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Blazers Roy said:
Dave Joerger doesnt have a job right now.
Not sure he fits with players like Dame and CJ who need the green light all the time, but i'll take him over Stotts.
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Not sure how I feel about Joerger but I was sort of surprised that he got fired in Sac. The young players were coming a long.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Not sure how I feel about Joerger but I was sort of surprised that he got fired in Sac. The young players were coming a long.
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He showed flexibility too, from running a slow-rigid-defensive system in Memphis he decided to implement a fast-gunning team in Sacramento because he realized his personnel was different.

Stotts came to Portland from Dallas and decided LaMarcus was going to be Dirk and everything else will fall into place.

About Joerger losing his job - No one can tell for sure, but this game and his relationship with Hield played a role in his departure:



Because Joerger is basically Anti-Stotts, he's pissed that Hield didnt make a solid play and instead chose to fire a deep three with a hand in his face on a cold shooting night.
(of course Hield is an idiot because he had a teammate completely open below the basket on the last play to tie it).

Stotts (or D'Antoni for that matter), would never do such a thing because they rate their player confidence and the final result BEFORE solid team play and player accountability.

Will be an interesting coaching switch for sure in my opinion, i think CJ and Dame are old enough to understand that point of view now.
 
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riverman said:
When you integrate 9 new rotation players with 3 core players you can expect passes to be off the mark or guys to not see them coming...that's going to take court time to smooth out
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I agree and I’m sure the team will show grit and rally down the road plus there could be a trade or two and who knows when Nurk will be back.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Stotts (or D'Antoni for that matter), would never do such a thing because they rate their player confidence and the final result BEFORE solid team play and player accountability.
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Eh, just because you aren't yelling at a player in front of 18,000 fans and teammates doesn't mean you aren't holding guys accountable.

Personally, I always respected managers who would work with me one-on-one rather than try and make an example of me. I think that's generally Stotts' style too.

It has its pros and cons. I think if a guy just needs some tactical changes, behind the scenes is better. If somebody is doing something that runs counter to what the group stands for, public often works better.

But you also have to factor in the player (or employee's) overall value. If you are managing NBA stars or heart surgeons, you better do EVERYTHING behind closed doors, because frankly they matter more than you do.

Unless, of course, you are Popovich, in which case you pretty much do whatever you want.
 
mook said:
Eh, just because you aren't yelling at a player in front of 18,000 fans and teammates doesn't mean you aren't holding guys accountable.

Personally, I always respected managers who would work with me one-on-one rather than try and make an example of me. I think that's generally Stotts' style too.

It has its pros and cons. I think if a guy just needs some tactical changes, behind the scenes is better. If somebody is doing something that runs counter to what the group stands for, public often works better.

But you also have to factor in the player (or employee's) overall value. If you are managing NBA stars or heart surgeons, you better do EVERYTHING behind closed doors, because frankly they matter more than you do.

Unless, of course, you are Popovich, in which case you pretty much do whatever you want.
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Are you insinuating that Stotts holds elaborate video sessions in which he explains to players what they did wrong?
 
Blazers Roy said:
Are you insinuating that Stotts holds elaborate video sessions in which he explains to players what they did wrong?
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I don't think anyone here would dispute the Blazers watch film on most games. Unless someone on the board is allowed to go to those video sessions, there is no way of knowing what is said in them. Any organization would be dumb to communicate these things with the public and tip off their opponents.

Measuring a coaches ability to hold players accountable is very subjective and I'm doubtful many people could find a metric that could support if Stotts is or is not holding players accountable. Maybe techinical fouls? Even that I wouldn't buy. The best argument most people make is "the eye-ball test" which again can be used to support either side of the debate, so throw that out.
 
Tince said:
I don't think anyone here would dispute the Blazers watch film on most games. Unless someone on the board is allowed to go to those video sessions, there is no way of knowing what is said in them. Any organization would be dumb to communicate these things with the public and tip off their opponents.

Measuring a coaches ability to hold players accountable is very subjective and I'm doubtful many people could find a metric that could support if Stotts is or is not holding players accountable. Maybe techinical fouls? Even that I wouldn't buy. The best argument most people make is "the eye-ball test" which again can be used to support either side of the debate, so throw that out.
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There has been numerous games where Stotts benched Nurk in a 4th quarter or was seen chewing out Meyers or Nurk during a timeout. So your theory about him doing it behind closed doors isn't accurate.

