Fire Stotts Eventually (2 Viewers)

[hoopsjock]

A lot of Thib’s “defense” is based on grinding out possessions on both ends of the court. It’s as close to early ‘90s ball as you can get these days and they are still only a .500 in an awful conference other than the top three teams. Their offensive efficiency is horrible.

Please don't listen to Danny Marang. Defensive rating takes pace of play out of the equation. It literally accounts for a "grind it out style." They're actually good on defense because their defense is good.

 

[riverman]

A lot of Thib’s “defense” is based on grinding out possessions on both ends of the court. It’s as close to early ‘90s ball as you can get these days and they are still only a .500 in an awful conference other than the top three teams. Their offensive efficiency is horrible.

I think teams like that that put so much energy in on defense tend to shoot with rubber legs on the other side of the court....Chicago was definitely that and I also believe Thibs took years off Joakim Noah's career to get those stats as well as Derrick Rose

 

[Tince]

A lot of Thib’s “defense” is based on grinding out possessions on both ends of the court. It’s as close to early ‘90s ball as you can get these days and they are still only a .500 in an awful conference other than the top three teams. Their offensive efficiency is horrible.

I pray we don't do the classic bad organization move of over-correcting and hiring the total opposite of the previous coach. The rules are setup to where good offense will beat good defense (see: ortg win correlation compared to drtg). If we can become a top defense, maintain our offense, all with a simple coach change and not a roster change, I would love it.

 

[hoopsjock]

To Bud's credit, the Bucks have been trying some new things defensively. Still drop with Brook and Giannis as their base, but are more apt to get agressive if the ball handler is hurting them or switch if they are getting beat by the pick and pop 3.

Switching a lot more guard to guard actions too which has been nearly an automatic for most teams for years, but Bud had been reluctant to do.

Hasn't always looked great, and their personnel defensively off the bench has taken a big step back which I think are the main reasons they haven't been as good statistically on that end. It'll be interesting how that'll help come playoff time. Less Giannis 5 out at the top of the key in the half court too offensively. More Khris and Jrue late and have messed around with putting their guards in the dunker spot to force players to protect the rim that don't usually do.

I think we've seen the same with Terry, albeit to a lesser extent. He's gotten more aggressive with Kanter at times in pnr. Has been more willing to help off the ball in their drop or get into rotation if they have the big play higher in the drop or trap / hedge. Has been more conservative lately minus some late game stuff or against teams with a high usage ball handler and not a bunch of shooting on the floor (Luka this year, Harden in the past). Hard to say how much that is protecting Kanter due to his weaknesses and the fact that he's the only big (energy and foul concerns) or that Terry didn't like the barrage of threes we were giving up early in the year, including close to the highest rate of corner threes in the league. We will know more once Nurk is back.

I'm certainly willing to change my mind if a coach proves otherwise. Stotts is too quick to give up on anything other than drop scheme whenever they struggle. He doesn't have good enough game plans for each game in the regular season let alone a playoff series. I think he means well at times he's just in over his head. The fact he hasn't brought in a permanent defensive specialist to his staff to me signifies he isn't aware of it enough to fix it.

 

[riverman]

I've talked with Dan Marang and found him to be bright, open minded and easy to talk hoops with. I'd recommend anybody to listen to Dan....he's actually gone about building his career in a very smart way....he's getting comped to cover games for a reason.

 

[jlprk]

I've talked with Dan Marang and found him to be bright, open minded and easy to talk hoops with. I'd recommend anybody to listen to Dan....he's actually gone about building his career in a very smart way....he's getting comped to cover games for a reason.

His sports opinions are aimed toward building his career?

 

[BonesJones]

I appreciate that Torey.....and I don't argue in your youtube chats for the same reason.....you have, however, given likes to most every poster who's come at me with the "happy with mediocrity" attacks ...and trying to discuss why Stotts coaches the style he does doesn't get respected in this forum much at all...actually I listened to one of your podcasts after a good win a few weeks ago and thought it was excellent...and you actually credited Stotts with the win.....I came back for more and Eric was yelling at his mike about Stotts for not playing Nas to the point I had to take the volume on my speaker down to keep it from rattling....it was an anti Melo rant if I remember.....turns out...Nas was dealing with a sore knee and Stotts was being careful but....to the casual observer, that wasn't the narrative. I think also that the reliance on the phrase "injury excuse" could better be used as...."injury reality".....a team that's had it's core playing together develops chemistry...we've had 8 starting lineups in 34 games and held our own....I'd say this season is exceeding expectations given the circumstance of our team. Why that becomes a "homer excuse" is baffling to me.

