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I dont have a problem with them raising a kid. They are going to love it just as if they were a man and a woman. I mean, I couldn't see two gay guys raising a male child, but I can see every other situation possible.

The marriage issue is another cup of tea. I think they shouldn't been seen as officially married but they can become partners for life or something along those lines.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 50:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont have a problem with them raising a kid. They are going to love it just as if they were a man and a woman. I mean, I couldn't see two gay guys raising a male child, but I can see every other situation possible.

The marriage issue is another cup of tea. I think they shouldn't been seen as officially married but they can become partners for life or something along those lines.</div>
I agree with that. I'm not sure that gays would stop fighting for marriage though because I'm sure alot of them see this as more of matter of principle. Sure they could create their own version of marriage but then it may lead to them having to do other things separately which essentially goes back to segregation.

Also, although many genuinely want to keep marriage the way it is and should be (by the church's definition its for unitive and pro-creative purposes) theres still alot of people who would oppose a homosexual sacrament type of thing that is similar to marriage because they don't think homosexuals should be together at all.

It's a touchy subject so there may not be any answers for a long time. To be honest I'd like to see some closure relatively soon whether it be for or against gay marriage. But if I were to take a stance I would be for gay marriage.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course the problem with that is that the government would be indirectly promoting a certain type of lifestyle, culture, and set of moral values. That defeats the point of freedom of choice and values. What would "normal" be? What the majority of the population accepts? If that were the case, wouldn't we just be marginalizing the opinions of minorities and people with different viewpoints? </div>The problem I have is that there is nothing wrong with the marraige system that has been in place for hundreds of years. You can't begin to start changing things based upon the beliefs of a certain group of people, especially when the beliefs are based on sexual preference. I look at homosexuality in the same light as beastiality and pedophilia, as in it's a sexual perversion that is obviously not intended since there's no chance of procreation. The only difference being that most of our modern society has chosen to accept homosexuality as an acceptable sexual lifestyle.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't have it both ways, in my opinion. If you allow homosexuals to live in your society, then you have to grant them all of the rights of every other citizen. I find people tend to bring their own preferences and morals into this legal issue. I myself am not homosexual and find the concept kind of disgusting. But, I can't justify imposing my own beliefs onto others in a democratic society. The idea of picking and choosing what gays are allowed to do is the worst part too. It reminds me of apartheid in South Africa, where blacks were allowed to live as citizens but shoved off to specific, non-urban, locations and only given certain freedoms. Obviously its not too that extent, but if we start awarding fundamental freedoms and rights based on how well a person fits in, we are betraying the whole idea of freedom of opinion and choice in democracy. Everyone has a part of their life that is not of the majority, whether it concerns religion, race, relationships, politics, etc. I don?t see denying gays their right to marry being any different than punishing the minority in any of those categories.</div>We will never see eye to eye on this because we have different beliefs. You are relating it to race, but I would never be able to do that since I feel as though being gay is a choice, and your race is not. If somebody could prove to me with 100% certainty that people were born gay, then I'd agree with you. But I can't get myself to believe that the human brain is capable of instinctly attracting itself to a member of the same sex. And until it can be proven, I think that homosexuality should be treated in the same way that other bizarre sexual activities are treated.
 
I don't believe people are born gay, I believe it's a decision that's made.

I had a friend once that was bangin' broads left and right...then I move away from VA for a year and he's gay? You're not born like that...it's a decision you make.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Because it's not an acceptable way of life. Everybody is raised to believe that a family consists of a father, a mother, and a child. That's a family...not two fathers and an adopted child nor two mothers and an adopted child. It's just not right, it doesn't fit in society. If gay marriage is legalized, ever...you'll see a huge spike in gay hate crimes. You'll see a huge spike in playground fights, even. You'll see a huge spike in assualts and batteries. You'll see a huge spike in vandalism. It's not acceptable through most of society, it just won't work without bloodshed.</div>
So single-parent families shouldn't be considered acceptable? Obviously, that's not what you meant, but you're making it an awfully strict definition.

Well, you're arguing against gay adoption, not marriage. There's no guarantee that a married gay couple will eventually want children. That said, I still don't see why a gay couple should be denied the right to raise children if they have shown to be just as capable in parenting. I mean, how could you force a child to grow up in an orphanage without a family, while a loving gay couple is ready to take them in, just to protect what is "right?" What is right anyway? Homosexuality doesn't hurt others and gays are still productive members of society. And since when have we outlawed things, because they don't fit in society? On one side people complain about how the voices of racial minorities and the poor are ignored, but then we want to supress a similarily mistreated minority in homosexuals.

