards this.. ."

Saying they're a bad defensive backcourt is somewhat accepted. Saying they don't have synergy/chemistry together is a first for me to hear anyone say.

Weird to hear what is widely considered one of the best backcourts in the NBA as used poorly. Maybe you think they would be the second coming of Gary Payton and Jordan on the defensive end if used properly?
 
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Couldn't read it, it's paywalled. I would gladly read examples of synergy between them.
From what I know ISO is opposite of synergy and ISO is what Blazer do. Time after time I see Lillard, CJ, Melo, Hood playing ISO.
Their actions are not connected therefore there is no synergy in use in this team.
 
If Lillard wasn't here CJ's stats would be better. Robin can't go to all stars list with batman takin his shots. It does not mean he doesn't have all star skills. If you ever played basketball you know he got all star skills FFS.
We got two sport cars and for years Stotts can't find synergy.
It's on Stotts we got individuals that can't play team basketball.

Huh? CJ was averaging more FGA/game than Dame was prior to injury. As it is now, for the season Dame is at 20.8 FGA/game in 34 games with more volume recently while CJ is at 20 FGA/game in his 13 games.

The stats don’t fit your narrative unless I’m missing something.

Dame is by far a more efficient scorer and distributor.
 
https://theathletic.com/1107072/201...lillard-become-a-duo-synonymous-with-success/

"Can CJ McCollum and Damian Lillard become a duo ... In another example of their synergy and connection, the two guards this.. ."

Saying they're a bad defensive backcourt is somewhat accepted. Saying they don't have synergy/chemistry together is a first for me to hear anyone say.

Weird to hear what is widely considered one of the best backcourts in the NBA as used poorly. Maybe you think they would be the second coming of Gary Payton and Jordan on the defensive end if used properly?
Let me be the umpteenth person to say it. The two step all over each other on offense. Dame is constantly getting CJ open looks that he turns down to pound the rock. The ball stalls on CJ when Dame is in. Basically when Dame is in CJ goes into what I'm sure you've seen referred to as MeJ ball. When Dame is out however, CJ turns into a well rounded lead guard. He moves the ball, he accepts picks, he scores and assists. These guys are both spectacular offensive lead guards but they don't mix well together.

You are right that it is widely accepted that they are a bad defensive back court but again, I know you've seen the MeJ thing and I also know that you've had to have read others complaining about the fact that Dame and CJ don't complement each others' games... even on offense. Maybe it's a Stotts thing but we can't know that because both have only been coached by Stotts. It might also be something that miraculously cures itself after six years.
 
Are you trying to make a case that two players on the same team can't make an all-star team? Two players who's #1 skill is scoring can't make an all-star team together?

CJ has averaged between 18-20 FGA a game for 6 seasons. Last year, he took 19.4 FGA/game, good enough for T-10 in the entire NBA. CJ is geting shot attempts all-stars get. Is he getting the boards, steals, blocks, and making the stops all-stars get? It appears the answer is no.

Last years all-star tandoms (from the same team). I'll bold everyone who got less attempts than CJ:
Tatum/Walker
Harden/Westbrook
James/Davis
Adebayo/Butler

Giannis/Middleton
Simmons/Embiid
Lowry/Siakam
Gobert/Mitchell

13 players who played on the same team as another all-star, still found a way to make the team with less attempts than CJ.

Huh? CJ was averaging more FGA/game than Dame was prior to injury. As it is now, for the season Dame is at 20.8 FGA/game in 34 games with more volume recently while CJ is at 20 FGA/game in his 13 games.

The stats don’t fit your narrative unless I’m missing something.

Dame is by far a more efficient scorer and distributor.

Maybe we goin somewhere. CJ is more complex player when he has to play without Lillard.
"Looks" are not everything. You tellin me that bc stats show that he got looks it means his skills are use properly.
And Tince,
Synergy means 1+1=3. What ISO do is 1=1

And maybe I shouldn't write "batman taking his shots". Maybe I should use other words.
 
Huh? CJ was averaging more FGA/game than Dame was prior to injury. As it is now, for the season Dame is at 20.8 FGA/game in 34 games with more volume recently while CJ is at 20 FGA/game in his 13 games.

The stats don’t fit your narrative unless I’m missing something.

Dame is by far a more efficient scorer and distributor.

Dame has been far more efficient is past years. Not this year. It’s only a 13 game sample for CJ but he’s been slightly more efficient than Dame this year. TS% 0.620 vs 0.618

CJ is not the distributor that Dame is (8.0 vs 5.3 AST/36) but his assist are up about 60% from a few years ago and his TO’s are extremely low (1.1 vs 3.3 TO/36 CJ vs Dame).