You've liked posts from people trashing me before, and I didn't take it personally. More likely - You agreed with the premise of the tweet in general, and not necessarily the personal attack.

In regards to my channel, if people agree with all my opinions, they think my work is phenominal.
If they disagree with all my opinions, they think my work is trash and I'm a moron.

So I appreciate the compliment but I'm not surprised that what you think the one stream that was "excellent" was the one where I was giving Stotts some praise.

I've talked with Dan Marang and found him to be bright, open minded and easy to talk hoops with. I'd recommend anybody to listen to Dan....he's actually gone about building his career in a very smart way....he's getting comped to cover games for a reason.

What I don't understand is how you have a problem with negative "discourse" then go and support the guy who calls people Neanderthals if they want more ball movement.



The same guy who calls people who don't like flat-earthers if they think Stotts isn't perfect is apparently "open-minded" to you.

Every complaint you've had about me applies to him, but I'd say I've improved and am much more respectful of other opinions. So it feels like it's just about who you agree with, not necessarily the way they conduct themselves.

Here's the thing - If people like Marang more than our content, that's fine. We fill different niches and have different opinions and some people will like listening to someone who thinks more like they do than people they disagree with. I would expect you to enjoy Marang more than us because you're guys opinions align more than ours do.

But I never wanted to listen to a guy who thinks pace of play affects a per 100 stat, expects us to finish the season at or below .500 ever year, and who says we have to trade CJ for anything even if it's not a good return, while insulting and talking down to literally every single person that disagrees with them...

...so I went and made my own platform, and it's been successful.

 

[riverman]

His sports opinions are aimed toward building his career?

The way he used them got him comped seats at games, summer league, plane tickets and a tv gig with a salary.......I'd say that's building a career.. I don't even think Casey Holdahl liked basketball when he started this career.....Dan does. I don't agree with him about some things but he didn't fuck around, he walked the walk. For people who want to make a living doing that he's a good guy to talk to about it.

 

[BonesJones]

The way he used them got him comped seats at games, summer league, plane tickets and a tv gig with a salary.......I'd say that's building a career.. I don't even think Casey Holdahl liked basketball when he started this career.....Dan does. I don't agree with him about some things but he didn't fuck around, he walked the walk. For people who want to make a living doing that he's a good guy to talk to about it.

Can't wait to hear you say the same things about me in a couple years, but how I made it on my own

EDIT - Well with Eric's help of course

 

[riverman]

So I appreciate the compliment but I'm not surprised that what you think the one stream that was "excellent" was the one where I was giving Stotts some praise.

The reason I found it excellent isn't that you said what I wanted to hear....it's that you celebrated a good win pointing out things you normally don't, like Melo playing well.....I'm not that shallow Torey and blanket statements about why I liked that episode don't apply.....I haven't seen most of your work, but I have seen enough to know that from the ones I've seen the only episode that did not focus on negative coaching was that one......I am a fan..comraderie after a win with stuff to cheer for is a good thing, so the simple thing is...thanks man....not thanks man but you only like it because..........as to Dan Marang.....I've had 3 basketball conversations with him and don't follow his show....I don't watch tv at all....I also don't follow twitter..etc..so don't know what you guys beef is but it's not my problem...I liked the guy. Last time I talked with him Mason Plumlee was a Blazer

 

[riverman]

Can't wait to hear you say the same things about me in a couple years, but how I made it on my own

I've wished you well from the first episode....I don't cheer for people to fail at their dreams

 

[calvin natt]

God we need the all star break to end

 

[jlprk]

In regards to my channel, if people agree with all my opinions, they think my work is phenominal. If they disagree with all my opinions, they think my work is trash and I'm a moron.

Reading this last page makes me notice that Marang, Torey, and moron almost rhyme.

And if I slur Riverman fast, it fits! Easy in my present condition.

 

[riverman]

Reading this last page makes me notice that Marang, Torey, and moron almost rhyme.

And if I slur Riverman fast, it fits! Easy in my present condition.

I've got covid vaccine coursing through my bloodstream......that rhymes with everything dude

 

[riverman]

God we need the all star break to end

I'm retired...life is one long allstar break

 

[jlprk]

There was a budding star named Torr'r
Who's in competition with Maran(g)
He used the word moron
Unseen by board foremen
When he argued with sniveler R'r'm'n.