Was integrating blacks into society after segregation worth the intense riots, hate, and violence it temporarily spawned? There's a reason you won't find homosexuals who are afraid to seek their equal rights from fear of hate and violence: they are tired of being treated as half-citizens simply because they live a lifestyle that offends people.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">The problem I have is that there is nothing wrong with the marraige system that has been in place for hundreds of years. You can't begin to start changing things based upon the beliefs of a certain group of people, especially when the beliefs are based on sexual preference. I look at homosexuality in the same light as beastiality and pedophilia, as in it's a sexual perversion that is obviously not intended since there's no chance of procreation. The only difference being that most of our modern society has chosen to accept homosexuality as an acceptable sexual lifestyle. </div>
Unfortunately, procreation is no longer the sole purpose of sexual relations and marriage in modern society. Straight couples enjoy the ability to have sex without reproducing and may live their lives married without raising children. Therefore, I don't see why we should hold homosexuals up to this standard when society as a whole now lives under an evolved, more accepting concept of marriage.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">We will never see eye to eye on this because we have different beliefs. You are relating it to race, but I would never be able to do that since I feel as though being gay is a choice, and your race is not. If somebody could prove to me with 100% certainty that people were born gay, then I'd agree with you. But I can't get myself to believe that the human brain is capable of instinctly attracting itself to a member of the same sex. And until it can be proven, I think that homosexuality should be treated in the same way that other bizarre sexual activities are treated.</div>
Suprisingly enough, I'm not totally convinced that homosexuality is born. And believe me, I was hesitant to equate the issue to racism. But the fact is that I've never met a homosexual that has been able to control their feelings and return to being straight. And some of them have wanted nothing else other than to be "normal," to avoid the prejudice and shame they are forced to live with. It may not be the same as race, but the reactions against it are startlingly similar. I suppose I'd take the opposite position of your's, in that until we find out that homosexuality is a condition that is abnormal and can be reversed/healed, I can't justify treating gays as a defection in society that should be treated differently than any of us.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't believe people are born gay, I believe it's a decision that's made.

I had a friend once that was bangin' broads left and right...then I move away from VA for a year and he's gay? You're not born like that...it's a decision you make.</div>
Theres no proof either way. If it was a choice why didnt he continue to keep "banging broads left and right"? I believe that most homosexuals are born attracted to people of their own sex. I can't see many people deciding to choose to be attracted to people of their own sex when they are physically attracted to those of the other sex, there is no benefit to being homosecual so if its a choice I would imagine most would choose heterosexuality.
 
You guys, there is proof now that homosexuals are born that way. It is not a choice, and by you guys thinking it is just wrong. I am not gay, but if i was, i would probably want to get married. This isnt about if it makes you feel gross inside, people dont learn to be homosexuals, its innate.

How would you all feel if it wasnt respectable for black people to marry other black people, and vice versa for every other race. Everyone thought it was gross and wrong and kids raised by these couples would learn to be black or white or whatever.

How does it affect YOU?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">So single-parent families shouldn't be considered acceptable? Obviously, that's not what you meant, but you're making it an awfully strict definition.</div>

I am confused here, I have no problem with single-parent families. Two of my best friends where raised by their mothers after their fathers walked out.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, you're arguing against gay adoption, not marriage. There's no guarantee that a married gay couple will eventually want children. That said, I still don't see why a gay couple should be denied the right to raise children if they have shown to be just as capable in parenting. I mean, how could you force a child to grow up in an orphanage without a family, while a loving gay couple is ready to take them in, just to protect what is "right?" What is right anyway? Homosexuality doesn't hurt others and gays are still productive members of society. And since when have we outlawed things, because they don't fit in society? On one side people complain about how the voices of racial minorities and the poor are ignored, but then we want to supress a similarily mistreated minority in homosexuals. </div>

It's my personal opinion. I think if society does allow gays to get married, they shouldn't be able to adopt children as a couple. It's not the way a child is supposed to be raised. For two thousand years, families have been known as a mother, father, and a child. Why change it now? There's no just reast to change it now.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Was integrating blacks into society after segregation worth the intense riots, hate, and violence it temporarily spawned? There's a reason you won't find homosexuals who are afraid to seek their equal rights from fear of hate and violence: they are tired of being treated as half-citizens simply because they live a lifestyle that offends people.</div>