Hopefully that 13 game stretch is not a flash in the pan.
 
Say what you want about Stotts but Al-Farouq Aminu and Mo Harkless are basically out of the league now as rotation players, played their best in Portland, and neither is over 30 years old.

Aminu is just getting back from injury and playing 22 minutes/game for Orlando the last 5 or so games.
 
It is way easier to say you disagree with the decision of others, especially after things haven't worked, than to lay out what/who you do support before hand.
It's what i call bird dogging.
We deal with it at work. It's when someone watches you (Usually your boss) and points out every little mistake you make. They fail to just let you get from point A to point B.
In the end it's never about what you accomplished. It's always about dropping your wrench or having to make an extra trip back to the gang box because you didn't grab the right set of prints.
The building is still getting built. Nothing ever happens the way you expect but the Bird Dog always takes the credit for pointing out the mistakes.

Happens constantly in game threads. Right now the whipping post has been Gary Trent and Enes Kanter on defense. Most of the year it's been Melo on offense. First two weeks it was Nurk being out of shape. Simons has taken on a bigger role and is taking more chances because that is the only way he is going to continue to excel and grow as a player. He is getting picked apart on this board. Glad he never reads it because if he let that shit get into his head he might as well pack his stuff and quit.

Of course Stotts gets the ultimate "Blame". Why isn't Ant playing? Ant isn't a point guard! Why isn't Little Playing. Why is melo Playing? Why is Stotts running Lillard into the ground? Trent is Garbage! The rotations and scheme suck.
Did you see that corner three? Why can't they guard a corner three? (Even though every team in the league works plays to get that shot including the Blazers)

Then there is Olshey... Do we need to discuss this? Why didn't he sign such and such? Why didn't he trade this guy? Why can't we have that player? Why did he make this deal. There is a reason Olshey doesn't let anyone know much.

Bird Dogs fail to see 21-14 and 5th place in the West working without 3 starters and down one back up Big.
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Yes. It's very easy to sit and watch something and pick apart everything you see go wrong. It's very hard to come up with a plan that works to perfection with the tools and personnel available. I deal with this on a daily basis.
 

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If CJ had made the all-star team a few times prior to this year, I think it would be much easier to make the case he would clearly be an all-star this year. The facts are, he's never put together a stretch of 30+ games to start a season that would warrant an all-star selection. This year is no exception.

Could he have made it? Of course! But for the 8th straight year, he did not make it.

If I said we were on pace to win the NBA championship in 2015 and 2019, but things happened, yet we should still be considered NBA Champions, I don't think people would buy that.
Ultimately @BonesJones isn't really trying to make that point and i think both of us understand that. I just drove home that issue.
I agree that this team as assembled could be the caliber of team that could compete. He feels even more so with a different approach from the coach. He may very well be right!

I do wonder why he gives such high praise to these players but doesn't give credit to the team for performing well without them? Stotts right now is part of that team.
 
Yes. It's very easy to sit and watch something and pick apart everything you see go wrong. It's very hard to come up with a plan that works to perfection with the tools and personnel available. I deal with this on a daily basis.

Who's out there that meets those expectations?
Mark Few?
Mark Jackson?
Beetlejuice?

you two guys have been working this angle really hard in incessant attempts to defend blazer status quo. I guess because you think it's effective?

IMO, this "name a replacement first" or "come up with a plan first" is just a laughable tactic to try and derail people from saying things you don't like

when was the last time a team hired a new head coach before they fired the current one? Yeah, that's a rhetorical question because even the dumbest teams don't put the cart before the horse. And how often are there gaps of weeks or even months between a team firing the coach and hiring another? Here's a shocking fact: Stotts was hired 5 months after Nate was fired. Even more shocking is that Olshey was hired 13 months after Rich Cho was fired, and the franchise didn't suffer at all by not having a GM or head coach. In fact, in those gaps, Portland traded for a 6th pick, thoroughly scouted a target, and then drafted that target, Lillard, who ironically has given 9 years of ass cover to the two guys in charge many people want gone

tell you what, pay me 8 million a year like Olshey and I'll have a plan. Except I won't tell you and if you ask, I'll deflect, condescend, snipe at critics, and then pump out more snake oil. Which points at a reality...you guys don't know what Olshey's plan is other than a guess it's probably more of the same, which you're fine with. Why should any of us tell you our plans when you don't hold Olshey to the same standard?
 
you two guys have been working this angle really hard in incessant attempts to defend blazer status quo. I guess because you think it's effective?