 

[riverman]

There was a budding star named Torr'r
Who's in competition with Maran(g)
He used the word moron
Unseen by board foremen
When he argued with sniveler R'r'm'n.

it's time for the "guess what jlprk" stands for forum game.....I'll start
Just Left People's Republic of Korea?

 

[jlprk]

I mowed lawns 2 and a third times today and I am proud of myself!

I couldn't see the lines to follow right after 6 pm. I think it was the Sun, but it could have been me.

 

[riverman]

I couldn't see the lines to follow right after 6 pm

That wasn't a lawn...it was a hiway!

 

[wizenheimer]

Hasn't always been like this though

Per Cleaning the Glass, top 2 in limiting corner threes 5 of the 7 seasons prior to 19-20 and never outside the top 10.

I don't subscribe to Cleaning the Glass

al I can do is go thru BBREF. They say

2013-14: Blazers 1st in rate of opponent corner three's....17th in opponent corner 3pt%
2014-15: Blazers 5th in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2015-16: Blazers 7th in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2016-17: Blazers 2nd in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2017-18: Blazers 3rd in rate of opponent corner three's....22nd in opponent corner 3pt%
2018-19: Blazers 2nd in rate of opponent corner three's....9th in opponent corner 3pt%

2019-20: Blazers 21st in rate of opponent corner three's....20th in opponent corner 3pt%
2020-21: Blazers 24th in rate of opponent corner three's....30th in opponent corner 3pt%

so, it looks like bbref and cleaning the glass have similar stats

What separates the fist 6 seasons from the last 2 seasons in terms of defending corner three's? I'd say it's definitely linked to personnel.

in the first two season, the Blazers had Aldridge, Matthews, and Batum as starters. All were good at rotating to open three point shooters. Those teams also had 2nd unit players like Dorell Wright, Will Barton, Earl Watson, Steve Blake, and Arron Afflalo who were at least average to pretty good at perimeter defense

the next 4 seasons had Aminu and Harkless as the starting forwards. And 2nd unit players included Gerald Henderson, Noah Vonleh, Tim Frazier, Evan Turner, Shabazz Napier, Pat Connaughton, Seth Curry. Again, no lockdown defenders, but a sizable collection of at least average to good defenders

but before last season, for some reason (drugs?), Olshey decided that defense didn't matter. He dumped a lot of the decent perimeter defenders in favor of Bazemore, Hejonja, & Tolliver at the same time he cleared the way for Simons and Trent to have big roles. Then he signed Melo. That's kind of a killer's row of defensive screen doors. Olshey tried to put his finger in the dyke last offseason by bringing in RoCo and Jones. But with Dame & CJ already marked for major minutes, there are a lot of supporting minutes devoted to crappy defenders like Trent (31.2 minutes), Melo (25.6), Hood (19,2) and Simons (17.0). Those 4 guys are worse defensively than just about any of the perimeter players on those previous 6 teams

 

[jlprk]

I mowed lawns 2 and a third times today and I am proud of myself! I couldn't see the lines to follow right after 6 pm. I think it was the Sun, but it could have been me.

Tonight I've been looking online for a good cheap 4K monitor/TV. This one 2 feet from my eyes is a 42 inch 1080, but it's 6 1/2 years old and suddenly got darker yesterday. There's a horizontal light streak in the middle, but I strain to read the rest. This looks interesting.

Amazon product ASIN B086BG213X

 

[jlprk]

I don't subscribe to Cleaning the Glass so all I can do is go thru BBREF. They say
2013-14: Blazers 1st in rate of opponent corner three's....17th in opponent corner 3pt%
2014-15: Blazers 5th in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2015-16: Blazers 7th in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2016-17: Blazers 2nd in rate of opponent corner three's....8th in opponent corner 3pt%
2017-18: Blazers 3rd in rate of opponent corner three's....22nd in opponent corner 3pt%
2018-19: Blazers 2nd in rate of opponent corner three's....9th in opponent corner 3pt%
2019-20: Blazers 21st in rate of opponent corner three's....20th in opponent corner 3pt%
2020-21: Blazers 24th in rate of opponent corner three's....30th in opponent corner 3pt%
so, it looks like bbref and cleaning the glass have similar stats

No one uses Hoopsstats! Why?

