For or Against Abortion?

[NJNetz]

I'm for it.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Abortion is the mother's right. As already said, no heartbeat = no life, and as a result, its not murder.

Then what are we getting into with the definition of life?

A carrot doesn't have a heart beat, but it's a living organism.

 

[JE]

Then what are we getting into with the definition of life?

A carrot doesn't have a heart beat, but it's a living organism.

We eat carrots. I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

 

[Денг Гордон]

You talk like women have sex only to get pregnant, which isn't true.

So, no she doesn't.

They may not go in with the intent of getting pregnant, but they give their consent to getting pregnant when they have sex.

 

[Денг Гордон]

We eat carrots. I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

The argument that a fetus is not living so it's okay to terminate it is bunk, because it clearly is living.

 

[Денг Гордон]

So you are okay with murdering babies (as you put it).


If you support 'exceptions', then you're okay with abortions. You just support killing babies for this reason and not for that reason.

We would need to come with a long term plan to eliminate abortion completely, including in rape cases, by increasing adoption by reforming the system and making improvements in the technology of artificial wombs.

 

[JE]

They may not go in with the intent of getting pregnant, but they give their consent to getting pregnant when they have sex.

False.

We would need to come with a long term plan to eliminate abortion completely, including in rape cases, by increasing adoption by reforming the system and making improvements in the technology of artificial wombs.

No sir. No woman should have to bear a rape child.

 

[Chutney]

We can quantify what we mean by life though. The moment of conception does signal the creation of a living thing; an organism. But that doesn't mean its a human life. It lacks the cognition, awareness, consciousness, etc. that are fundamental characteristics of human beings. Like speeds said, its more like life with the potential to become human life.

I think you have to try to recognize both facts (that it is life, but not human life) when approaching abortion. There's nothing wrong with prioritizing the mother's condition over that of the fetus, because one is a human being with all the characteristics that are implied when we speak of human rights. We have to recognize the negative impact this can have on a female. Nevertheless, we can't trivialize the importance of that potential human life.

That's why I support the right to abortion while opposing the haphazard, lackadaisical attitude that many hold towards it. We really need to emphasize the seriousness of the decision and eliminate this perception that abortion is just another type of "morning-after pill." I don't know how you'd legislate that though. I'm not even sure how you'd draw the line between serious and lackadaisical attitudes towards abortions either.

 

[WarriorFan]

Abortion is the mother's right. As already said, no heartbeat = no life, and as a result, its not murder.

I heard my daughter's heartbeat at 8 or 10 weeks and at 20 weeks was able to count her fingers and watch her move on the ultrasound. The fetus has a heartbeat and is very much alive.

I'm personally very much agianst abortion but I don't think it's the government's place to decide for everyone.

 

[GMJ]

I am for abortion in all cases, even if the mother wants to bear the child.

barfo

lol, damn I was going to post something similar.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I heard my daughter's heartbeat at 8 or 10 weeks and at 20 weeks was able to count her fingers and watch her move on the ultrasound. The fetus has a heartbeat and is very much alive.

I'm personally very much agianst abortion but I don't think it's the government's place to decide for everyone.

I was under the assumption the heart didn't start beating until the baby had been delivered, at which point it magically becomes a baby instead of a fetus.

 

[WarriorFan]

I was under the assumption the heart didn't start beating until the baby had been delivered, at which point it magically becomes a baby instead of a fetus.

You may be thinking of breathing (I'm not sure) but I am 100% certain she did have a heart beat. It's pretty crazy hearing it. When she was further along, you could even hear her heartbeat speed up when my wife or I talked.

 

[WarriorFan]

I was under the assumption the heart didn't start beating until the baby had been delivered, at which point it magically becomes a baby instead of a fetus.

sorry, sarcasm's hard to pick up when I'm at work skimming through posts.

 

[Denny Crane]

A bowl of bread, a jar of tomato paste, a plate of cheese, and some basil are on a table. You can mix them together and still not have a pizza--just the potential for a pizza.

"proof" by analogy isn't much in the way of proof, but ... if you mix them altogether and don't bake it, it's still a pizza.

Without the analogy, it's good for the sperm and egg (if they mix, it's a human).

We can quantify what we mean by life though. The moment of conception does signal the creation of a living thing; an organism. But that doesn't mean its a human life. It lacks the cognition, awareness, consciousness, etc. that are fundamental characteristics of human beings. Like speeds said, its more like life with the potential to become human life.

You don't have cognition, awareness, consciousness, etc., when you're asleep, or in a coma, or brain damaged. Or before the age of 2 weeks, probably

 

[Денг Гордон]

False.



No sir. No woman should have to bear a rape child.

So you think all, or most women don't know that you can get pregnant from sex?

 

[JE]

So you think all, or most women don't know that you can get pregnant from sex?

I think they know, but I'm fairly sure that getting pregnant isn't their objective when having sex.

 

[JE]

I heard my daughter's heartbeat at 8 or 10 weeks and at 20 weeks was able to count her fingers and watch her move on the ultrasound. The fetus has a heartbeat and is very much alive.

I'm personally very much agianst abortion but I don't think it's the government's place to decide for everyone.

So go through with the abortion in six weeks or less. That's plenty of time.

 

[speeds]

if they mix, it's a human

A human can be cloned from a flake of my skin or a piece of my hair. He would be my duplicate, but still a human. Uniqueness is not required. A fertilized egg is just ingredients for a person.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I think they know, but I'm fairly sure that getting pregnant isn't their objective when having sex.

As I said. They may not going into sex with the intent of getting pregnant, but they give their consent to getting pregnant when they agree to have sex.

 

[¹²³]

As I said. They may not going into sex with the intent of getting pregnant, but they give their consent to getting pregnant when they agree to have sex.

Not really. If people are using birth control methods they are not giving their consent to getting pregnant.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Not really. If people are using birth control methods they are not giving their consent to getting pregnant.

Yes they are, because they know that there is the possibility that the birth control could fail, as stated on the packaging.

 

[speeds]

Yes they are, because they know that there is the possibility that the birth control could fail, as stated on the packaging.

There is a difference between consent and an acceptable risk. When you get onto a plane you're not giving the pilot your consent to crash, but you are aware of the risks involved (hopefully!).

 

[Moo2K4]

Talk about bumping an old thread...wow.

FWIW...I'm pro-choice.

 

[rocketeer]

i'm against abortion.

choice is important but the choice is having sex. one potential consequence of sex is pregnancy. i don't feel like we should end lives just as they are beginning because someone was too dumb to use birth control when having a baby would be inconvenient for them.

but there are exceptions and there is no contradiction in having them. in the case of rape, abortion should be allowed. in that case there was no choice for the woman and forcing her to have the child against her will just wouldn't be right.