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hoopsjock said:
Since the front office won't fire Terry after signing an extension this past summer the only way to get out of his contract and let Olshey off the hook is to trade him for a 2nd round pick..
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or, get compromising pictures of him and HCP's wife....or maybe even HCP
 
Our team just gave him a extension. He needs to go as soon as possible
 
I've always liked Stotts for many reasons, but the iso ball the team is playing this year has me so disinterested that I wouldn't be upset if he was fired. This offense reminds me of the Sargent Nate iso ball offense that I also hated.
 
Reep said:
I've always liked Stotts for many reasons, but the iso ball the team is playing this year has me so disinterested that I wouldn't be upset if he was fired. This offense reminds me of the Sargent Nate iso ball offense that I also hated.
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This year?!?! C’mon man, what have you been watching since Stotts was hired?
 
blazedanugz said:
You mean when CJ entered the lineup? Yeah agreed
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interesting notion that I haven't looked at before....Blazer NBA rank in assists/game:

2012-13 - 21st (Stotts 1st year; Dame's rookie season)
2013-14 - 9th
2014-15 - 12th (last year of Aldridge team; Injuries to Matthews and Lopez)
2015-16 - 21st (CJ's 1st year as starter)
2016-17 - 23rd
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 25th
2019-20 - 29th

there does seem to be a correlation between when CJ became option 1b and when the Blazers passing game cratered
 
SIeepwalker said:
Stotts motto = "let the players do what they want"

also known as "not doing my job"
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It's better known as the McMillan methodology.

Step 1: Have superstar guard
Step 2: Iso superstar guard
Step 3: Ride superstar guard to success
Step 4: Fail when teams trap superstar guard
Step 5: Rinse and repeat until team finally fires you or you wear out superstar guard.
 
wizenheimer said:
interesting notion that I haven't looked at before....Blazer NBA rank in assists/game:

2012-13 - 21st (Stotts 1st year; Dame's rookie season)
2013-14 - 9th
2014-15 - 12th (last year of Aldridge team; Injuries to Matthews and Lopez)
2015-16 - 21st (CJ's 1st year as starter)
2016-17 - 23rd
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 25th
2019-20 - 29th

there does seem to be a correlation between when CJ became option 1b and when the Blazers passing game cratered
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What’s even more depressing is that Stotts has been the Blazers coach for eight seasons now. Eight seasons. Let that sink in. No, this is not Greg Popovich (.680), Erik Spoelstra (.595), or Rick Carlisle (.548) - coaches that have won championships with their current teams. This is Terry Stotts - he of the 0.510 career winning percentage, ZERO championships, and career 20-36 playoff coaching record (including sweeps in the last three postseasons).

Some of you will point to the .510 winning %age and say that’s good, maybe even great for a coach. However, it took Stotts a full 10 seasons before he even reached .500. That’s not good by any metric. Extrapolated out, his current career winning %age equates to approximately an average of a 42-40 record over the course of his entire head coaching tenure. Mediocre at best and hardly the sign of a HOF coach like many in this forum make him out to be.

Heck, even the two guys behind him on the list of longest tenured NBA Coaches have a better winning percentage - Doc Rivers (.579) & Brad Stevens (.556).

You would have to get to Brett Brown before you found a coach on that longest tenured list with a worse career winning percentage. And I don’t think anybody in this forum would consider Brett Brown a good coach.

So why the f&$k does Terry Stotts still have a job? What has he accomplished in his 8 years with the team? And why does the organization feel so blindly loyal to this man? I’m genuinely asking because I can’t, for the life of me, understand why he’s been retained for this long.
 
brooklynballer said:
What’s even more depressing is that Stotts has been the Blazers coach for eight seasons now. Eight seasons. Let that sink in. No, this is not Greg Popovich (.680), Erik Spoelstra (.595), or Rick Carlisle (.548) - coaches that have won championships with their current teams. This is Terry Stotts - he of the 0.510 career winning percentage, ZERO championships, and career 20-36 playoff coaching record (including sweeps in the last three postseasons).

Some of you will point to the .510 winning %age and say that’s good, maybe even great for a coach. However, it took Stotts a full 10 seasons before he even reached .500. That’s not good by any metric. Extrapolated out, his current career winning %age equates to approximately an average of a 42-40 record over the course of his entire head coaching tenure. Mediocre at best and hardly the sign of a HOF coach like many in this forum make him out to be.

Heck, even the two guys behind him on the list of longest tenured NBA Coaches have a better winning percentage - Doc Rivers (.579) & Brad Stevens (.556).

You would have to get to Brett Brown before you found a coach on that longest tenured list with a worse career winning percentage. And I don’t think anybody in this forum would consider Brett Brown a good coach.

So why the f&$k does Terry Stotts still have a job? What has he accomplished in his 8 years with the team? And why does the organization feel so blindly loyal to this man? I’m genuinely asking because I can’t, for the life of me, understand why he’s been retained for this long.
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I agree with all of this, except I think Brett Brown is kind of a good coach, lets face it his “bad record” is mostly due to, “The process”.

I think Dame is loyal to a fault with Stotts, I can sort of appreciate that, IMO Stotts is gone after the Pelican series if Dame wanted that to happen.
 