They live a lifestyle that offends people, but they also live a lifestyle of increased health risks. Gay men are more likely to get HIV than straight men. It's not healthy, I don't think it's a healthy way to raise a child. 90% of gay parents who want to raise a child will more than likely raise that child believieng being gay is the perfect way to be. When little Johnny goes to 6th grade and people start cracking your mom jokes, he's going to be lost. Then they'll find out and Johnny will be subject to mass ridicule. Surely anybody who loves a child wouldn't put him through that, right?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Theres no proof either way. If it was a choice why didnt he continue to keep "banging broads left and right"? I believe that most homosexuals are born attracted to people of their own sex. I can't see many people deciding to choose to be attracted to people of their own sex when they are physically attracted to those of the other sex, there is no benefit to being homosecual so if its a choice I would imagine most would choose heterosexuality.</div>

I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't believe that one minute you love girls, you love sex with them, you love anything with them...and then a year later you're gay? It makes no sense to me.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys, there is proof now that homosexuals are born that way. It is not a choice, and by you guys thinking it is just wrong. I am not gay, but if i was, i would probably want to get married. This isnt about if it makes you feel gross inside, people dont learn to be homosexuals, its innate.

How would you all feel if it wasnt respectable for black people to marry other black people, and vice versa for every other race. Everyone thought it was gross and wrong and kids raised by these couples would learn to be black or white or whatever.

How does it affect YOU?</div>

Homosexuality isn't a race, don't bring race into this. Too many times is race thrusted into an issue that it has no basis being in.

How does it affect me? I go to school to learn. I don't go to school to have "Silence Day" in support of gays, lesbians, trans, emo's, cutters, etc. That's not why I go to school. If I wanted to have a "Straight Day," the school would more than likely shut it down.

I also don't want to raise my kids in an environment where homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality. A family is a father, a mother, and a child. I don't want my children thinking it's ok for a father, father, child. That's not what a family is, it's never been a family definition, and it's not time to change that. If you're gay, you must face the realities of it. Even if gay marriage is legalized, you think it'll be any more acceptable by society? If anything, it'll be less acceptable.
 
First of all gay marriage was legal in ancient rome and persia, not exactly two thousand years of straights only.and second of all how does making you gay make you more likely to get HIV/AIDS? It is the same process either way.and finally kids are already being raised be gay parents and turning out straight/gay whatever just like normal kids.

Your kids are already under that impression. It's not like if gay marriage is all of sudden legal everywhere more people will become gay and adopt. Gay's and their lifestyles will not be slowed down by this being illegal. They will still be gay
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all gay marriage was legal in ancient rome and persia, not exactly two thousand years of straights only.</div>

Is this ancient Rome? Be honest with me. When you think of family, do you think of a mother/father or a father/father?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and second of all how does making you gay make you more likely to get HIV/AIDS? It is the same process either way.</div>
Is this a joke? It's the same process? A woman has two holes a man can enter with his penis. She has a vagina and an anus. A male has one hole...an anus. Anal sex, legally called sodomy, is a HIV feasting ground. Your chances at getting HIV during anal intercourse greatly increase than vaginal intercourse, even with a condom.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and finally kids are already being raised be gay parents and turning out straight/gay whatever just like normal kids.</div>

Normal kids aren't gay. A normal boy has a crush on a girl, but is too embarrassed to admit it. A normal kid goes on his first date @ about 14. A normal kid has sexual desires for a woman when he goes through puberty. Being gay isn't normal, that's why it's called an alternative lifestyle.
 
The ancient rome thing was because someone said that marriage has been sacred for thousands of years, but gay marriage has been going on forever was my point

On the gay men and HIV thing i heard that the whole thing on gay men being more likely to get HIV was a myth

And gays raise straight kids all the time. BTW did you all of a sudden hate that friend of yours who turned out gay. He was your friend for your whole life.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I really don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I think gay "marriage" is wrong. If people out there choose to be gay, then nothings stopping them, but the government should never recognize them as a "married" couple.

Recognizing them in that way indirectly accepts their relationship as a normal one, even though the gay lifestyle is and always should be an alternative lifestyle. I fully believe that homosexuality is not an innate characteristic. I think it's merely a culture that some people choose to be a part of. These people's minds allow them to enjoy an abnormal activity such as gay intercourse, so they lead a gay lifestyle.

