For or Against Abortion?

[thedude9990]

i dont feel like rading through all the posts. i read some on the 1st page, i like what thrilla said "Abortion will either be legal or illegal. If you feel as though its necessary in certain situations, then it has to stay legal."

I have to say though that i am for it. I am for it because either way you look at it, its the same thing. If a 15 year old gets pregnent and can't feed the kid and the kid dies isnt it the same thing as killing it while its still in the mother? And also everyone talks about how every kid should live and tehres other alternatives, such as adoption. Theres only so many adoption centers with so much space would you really want to over crowd them until the point that kids don't have proper care and will suffer anyways, and the kid will always have the thought that why didn't my parents want me. And im sure if you had a daughter who got pregnent at 13-18 with no education and had the chance to get an abortion and was willing all parents would want the abortion no matter what they say during issues.

 

[umair]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">
Oh don't give me its the womans fault if a baby is born and they have to take care of it. If they really don't want a child then they should have a choice to not get one if everything is already "set in place".</div>

Well what im saying throughout all my posts is that.. If someone chooses to be pregnant they should want to take care of their child and raise it. Its a point where you have to make the decision. When you choose to have the child..you should raise it and not go through abortion because imo its wrong to bring a child to the world then have it go trough abortion after making the decision to have the child and raise it.. when ur raped..u dont want the child..then you go through abortion.. i dont really care about abortion.. its the decision of the women..when your raped..then you go through abortion because you didnt want the child..but when you choose to have the child..then its wrong to go through abortion imo..Thats all.

 

[Chutney]

Not everyone who has sex is choosing to be pregnant. Nobody who actually chooses to be pregnant (by that I mean, they are planning to have a baby) has an abortion. There's too much generalizing in these debates.

 

[umair]

You guys know what?? I really dont care about abortion.. It is the woman's choice..

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If a 15 year old gets pregnent and can't feed the kid and the kid dies isnt it the same thing as killing it while its still in the mother?</div>

No its actually way different.

 

[thedude9990]

why is it diffent both ways they suffer and die

 

[Chutney]

The fetus doesn't suffer. In fact, it isn't even fully formed yet if it is legally aborted.

 

[Chuck]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">

The mother should always have the choice to decide.</div>
Thank god someone isn't a young Republican like their parents who haven't made up their own minds yet

I probably wouldn't ever get my child aborted, but the choice for abortions should definitely be there.

Okay, pro-abortion people (you aren't pro-life, you're pro-abortion) let me ask you this. We can admit that even if abortion is made illegal, abortions will never really end, right? They'll just be basically home remedies for abortion. Coathangers, bleach, hell, people believe anything they hear. Shouldn't women have the ability to get a SAFE abortion performed by a medical doctor if they so choose? What gives you the right to stop them from doing this?


Also, abortion is not comparable to murder... Because... fetuses... are... not... alive... You're trivializing murder when you say that they're the same thing.

 

[NTC]

I wouldnt say I'm for Abortion, but I think it should be the mothers choice. If she doesnt want to have the baby, then she should have the ability to choose wether she wants to have it or not.

 

[umair]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt say I'm for Abortion, but I think it should be the mothers choice. If she doesnt want to have the baby, then she should have the ability to choose wether she wants to have it or not.</div>
Yea i agree on that..

 

[Avery]

Yes and No.

Is it fair to the baby? HELL NO! But at the same time when you have a case when a sick dude rapes a 10 year old girl and she gets pregnant, yes this is true and yes a 10 year old did get pregnant then you have to have the abortion, because come on. But anyways personally, it depends, I think it's up to the parents. I ALMOST agreed on it, I'm happy i didn't though.

 

[NTC]

Well put it this way, is it fair for a mother to give birth to a child, not being able to provide it with food or shelter?

 

[TheFreshPrince]

^^That is the problem i have with having abortion be illegal. So many more people will be put on the streets, and children will have to grow up malnurited (sp?) and likely extremely neglected.

 

[Run BJM]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^That is the problem i have with having abortion be illegal. So many more people will be put on the streets, and children will have to grow up malnurited (sp?) and likely extremely neglected.</div>
That's a good point, being on the streets isn't as bad as dying but putting more people on the streets will only lead to a higher crime rate. Charles Manson was the son of a 16 year old prostitute who didnt want him, look how he turned out.

 

[Shard]

I don't support abortion at all... but I do support a woman's choice. So many factors can go into child birth that it's not our right to tell every woman in the world that they cannot abort their child. Pro-Life people act like it's so easy for the mom to just abort kids left and right... it's a life changing decision and incredibly hard for anyone.