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Meyers comparing Portland's offense to Miami's. The problem is if you know who the final option will be when you follow a system then your opponent most likely knows it as well. And this is our problem. We don't surprise anybody. There is no movement. Miami is so fun to watch this year and although they don't have the shot makers we do they manage to post a very good Off Rating which together with their great D makes them a team very tough to beat.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I agree with all of this, except I thinkBrett Brown is kind of a good coach, lets face it his “bad record” is mostly due to, “The process”.

I think Dame is loyal to a fault with Stotts, I can sort of appreciate that, IMO Stotts is gone after the Pelican series if Dame wanted that to happen.
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Doing well in the playoffs last year was a double edged sword, because while it was exciting to watch, it kept this group around another year. I think last summer was the time to break things up. But Neil isn't going to blow it up after a WCF run. Dame has been carrying this team through many chances and honestly more appropriate times to make significant changes.
 
The reason CJ and Dame don't want Stotts gone another coach might stop all that free lancing this 2 do in games. It is alright take someone off the dribble once in awhile but this 2 does it to much especially if there shot not going down. This team doesn't run offense majority the time but when they due by moving players around and good ball they been getting good shots.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Simple answer - Dame wants him around.

It's that simple.

If Dame wanted him gone (which will never happen) he would be gone.
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If true, and I’m not disputing that it isn’t, this is another reason why this franchise will never win a championship with this current group of players and management. It’s analogous to the old “lunatics running the asylum” expression. There’s a reason why players are paid to play, coaches are paid to coach and managers are paid to manage. If somehow this has been distorted and that power has now almost exclusively shifted to the players (who coaches them, how they’re coached, the offensive and defensive sets they run, the personnel they bring in, etc) then the entire management team (Olshey, assistant managers, Stotts, assistant coaches, etc) must go IMO.
 
GDiama said:


Meyers comparing Portland's offense to Miami's. The problem is if you know who the final option will be when you follow a system then your opponent most likely knows it as well. And this is our problem. We don't surprise anybody. There is no movement. Miami is so fun to watch this year and although they don't have the shot makers we do they manage to post a very good Off Rating which together with their great D makes them a team very tough to beat.
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Notice that the Lakers are #1 in isos, a much-maligned feature of our offense.
 
brooklynballer said:
If true, and I’m not disputing that it isn’t, this is another reason why this franchise will never win a championship with this current group of players and management.
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Other than that other teams have way more talent?
 
We, like 80% of NBA teams, are stuck in the middle-ground. Not consistently bad enough to get high picks (and of those teams, most fuck it up anyway) or one of the lucky couple of teams that are "destinations" for FAs, like the Lakers or Miami. We luck into the odd very good player chosen not in the top 3 (as have the Bucks, for example) and we do what we can with him. We're actually luckier than most because he hasn't demanded to be traded.

If we lucked into the next generational talent (as have the Bucks and the Mavs), then you start worrying about the coach.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If we lucked into the next generational talent (as have the Bucks and the Mavs), then you start worrying about the coach.
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what makes you think it was just luck?

14 other teams could have drafted Giannis , but Milwaukee made the choice. For all we know they might have made the same selection if they would have had the 3rd pick. Teams make their own luck, good or bad. The Blazers could have Dame and Giannis; instead, they have Dame and CJ

as far as Dallas and Doncic, Cuban was maneuvering for months to get into a position to draft Doncic. Dallas traded a 5th pick and a 10th pick in order to land Doncic. That's doesn't look like luck but rather, excellent management.
 
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brooklynballer said:
What’s even more depressing is that Stotts has been the Blazers coach for eight seasons now. Eight seasons. Let that sink in. No, this is not Greg Popovich (.680), Erik Spoelstra (.595), or Rick Carlisle (.548) - coaches that have won championships with their current teams. This is Terry Stotts - he of the 0.510 career winning percentage, ZERO championships, and career 20-36 playoff coaching record (including sweeps in the last three postseasons).

Some of you will point to the .510 winning %age and say that’s good, maybe even great for a coach. However, it took Stotts a full 10 seasons before he even reached .500. That’s not good by any metric. Extrapolated out, his current career winning %age equates to approximately an average of a 42-40 record over the course of his entire head coaching tenure. Mediocre at best and hardly the sign of a HOF coach like many in this forum make him out to be.

Heck, even the two guys behind him on the list of longest tenured NBA Coaches have a better winning percentage - Doc Rivers (.579) & Brad Stevens (.556).

You would have to get to Brett Brown before you found a coach on that longest tenured list with a worse career winning percentage. And I don’t think anybody in this forum would consider Brett Brown a good coach.

So why the f&$k does Terry Stotts still have a job? What has he accomplished in his 8 years with the team? And why does the organization feel so blindly loyal to this man? I’m genuinely asking because I can’t, for the life of me, understand why he’s been retained for this long.
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Stotts is .558 with Portland. I don't fault him for the terrible situations he was saddled with in Atlanta and Milwaukee.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
We, like 80% of NBA teams, are stuck in the middle-ground. Not consistently bad enough to get high picks (and of those teams, most fuck it up anyway) or one of the lucky couple of teams that are "destinations" for FAs, like the Lakers or Miami. We luck into the odd very good player chosen not in the top 3 (as have the Bucks, for example) and we do what we can with him. We're actually luckier than most because he hasn't demanded to be traded.

If we lucked into the next generational talent (as have the Bucks and the Mavs), then you start worrying about the coach.
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Question for everyone (not directed at just you @Rastapopoulos):

If a team doesn't win a championship with a generational talent, was that player really a generational talent or is it the organization's fault (or is it a case by case basis)?
 
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