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/portland-trail-blazers/team/rankings/21/25/1
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/portland-trail-blazers/team/tips/21/25/1
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/portland-trail-blazers/team/streaks/21/25/1
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/portland-trail-blazers/team/quarters/21/25/1

 

[wizenheimer]

Tonight I've been looking online for a good cheap 4K monitor/TV. This one 2 feet from my eyes is a 42 inch 1080, but it's 6 1/2 years old and suddenly got darker yesterday. There's a horizontal light streak in the middle, but I strain to read the rest. This looks interesting.

Amazon product ASIN B086BG213X

would you be buying it from Amazon?

I have an Amazon Prime account but I'l always hesitant to buy expensive big boxed items online in case there are problems. I like brick and mortar stores for that just to have the local return

Best Buy has it for the same price as Amazon

but I don't know anything about Hisense electronics. It has good reviews at Amazon, but I'd read a lot of them to be sure. I'd also check customer reviews at Best Buy

 

[jlprk]

would you be buying it from Amazon?

I have an Amazon Prime account but I'l always hesitant to buy expensive big boxed items online in case there are problems. I like brick and mortar stores for that just to have the local return

Best Buy has it for the same price as Amazon

but I don't know anything about Hisense electronics. It has good reviews at Amazon, but I'd read a lot of them to be sure. I'd also check customer reviews at Best Buy

Yes, this Sharp which is dying, I was going to buy online. But then I spotted it at Best Buy and got it. Thanks for reminding me to check stores. I have to hurry. I can barely read this.

 

[B-Roy]

would you be buying it from Amazon?

I have an Amazon Prime account but I'l always hesitant to buy expensive big boxed items online in case there are problems. I like brick and mortar stores for that just to have the local return

Best Buy has it for the same price as Amazon

but I don't know anything about Hisense electronics. It has good reviews at Amazon, but I'd read a lot of them to be sure. I'd also check customer reviews at Best Buy

Amazon's return policy/customer service are second to none.

 

[wizenheimer]

Amazon's return policy/customer service are second to none.

I know, but it's still a pain in the butt to deal with shipping

 

[BonesJones]

The reason I found it excellent isn't that you said what I wanted to hear....it's that you celebrated a good win pointing out things you normally don't, like Melo playing well.....I'm not that shallow Torey and blanket statements about why I liked that episode don't apply.....I haven't seen most of your work, but I have seen enough to know that from the ones I've seen the only episode that did not focus on negative coaching was that one......I am a fan..comraderie after a win with stuff to cheer for is a good thing, so the simple thing is...thanks man....not thanks man but you only like it because..........as to Dan Marang.....I've had 3 basketball conversations with him and don't follow his show....I don't watch tv at all....I also don't follow twitter..etc..so don't know what you guys beef is but it's not my problem...I liked the guy. Last time I talked with him Mason Plumlee was a Blazer

I'll take your word for it. As far as conversing with Marang, I've experienced (and heard, and seen) quite the opposite. Its not a me vs. him thing, it's a "If you disagree with Dan, he'll insult you and call you a neanderthal and a flat-earther" thing.

 

[kjironman1]

People online vs real life interaction.

 

[kjironman1]

I've talked with Dan Marang and found him to be bright, open minded and easy to talk hoops with. I'd recommend anybody to listen to Dan....he's actually gone about building his career in a very smart way....he's getting comped to cover games for a reason.

Here's the thing on Dan Marang. He gets it. He understands the business and the business model.
Honestly i used to think about the NBA much differently. Much like those on here that take this stuff to the next level.
I sat down and had an honest conversation with a player that played in the league for many years. He happened to be my boss. (Most can figure out who that is)
Since that day I have NEVER looked at the game the same way. The things he told me would astonish you. The ideas these people have on here are so far out in left field they wouldn't know what hit them if they actually knew the truth.
I have listened to Dan. He has actually said some of the exact same things that I heard that day. Until someone gets that awakening they will continue to make grand statements about what is actually just a huge "Entertainment" business that was created from a GAME.
Seriously this is a business created from a game and it's based on entertainment that a bunch of people make money off of.

 

[Hoopguru]

I've got covid vaccine coursing through my bloodstream......that rhymes with everything dude

Did you feel a bit hyper after your shot? I did and it was the last ting I expected kind of enjoyed it too. Lasted maybe 2 hours or so.