IMO, this "name a replacement first" or "come up with a plan first" is just a laughable tactic to try and derail people from saying things you don't like

when was the last time a team hired a new head coach before they fired the current one? Yeah, that's a rhetorical question because even the dumbest teams don't put the cart before the horse. And how often are there gaps of weeks or even months between a team firing the coach and hiring another? Here's a shocking fact: Stotts was hired 5 months after Nate was fired. Even more shocking is that Olshey was hired 13 months after Rich Cho was fired, and the franchise didn't suffer at all by not having a GM or head coach. In fact, in those gaps, Portland traded for a 6th pick, thoroughly scouted a target, and then drafted that target, Lillard, who ironically has given 9 years of ass cover to the two guys in charge many people want gone

tell you what, pay me 8 million a year like Olshey and I'll have a plan. Except I won't tell you and if you ask, I'll deflect, condescend, snipe at critics, and then pump out more snake oil. Which points at a reality...you guys don't know what Olshey's plan is other than a guess it's probably more of the same, which you're fine with. Why should any of us tell you our plans when you don't hold Olshey to the same standard?
Since when do GMs tell the public their plans?
 
you two guys have been working this angle really hard in incessant attempts to defend blazer status quo. I guess because you think it's effective?

IMO, this "name a replacement first" or "come up with a plan first" is just a laughable tactic to try and derail people from saying things you don't like

when was the last time a team hired a new head coach before they fired the current one? Yeah, that's a rhetorical question because even the dumbest teams don't put the cart before the horse. And how often are there gaps of weeks or even months between a team firing the coach and hiring another? Here's a shocking fact: Stotts was hired 5 months after Nate was fired. Even more shocking is that Olshey was hired 13 months after Rich Cho was fired, and the franchise didn't suffer at all by not having a GM or head coach. In fact, in those gaps, Portland traded for a 6th pick, thoroughly scouted a target, and then drafted that target, Lillard, who ironically has given 9 years of ass cover to the two guys in charge many people want gone

tell you what, pay me 8 million a year like Olshey and I'll have a plan. Except I won't tell you and if you ask, I'll deflect, condescend, snipe at critics, and then pump out more snake oil. Which points at a reality...you guys don't know what Olshey's plan is other than a guess it's probably more of the same, which you're fine with. Why should any of us tell you our plans when you don't hold Olshey to the same standard?
Geez dude, your the one that always has the stats or answers on things, forum know it all. Yet you refuse to offer any idea, IDEA on you'd think would meet your GM and coaching style. Yeah I get to dont want go on record with anything like that less you be wrong. You must be an accountant, a 5 cent mistake is no different than a $1000 mistake. They are made just as easily. Quit being such damn weisenheimer! Now throw fucking numbers at me if you like.
 
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Geez dude, your the one that always has the stats or answers on things, forum know it all. Yet you refuse to offer any idea, IDEA on you'd think would meet your GM and coaching style..

and you just did it again. Why is it so important for you to know who I'd hire as GM if I owned the Blazers? What difference would it make?

I've never been a big advocate of firing Stotts. I think he has, in some cases, been blamed for roster construction he has no control over. But his flaws as a defensive coach have never been more apparent than this season. That's enough reason if his over-reliance on offensive iso wasn't

Olshey is a different matter. I think he should have been fired after the 2016 disaster....that Portland is still dealing with 5 years later, by the way. But the big thing is that in 2015, Olshey went all-in on the Dame/CJ team. 110%. He's treating that pairing, in both opportunity-cost and financial-cost as if they are a championship pairing like Bird/McHale or Magic/Jabbar or Magic/Worthy or Jordan/Pippen or Kobe/Shaq or Duncan/Robinson or Lebron/DWade or Curry/Durant or Lebron/AD. He didn't build a team around Dame. He built it around Dame/CJ and has not wavered in that commitment even though the evidence is close to overwhelming it won't yield a championship. Seeing all those names in those championship duo's, it's already a bit of a stretch to put Dame there. But it's nuts to think CJ belongs. But that is what Olshey has committed Portland to

you want to know who I'd hire as GM? Anybody who could look at the Portland roster objectively instead of thru the lens of Olshey's ego
 
the evidence is close to overwhelming it won't yield a championship
No it's not...this is pure spin. You don't get to the Western conf finals without a shot at a championship and we did that hobbled....the teams that beat us in playoffs became champions...they beat everybody....with health we could have gone further....quantum physics says anything is possible...the limitation is on the student, not the science...string theory 101
Definitions are tricky because they don't take intangibles into account and if the maps say the world is flat....that's what you learn until someone says...wait a minute here. Maybe we won't fall off the edge! Let's keep sailing west!
 
