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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154

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Hoopguru said:
Did you feel a bit hyper after your shot? I did and it was the last ting I expected kind of enjoyed it too. Lasted maybe 2 hours or so.
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not that I noticed ....I really had no side effects so far other than some soreness where I got the shot....
 
kjironman1 said:
Here's the thing on Dan Marang. He gets it. He understands the business and the business model.
Honestly i used to think about the NBA much differently. Much like those on here that take this stuff to the next level.
I sat down and had an honest conversation with a player that played in the league for many years. He happened to be my boss. (Most can figure out who that is)
Since that day I have NEVER looked at the game the same way. The things he told me would astonish you. The ideas these people have on here are so far out in left field they wouldn't know what hit them if they actually knew the truth.
I have listened to Dan. He has actually said some of the exact same things that I heard that day. Until someone gets that awakening they will continue to make grand statements about what is actually just a huge "Entertainment" business that was created from a GAME.
Seriously this is a business created from a game and it's based on entertainment that a bunch of people make money off of.
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So does this explain why we signed Melo, why Simons gets so many minutes and why we never signed a backup big, even on a ten day contract? :)
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
So does this explain why we signed Melo, why Simons gets so many minutes and why we never signed a backup big, even on a ten day contract? :)
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The funny part of that question is it probably does but because I'm not in the know I can't say one way or another. Rest assured if that question was asked of Olshey the answer most likely would be different than what the real reason is.
 
kjironman1 said:
Here's the thing on Dan Marang. He gets it. He understands the business and the business model.
Honestly i used to think about the NBA much differently. Much like those on here that take this stuff to the next level.
I sat down and had an honest conversation with a player that played in the league for many years. He happened to be my boss. (Most can figure out who that is)
Since that day I have NEVER looked at the game the same way. The things he told me would astonish you. The ideas these people have on here are so far out in left field they wouldn't know what hit them if they actually knew the truth.
I have listened to Dan. He has actually said some of the exact same things that I heard that day. Until someone gets that awakening they will continue to make grand statements about what is actually just a huge "Entertainment" business that was created from a GAME.
Seriously this is a business created from a game and it's based on entertainment that a bunch of people make money off of.
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Ahhhhh yes, the old "you're not privy to what is being forced on the coaches" argument.

That's Danny's go to move when he has no retort.
 
hoopsjock said:
Ahhhhh yes, the old "you're not privy to what is being forced on the coaches" argument.

That's Danny's go to move when he has no retort.
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You don't think coaches are ever 'forced' to play certain guys, or for how long, etc?
 
hoopsjock said:
Ahhhhh yes, the old "you're not privy to what is being forced on the coaches" argument.

That's Danny's go to move when he has no retort.
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Look i know you think you are the cats meow and you have all of the answers Hoops but the fact is you don't.
Neither do I. Never have and never will. I do know what i was told about the game and i also know i trust what i was told.

I honestly do not know what Stotts is dealing with. I don't know what Olshey is dealing with. What's more is we rarely know what players are dealing with as well. I do love to discuss it as much as anyone but i now know it is purely speculation about a game that is being used for an entertainment business.

That is my stance and I'm gonna stick with it. These are people with real lives. They are not your possession and you don't get to have control. They are well versed on these issues and they have opinions just like everyone else.
 
calvin natt said:
You don't think coaches are ever 'forced' to play certain guys, or for how long, etc?
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A GM and coach should always be on the same page. Stotts is on record as not wanting to be involved in the draft or personnel decisions. It absolutely happens to where promises are given to signees (ie Melo).

The problem becomes when people excuse fixable coaching things with that reasoning. It's lazy.

For example, say Olshey promised Kanter and Melo playing time. That doesn't mean Stotts can't stagger their minutes so we don't have a poor defensive lineup out there. Or if Melo is promised touches why he has to get those touches posted up 20 feet from the basket instead of setting a cross screen that could get him set up closer to the basket or more open looks.
 
kjironman1 said:
Look i know you think you are the cats meow and you have all of the answers Hoops but the fact is you don't.
Neither do I. Never have and never will. I do know what i was told about the game and i also know i trust what i was told.

I honestly do not know what Stotts is dealing with. I don't know what Olshey is dealing with. What's more is we rarely know what players are dealing with as well. I do love to discuss it as much as anyone but i now know it is purely speculation about a game that is being used for an entertainment business.

That is my stance and I'm gonna stick with it. These are people with real lives. They are not your possession and you don't get to have control. They are well versed on these issues and they have opinions just like everyone else.
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Not once have I ever claimed to know everything, but thanks for being a dick about it.
 
hoopsjock said:
A GM and coach should always be on the same page. Stotts is on record as not wanting to be involved in the draft or personnel decisions. It absolutely happens to where promises are given to signees (ie Melo).