The truth is that Dame and CJ aren't held to that same standard. Now the question is do they deserve special treatment? From Stotts point of view it was certainly smart to keep those two happy. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing. You can also make the case that his options have been limited for production if he does say bench CJ in a 4th quarter. That means it's possible to argue that he shouldn't hold them accountable but that's a different argument than if he does.

Coaches like Phil and Pop always held their stars accountable.
 
jlprk said:
You should subtract Blazer efficiency minus opponent's efficiency.
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I would have if I wasn't responding to someone commenting about how bad Portland's offense was. I thought I was try to address the posters point directly instead of diverting to another point after the data disproved their theory.
 
hoopsjock said:
There has been numerous games where Stotts benched Nurk in a 4th quarter or was seen chewing out Meyers or Nurk during a timeout. So your theory about him doing it behind closed doors isn't accurate.

The truth is that Dame and CJ aren't held to that same standard. Now the question is do they deserve special treatment? From Stotts point of view it was certainly smart to keep those two happy. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing. You can also make the case that his options have been limited for production if he does say bench CJ in a 4th quarter. That means it's possible to argue that he shouldn't hold them accountable but that's a different argument than if he does.

Coaches like Phil and Pop always held their stars accountable.
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This is a very odd response. You'd think because Stotts has not played at starter down the stretch or got on a 10th man is proof that he does hold players acccountable (which is what the poster I was replying to said), but isn't proof that he would come out and make public comments about what a specific player did poorly in reviewing film. A great way to lose you team is to pull a Mike Leech and throw your guys under the bus to the media.

You should read Phil Jackson's book and see if he described holding players accountable by ripping them in the media or having discussions behind close doors and finding them liteature that might help get his message across. Regardless, asking a coach to try to be like another coach in how they communicate with their players probably isn't the answer.

We all could point to examples of something good or bad happening and say that it's a sign of Stotts accountability or lack of accountability, but all we'd be doing is trying to fit outcomes to match our narrative. Instead, someone should come up with criteria in advance that would prove or disprove if he holds people accountable and see what the outcome is. I doubt anyone will do that though because they'll realize that it's almost impossible to do.
 
I refuse to watch any more games until Stotts or Oshay has been fired.
 
Ok. So after Nassir was good on Siakam, but Stotts refused to give him 4q - as a standard NBA coach procedure - now he put him on Harden?
I'm confused.
 
I just watched the Dallas vs Houston game and wow, Rick Carlisle is a great coach, they send double teams at harden whenever he crossed the half court line and he had no choice but to pass the ball, Rockets had no idea what to do, same like us. And on offense the ball was moving pretty well, they found an open shooter multiple times. I'm so fucking jealous
 
ABM said:
Got it. Thibs is the answer. The End.
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You know that Thibs demanded a very specific type of personality, locker room culture, and talent set from his players?

he’s not just gonna show up and turn Dame, CJ, Anthony and Hood into elite defenders.
 
Blazers1977 said:
You know that Thibs demanded a very specific type of personality, locker room culture, and talent set from his players?

he’s not just gonna show up and turn Dame, CJ, Anthony and Hood into elite defenders.
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Sorry about that. I forgot green font
 
Tince said:
I would have if I wasn't responding to someone commenting about how bad Portland's offense was. I thought I was try to address the posters point directly instead of diverting to another point after the data disproved their theory.
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Okay, I see, good answer.
 
Labinot41 said:
I just watched the Dallas vs Houston game and wow, Rick Carlisle is a great coach, they send double teams at harden whenever he crossed the half court line and he had no choice but to pass the ball, Rockets had no idea what to do, same like us. And on offense the ball was moving pretty well, they found an open shooter multiple times. I'm so fucking jealous
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Maybe someone should start a “Super Luka to Portland Thread (Now w/Extra Fiber)”? It eventually worked for Melo.
 
Since the front office won't fire Terry after signing an extension this past summer the only way to get out of his contract and let Olshey off the hook is to trade him for a 2nd round pick. What team would be willing to do that?

Knicks if they fire Fizdale?

Bulls? Their coach said Stotts was a top-3 coach, lol.
 
hoopsjock said:
Since the front office won't fire Terry after signing an extension this past summer the only way to get out of his contract and let Olshey off the hook is to trade him for a 2nd round pick. What team would be willing to do that?

Knicks if they fire Fizdale?

Bulls? Their coach said Stotts was a top-3 coach, lol.
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This is actually a great idea. I'm sure plenty of teams would make this trade.
 
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