It's too dynamic of an issue to put a ban on it... give it stipulations MAYBE but still leave it up to the mother.

 

[Mag]

Pro-choice for me as well. I am totally against abortion, but in different situations, people make different choices. Not to drag religion into it, but everything will eventually be handled by God. A woman may escape being punished here, but her time will come.

 

[umair]

Sorry to bump this back up, but I am currently doing a Research Project on a controversial issue and I chose Abortion as my controversial issue. I have to find 3 articles supporting my argument, 3 against my argument. So I was doing a little search around the internet, and I thought of the time we had this thread, so I decided to bump it back up to see what you guys think of abortion. Once, I am done with my project, I will give a well thoughout reasoning behind my argument as I've read tons of different sources both for/against abortion. So what is your opinion on abortion?

 

[barfo]

I am for abortion in all cases, even if the mother wants to bear the child.

barfo

 

[Денг Гордон]

This is pretty simple. Abortion is murder. Murder is not protected under our right to privacy, therefore abortion should be illegal. There should probably be an exception for rapes cases.

If you want to make an argument for the thing inside the woman's stomach as not living, then fine. But I think it is quite clear that at some point that thing in the stomach is living. So the people in this camp have to go and determine at which point the thing in the stomach is actually living. They can't hide under the veil of, "well we can't determine this, so abortion should be legal"...nope, at some point here we no they are committing murder, so you have to take the better safe than sorry and ban all abortion.

 

[¹²³]

If abortion is murder, why should be exceptions for rape cases?

 

[speeds]

Life doesn't begin at conception and abortion isn't murder. No heart beat = no child.

(Souls don't exist either)

 

[Denny Crane]

Life does begin at conception, even with a single cell or two there is DNA of a unique individual. A baby is a baby 1 second after birth and 1 second before birth. If you work backwards from that 1 second before birth, it is always a baby human being - all the way back to conception.

Is abortion murder? No. It is justifiable homicide. For whatever reason the woman chooses, it is ultimately her choice to share her body with the fetus or not. It can't be put any simpler than this.

 

[bbwMax]

For me I have always said it depends on the situation. I'll take the two extremes. Firstly If some Dumb woman wants to go out Drinking and Flirting with every man and gets pregnant by Consented sex then its her own fault, its up to her (and possibly the father) to bring up that child.

BUT

If a woman were to have unConsented Sex I.E. Rape then she should have a choice, IMagine if that woman was in a loving relationship with a man and they eventually wanted children but this Rapist has Forcefully Impregnated a Woman then I for one would not so much Hate the Child but I would always feel a slight Resentment to it.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Life does begin at conception, even with a single cell or two there is DNA of a unique individual. A baby is a baby 1 second after birth and 1 second before birth. If you work backwards from that 1 second before birth, it is always a baby human being - all the way back to conception.

Is abortion murder? No. It is justifiable homicide. For whatever reason the woman chooses, it is ultimately her choice to share her body with the fetus or not. It can't be put any simpler than this.

The woman consents to share her body with the fetus when she decides to have sex, with rape being the sole exception.

 

[speeds]

Life does begin at conception, even with a single cell or two there is DNA of a unique individual. A baby is a baby 1 second after birth and 1 second before birth. If you work backwards from that 1 second before birth, it is always a baby human being - all the way back to conception.

DNA is not life.

 

[Denny Crane]

DNA is not life.

A cell with DNA in it IS life A cell can die, it feeds, it reproduces, etc.

It is the DNA that determines what the life is, be it plant or animal or even human.

 

[Denny Crane]

The woman consents to share her body with the fetus when she decides to have sex, with rape being the sole exception.

You talk like women have sex only to get pregnant, which isn't true.

So, no she doesn't.

 

[speeds]

A cell with DNA in it IS life A cell can die, it feeds, it reproduces, etc.

It is the DNA that determines what the life is, be it plant or animal or even human.

A bowl of bread, a jar of tomato paste, a plate of cheese, and some basil are on a table. You can mix them together and still not have a pizza--just the potential for a pizza.

 

[JE]

Abortion is the mother's right. As already said, no heartbeat = no life, and as a result, its not murder.

 

[JE]

This is pretty simple. Abortion is murder. Murder is not protected under our right to privacy, therefore abortion should be illegal. There should probably be an exception for rapes cases.

So you are okay with murdering babies (as you put it).


If you support 'exceptions', then you're okay with abortions. You just support killing babies for this reason and not for that reason.