The problem becomes when people excuse fixable coaching things with that reasoning. It's lazy.

For example, say Olshey promised Kanter and Melo playing time. That doesn't mean Stotts can't stagger their minutes so we don't have a poor defensive lineup out there. Or if Melo is promised touches why he has to get those touches posted up 20 feet from the basket instead of setting a cross screen that could get him set up closer to the basket or more open looks.
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I’m not talking about “how to coach”, as much as who, how much, etc. Yes. Coaching them on how to defend a PnR, how and when to trap, X and O’s, maybe, maybe not. But for sure if a GM signs a guy and pays him a lot, he doesn’t want to look bad with that dude sitting on the bench.
 
calvin natt said:
I’m not talking about “how to coach”, as much as who, how much, etc. Yes. Coaching them on how to defend a PnR, how and when to trap, X and O’s, maybe, maybe not. But for sure if a GM signs a guy and pays him a lot, he doesn’t want to look bad with that dude sitting on the bench.
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I started off my post agreeing with you.
 
hoopsjock said:
Not once have I ever claimed to know everything, but thanks for being a dick about it.
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Of course you turned this into something personal and that was never the intention. Because i happen to feel you are exceptional when it comes to certain issues regarding the NBA.
Also now you have turned the entire conversation into something completely different with this statement.
hoopsjock said:
Ahhhhh yes, the old "you're not privy to what is being forced on the coaches" argument.
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That is not what the original post was about at all. Go back and read the post and see if it says anything about "Forcing the coach to do something".
Hint- The original post was about the Business and the money they make off a game that a lot of people can't see or even relate to.
It's more than just a business. It's an entire industry that touches you in ways you don't even consider. From the way cities are run to the way we deal with infrastructure to prospects of other types of industries benefitting from it.
You should see some of the numbers that run across my desk daily. You would be shocked at what kind of revenue a team like the Blazers actually can bring to this city. It's mind boggling at times.

Now lets take it to the simple statement. " Not privy to what the coach is forced to do". Lets say you have 500 million to a Billion dollar stake in something? Do you think you would be on the phone if things were being handled in a way you don't prefer?
What if you were a city leader holding office and some decisions were being made that were having effect on the way you run the city or even if you were up for re-election and you needed some things to happen?
Would you want everyone watching to know what was being said and done? Simple. The answer is No.
 
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kjironman1 said:
Of course you turned this into something personal and that was never the intention. Because i happen to feel you are exceptional when it comes to certain issues regarding the NBA.
Also now you have turned the entire conversation into something completely different with this statement.


That is not what the original post was about at all. Go back and read the post and see if it says anything about "Forcing the coach to do something".
Hint- The original post was about the Business and the money they make off a game that a lot of people can't see or even relate to.
It's more than just a business. It's an entire industry that touches you in ways you don't even consider. From the way cities are run to the way we deal with infrastructure to prospects of other types of industries benefitting from it.
You should see some of the numbers that run across my desk daily. You would be shocked at what kind of revenue a team like the Blazers actually can bring to this city. It's mind boggling at times.

Now lets take it to the simple statement. " Not privy to what the coach is forced to do". Lets say you have 500 million to a Billion dollar stake in something? Do you think you would be on the phone if things were being handled in a way you don't prefer?
What if you were a city leader holding office and some decisions were being made that were having effect on the way you run the city or even if you were up for re-election and you needed some things to happen?
Would you want everyone watching to know what was being said and done? Simple. the answer is No.
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I think it's pretty clear Olshey is telling Stotts he wants us to play in a conservative drop coverage.
 
riverman said:
That's where I'm at..but respect for opposing opinions concerning Stotts fans is seriously lacking ...it is a Fire Stotts thread....as a big fan of Stotts I'll express why I'm a fan...more people spend time trying to sell me on why he's never going to have success than agree to disagree...hence...debates happen
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He's never had success as a head coach though.

One conference finals in 9 years. A what... 34% win percentage in the playoffs if I remember correctly.

Hell... not even a conference Finals game won. At all.

Hes not a championship level coach. I can be proven wrong, but Dame is gonna have to carry him there like he has had to for everything else stotts has "earned".

Bottom line. Stotts only has a job because of Dame. Stotts would be out of the league if it wasn't for him.
 
Strenuus said:
He's never had success as a head coach though.

One conference finals in 9 years. A what... 34% win percentage in the playoffs if I remember correctly.