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No it's not...this is pure spin. You don't get to the Western conf finals without a shot at a championship and we did that hobbled....the teams that beat us in playoffs became champions...they beat everybody....with health we could have gone further

talk about spin... if it wasn't true Portland wouldn't have been swept by the team that lost the finals (and Durant didn't play that series). And if Portland was a contender, they would have played in more that one WCF over 9 years and would have actually managed to win a game when they did. Hell, even their semi-finals record over the Olshey/Stotts era is 6-11. And their overall playoff winning percentage is .357. Neither of those point to a contender

of course, different team each year, so maybe, in the 9th season, Portland might actually graduate from pretender to contender. Anything is possible but if past is predicate, don't hold your breath
 
you two guys have been working this angle really hard in incessant attempts to defend blazer status quo. I guess because you think it's effective?
Nah we just are willing to look at the scoreboard.
Right now the Blazers are 21-14 and in the 5th seed when that was pretty much the expectation without injuries.
What do you think the record should be if they were all Healthy? 24 wins? 25?
Well 25-10 puts them solid 2nd seed.
We don't need to work this "Angle" hard.
The Blazers have done that for us. That is what "points at Reality".
I rest my case.....
 
Nah we just are willing to look at the scoreboard.
Right now the Blazers are 21-14 and in the 5th seed when that was pretty much the expectation without injuries.
What do you think the record should be if they were all Healthy? 24 wins? 25?
Well 25-10 puts them solid 2nd seed.
We don't need to work this "Angle" hard.
The Blazers have done that for us. That is what "points at Reality".
I rest my case.....

LOL..."rest my case"....good one. You're done commenting then

but you see....this is the argument: you guys are pointing at the record and saying "good job Olehey and Stotts". A lot of other people are pointing at that record and saying "where would Portland be without Dame".
 
. if it wasn't true Portland wouldn't have been swept by the team that lost the finals (and Durant didn't play that series)
So ridiculous somebody bringing up Durant being injured.
So was Lillard (Hamstring), Nurk (leg), Collins (shoulder), Kanter (shoulder), Aminu (knee)
They were playing Meyers Leonard for gods sakes? What do you expect man.
By game three Aminu was down to 12 mins a game. Meyers was starting and Kanter was down to 7 mins a game.
That series started with a grand total of 36 hours rest and a flight from Denver to Oakland in the middle.
Game 4 with a 2 point loss in OT with Meyers playing 40+ mins and Aminu down to 11 mins because he could barely walk. Harkless gets a grand total of 15 mins and i can't remember why he was out?
I'll give Meyers some credit. He scored 30 points.

To bring up injuries in this series is a crock. Both teams were depleted but the Blazers were down to 6 serviceable players.
 
LOL..."rest my case"....good one. You're done commenting then

but you see....this is the argument: you guys are pointing at the record and saying "good job Olehey and Stotts". A lot of other people are pointing at that record and saying "where would Portland be without Dame".
No not done commenting. Just gonna wait until you can come up with at least some kind of coherent response.
Again-
SCOREBOARD!
 
.this is the argument: you guys are pointing at the record and saying "good job Olehey and Stotts". A lot of other people are pointing at that record and saying "where would Portland be without Dame".
That's not an argument...that's a question.....where would the Lakers be without Lebron?....the Warriors without Steph?.....the Clippers without Kawhi?...the Heat without Butler?...
I'll say this....CJ can plug in for Dame easier than you replace a Lebron or Steph on those other teams.....I look at our record and say.....good job Blazers....like every damned team our record is impacted by our best player.....duh....so my question is...why ask what our record would look like without our best player? Maybe just for arguments sake?
 
LOL...too fucking easy:

SCOREBOARD!!!!
You're the one that brought up injuries not me my man.
Exactly. You ask where would they be without Lillard? I'll tell you. Lottery. Why? Because they are also without NURK, CJ, COLLINS, and GILES.
Here's the next. Where would the Warriors be with Klay, Curry, Draymond and Loony?
Guess where they were last year?
LOTTERY!

Darn straight it's easy. And you still can't come up with a coherent response.
 
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