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Just because certain people decide they aren't attracted to the opposite sex doesn't mean they should be afforded the same rights and privileges as normal people. Nobody is asking them to become straight, they just shouldn't have their relationships recognized by the government as official "marriages", and definitely shouldn't be allowed to raise children as is they are a "family".</div>

Couldn't have said it better.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">

How does it affect YOU?</div>


most intelligent comment made in the entire thread.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why would anyone care? I am curious on why people care about gay people getting married. I mean it doenst affect me or any other straight person
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Well the biggest argument is that after marriage usually a family comes, and the idea of two fathers with no mother or two mothers with no father doesn't sit well with people ............with that being said, I think "gay rights" in general is overdramatized....I realize gays get discriminated against....but it's not on the level of discrimination against people with color.......I'm not against gay people or homosexuals, because I know plenty and they're all really good people and they've all treated me great, but I just think gay discrimination is kind of overrated.....jus my 2 cents.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How do people feel about homosexual slander words, such as ***, dike, queer, fairy? Do these words push the limit and deserve more of a punishment than callling someone a spic, ******, or wop? Or should it be taken the same way as racism?
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I don't use words like those, because I think it's wrong to make fun of someone, but being gay and being a person of color, are TOTALLY two different things......as a black person I can honestly say that gay people haven't been and aren't going through what black people have had to endure in this country......it just brings me back to my point that I think it's overdramatized in the media......discrimination against gays is a problem, but not what some try to make it out to be.....there or more important issues that need to be dealt with rather than arguing about gay marriages.


And as far as gay being an instinctive trait or something learned, I have to lean towards the latter, for the simple fact some of my lesbian friends, turn lesbian for the simple fact that they had a bad relationship or two with a man, and they see no other alternative route other than being gay.
 
I couldn't care less if gay people wanted to get married, as long as they couldn't adopt kids. Nobody would want two gay dads now would they? Sure they might do the same job of raising the child but the kid is going to be ripped on for the rest of his life.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">The ancient rome thing was because someone said that marriage has been sacred for thousands of years, but gay marriage has been going on forever was my point</div>

Marriage is sacred. What do you think of when you think of marriage? A father and a mother. Not two dudes. Two guys don't make families, they can't.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">On the gay men and HIV thing i heard that the whole thing on gay men being more likely to get HIV was a myth</div>

It's very true. A gay man has to put his penis where another man craps, that is so unsanitary.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And gays raise straight kids all the time. BTW did you all of a sudden hate that friend of yours who turned out gay. He was your friend for your whole life.</div>

We don't talk much anymore, it's not because he's gay. He got pissed at me because I moved.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He got pissed at me because I moved.
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maybe he liked you....lol.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">maybe he liked you....lol.</div>

LOL eww. I never thought of that. I've been hit on by many homosexual men. Especially at Subway, I used to always get free sandwiches with extra meat.
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yeah...that's disgusting.
 
How come none of you guys metion two females raising a kid as disgusting and wrong, all i am seeing is a kid with two dads would get ripped on, well so do kids with dead beat dads, like alcoholic's and whatnot
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">How come none of you guys metion two females raising a kid as disgusting and wrong, all i am seeing is a kid with two dads would get ripped on, well so do kids with dead beat dads, like alcoholic's and whatnot</div>

That is disgusting and wrong, but I think majority...when thinking of gay people...think of men. A man is often reffered to as gay...a woman is often reffered to as a lesbian. It's just a mental image.

What's the point about dead beat dads? I'm not getting that.
 
kids at school get made fun of for having a dad or mom that is a dead beat like a drunk or something. my point that your definition of a family has the same complications as a family were the child is raised by homosexuals
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">kids at school get made fun of for having a dad or mom that is a dead beat like a drunk or something. my point that your definition of a family has the same complications as a family were the child is raised by homosexuals</div>

In my personal opinion, I think a kid would be ridiculed more for being raised by two homos than having a dead beat dad/mom. I would guess that at least every family has one alcoholic or dead beat in their family, including aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. I think being a drunk is a little more acceptable in society than being gay. It's just the way it works
 
^^ i agree with you there, but i was just trying to prove that kids will be ridiculed in school about EVERYTHING, so having gay parents cant be that much worse imo. Plus i am sure everyone in their high school days that would have been a lot more popular if their parents were gay and they werent so wierd.
 
I don't think the ridicule for being gay/being raised by gay parents would be slightly worse than being raised by a dead beat. I think it's be severly worse. Society today doesn't accept being gay as a normal way of life. That's why it's called an alternative lifestyle. Gay's are always being beat, tormented, abused, whatever you want to call it. I think a student raised by a gay couple would be ridiculed JUST as much as a gay student would.
 
^^Maybe like five years ago, but now i am not sure. I know a few kids in high school that just get sh** from everyone, a lot less then the kids who get ripped on for being gay (or thought to be)
 
I think it's perfectly fine. I think if someone wants to be with someone they truly love, they should be allowed to regardless of gender. I think the only people have who problems with gay marriage are the older folks, or young kids influenced by these kind of parents. It's just different and weird to them. I believe our generation, or most of it won't mind it. We're more open to everything and more willing to accept things.
 
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