Hell... not even a conference Finals game won. At all.

Hes not a championship level coach. I can be proven wrong, but Dame is gonna have to carry him there like he has had to for everything else stotts has "earned".

Bottom line. Stotts only has a job because of Dame. Stotts would be out of the league if it wasn't for him.
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He's had success as a head coach..he's having success now....there are lots of players who disagree with you and Dame isn't the team as much as people want to frame it that way...Stotts as an assistant has coached Dirk to a ring and under Karl been to the finals with the Sonics....been to the conference finals two seasons ago with a one armed center and Dame with a strained abdomen....yeah....not sold. Terry Stotts will have a job the day after he ever gets fired here...which I don't think is happening ever. You really think Tyrone Lue and Frank Vogel are championship level coaches? Ok...then
 
BonesJones said:
Sorry KJ but how was this not intended to be personal?
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I can apologize for that if that seems personal. I have absolutely no problem with that.
I can respect being called out on it if you or Hoops feels that was a personal insult.
Hoops is one of if not the best poster i know of when it come to Contracts and trades. I've said it many times. I didn't really feel that was an insult.
He is the "Cats Meow" in my opinion on certain issues. Just not every issue.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm guessing he has nothing but praise for his coaches and his teammates.
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He only really talked about those 4. A little bit about Ant and Marcus Smart.

To paraphrase his Stotts comments around the 7:20 mark (since this is the Stotts thread):
  • He's played for 8 head coaches in 10 years (he has more insight than most of us - certainly me).
  • Coach Terry and his staff are his favorite for sure.
  • They always keep it real. They tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.
The last bullet is nearly the polar opposite from what is suggested. If he were asked directly about the coaches or accountability, I would give it no real value, but this was more or less unprompted and could have just as easily been left off.
 
Tince said:
He only really talked about those 4. A little bit about Ant and Marcus Smart.

To paraphrase his Stotts comments around the 7:20 mark (since this is the Stotts thread):
  • He's played for 8 head coaches in 10 years (he has more insight than most of us - certainly me).
  • Coach Terry and his staff are his favorite for sure.
  • They always keep it real. They tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.
The last bullet is nearly the polar opposite from what is suggested. If he were asked directly about the coaches or accountability, I would give it no real value, but this was more or less unprompted and could have just as easily been left off.
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Gonna take Devils advocate here.
First- Kanter is well known to always say decent things about his current situation. It doesn't make it wrong but most will say he says that everywhere.
Second- 8 coaches in 10 years also might not be considered a good thing.
Third- Keeping it real and telling you what you need to hear isn't equating to wins in the playoffs, but i must admit the last time Kanter played here they did indeed win in the playoffs.

I think i got that right? Feel free to add something i might have missed?
 
Maybe Sportstwo should start a petition demanding changes be made even now.
 
Hoopguru said:
Maybe Sportstwo should start a petition demanding changes be made even now.
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Not sure it would even grow legs here? Only 31% say he needs to go on the poll at the top. That leaves him almost 70% at top 20 or better and or hoping he improves.
The Very Loud minority seem to be just that. A minority.
 
e_blazer said:
Who knew? I think @wizenheimer is actually Stephen A. Smith:

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c'mon now...I've never advocated Portland trading Lillard which is SAS's big thing. And the notion that Dame/CJ won't ever be enough to contend is a pretty commonly held view around here; and the evidence is the last 5 years of Blazer basketball and Blazer playoffs
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon now...I've never advocated Portland trading Lillard which is SAS's big thing. And the notion that Dame/CJ won't ever be enough to contend is a pretty commonly held view around here; and the evidence is the last 5 years of Blazer basketball and Blazer playoffs
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True, but the combination of the CJ and Stotts opinions just reminded me of you. From now on I'm going to read your posts in SAS voice just for kicks and giggles.
 
e_blazer said:
True, but the combination of the CJ and Stotts opinions just reminded me of you. From now on I'm going to read your posts in SAS voice just for kicks and giggles.
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that's actually pretty funny but I want to point out I've never been a big advocate for firing Stotts. There are a couple dozen posters here who have pushed a lot harder for Stotts being gone than I have. I think 9 years is enough time for Stotts, but it's not the level of burning passion that I have for Olshey being fired
 
wizenheimer said:
that's actually pretty funny but I want to point out I've never been a big advocate for firing Stotts. There are a couple dozen posters here who have pushed a lot harder for Stotts being gone than I have. I think 9 years is enough time for Stotts, but it's not the level of burning passion that I have for Olshey being fired
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Hmm. Maybe I have to read @Natebishop3 's posts in SAS voice?
 
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