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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Once you've become baptized, you're required to have all 5. Until then, it doesn't matter as much. I'm currently unbaptized and I have 3 (uncut hair, the iron bracelet, and the small comb).</div>
Well the undergarment one isn't too hard, boxers don't count right? (or else I'm sure you would have said you follow 4 of 5) do they have to be longer? I'm guessing the kirpan can be more difficult, just because it is surprizing to see someone carrying it around although my Sikh friend always had it under his clothes, I rarely saw it and it was always sheathed.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not an absolute requirement, like in Islam, but it definitely helps to provide a greater appreciation for the religion. I went when I was in Grade 1 and it looks like I might go this winter.</div>
The Golden temple is only gold plated right? If it was made entirely of gold, I would imagine it would be a target for theives, even though it is surrounded by water and only has one bridge to it, as well I'm sure many many Sikhs visit it daily.

Was it gold plated when it was finished construction by the 5th guru (I think it was the 5th)?

I think that will be enough questions for now
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Both, not totally against, unless they are planning on adopting children...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the undergarment one isn't too hard, boxers don't count right? (or else I'm sure you would have said you follow 4 of 5) do they have to be longer? I'm guessing the kirpan can be more difficult, just because it is surprizing to see someone carrying it around although my Sikh friend always had it under his clothes, I rarely saw it and it was always sheathed.</div>
There's a special one that you an buy at a temple. It's a little longer and different than normal boxers. Currently, I'm still rolling with my Hanes.

The kirpan's going to be bigger adjustment. You notice the difference more, and it leads to more of a hassle at places like the airport, etc.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">The Golden temple is only gold plated right? If it was made entirely of gold, I would imagine it would be a target for theives, even though it is surrounded by water and only has one bridge to it, as well I'm sure many many Sikhs visit it daily.</div>
Yea, it is gold plated.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">Was it gold plated when it was finished construction by the 5th guru (I think it was the 5th)?</div>
It was contructed by the 5th Guru (Arjan). But, the gold plating and a lot of the marble work was put in during the reign on Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLou11:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that will be enough questions for now
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That's cool. I think we got a little to offtopic for the offtopic thread anyways. PM if you have any more questions.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Being gay is wrong dude. It says it in my religion. It should be man and a woman. If you're happy for them, that's fine, but common, being gay is wrong. I know you wouldn't want to be gay. I am against it.</div>

Just because it says so in your religion, it doesn't necessairily make it wrong. Religious texts are argueably maniuplated to the desire of humans as they have been passed from generation to generation. That could also apply to any influencial text, period. I'm not saying the Quaran has been altered over the course of history but you can't just blindly say it's wrong because your religion says its wrong. If YOU feel it's wrong due to your loyalty to your religion, then ok, that's understandable.

As for "I know you wouldn't wanna be gay", wth? Although I doubt anyone in this forum is actually gay, why would you say a comment like that? Being gay is not "wrong", it's a choice that you make (or are born with, depending on what side of nature vs. nurture you're in)...I personally don't have a problem with it unless the gay idividual is up in my face or invading my privacy/private space. None of that has happened in my life to this point...in fact I have yet to even meet a gay person.
 
^^ I am not telling everyon to belive that being gay is wrong. I am sying I believe that being gay is wrong. I know anyone here wouldn't be gay. Also, wonder if evryone started being gay, and you said you dont have a problem with gay people. Say if eventually everyone became gay, how would we make kids? What will happen to the future generation. We hagve to worry about the future. So I think it would be wrong for people to be gay. Thats just my opinion.
 
This is a very complex issue for most people, and I can understand the arguments on both sides for the most part.

To me, it boils down to something as simple as this: no one should tell you how to run your life, and least of all who you should love and/or marry. I have no problem with it at all.
 
Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right</div>
That should be the least of your worries. The world's population has always been increasing, despite an increasing number of homosexuals. I mean, there's so many people that we can't even get enough people to adopt every orphan.
 
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Say if eventually everyone became gay, how would we make kids?
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I realize you're creating a hypothetical situation, but the chances of that being a reality is extremely slim. No matter how much the population of homosexuals in the world may increase by, I highly doubt they will ever equate to the amount of straight sex male and women in the world. Not everyone is going to turn into a homosexual person....there are a LOT of homophobics out there, and there are a lot of straight people who simply don't care about other people being homosexuals as long as they are not being violated themselves.
 
with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue? does your religion tell u to bypass the hungry and stone homosexuals?
 
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with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue?
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Despite your own opinion, many people may feel like this is a sensitive issue that is worth a debate since the points are so conflicted. Controversial issues that are well-known spawn long discussions.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea but I think if a lot of people become gay, then the world would end soon. There would be no kids. Where would they come from if everyon starts being gay. Thats just my opinion, but you're right</div>

Do you really believe everyone in this world will turn gay? Tell me why being gay is wrong, besides the fact that "the world will end."
 
its just wrong. the world is for a women and a man. how would you make kids with a man and a man?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">This is a very complex issue for most people, and I can understand the arguments on both sides for the most part.

To me, it boils down to something as simple as this: no one should tell you how to run your life, and least of all who you should love and/or marry. I have no problem with it at all.</div>

Then by your theory, incest is normal and accpetable as well? If both people are consenting does that still make it right? Certain things in this world were not meant to be, and I see homosexuality as being similar to incest: it's wrong and it's disgusting.

I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters.

It sickens me that homosexuality is becoming a stylish and trendy thing to do. If they have to be gay, then that's fine, but don't go around wearing bright colours and talking all lispy and advertising it.

Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different?

Don't even get me started on adooption. If the son of two men came to my school, he would have two options:

1) He'd have to hang out with all the fairys if he wanted to be accepted and have friends, thus he would probably turn out gay.

2) He'd be made fun of relentlessly and end up being a social outcast with no friends.

Personally I'd take a foster home over those alternatives.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">with all the dire issues in the world today that need our desperate attention, why is there a 5 page thread devoted to this issue? does your religion tell u to bypass the hungry and stone homosexuals?</div>

Aint that the truth. What does this "sensitive" topic matter anyway. Are you gay? No? Then why do you care if a gay can marry?
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Kind of a stupid subject if you ask me. It's like making homosexuals out to be non-human.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different?</div>

Lol? A human being marrying a human being is completely different than a human marrying a dog.

This is such a retarded topic to worry about it's not even funny. If it doesn't pertain to you then leave it alone. What said person does sexually, doesn't matter to you. What does it really matter what/who said person marries? It's on the same premise that marrying out your own race is wrong. It's stupid and an ignorant way of looking at things to not let homosexuals marry.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters.</div>
This quote sickens me. You act as if homosexuality is a disease. Homosexuality isn't a trend.

"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary."
-Malcolm X

This topic proves there is no equality and respect amongst human beings.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Then by your theory, incest is normal and accpetable as well? If both people are consenting does that still make it right? Certain things in this world were not meant to be, and I see homosexuality as being similar to incest: it's wrong and it's disgusting.

I knew a guy that used to be normal, and was actually a ladies man, but when he joined drama (not to stereotype or anything) and started hanging around with that crowd, he turned gay. It's all influence, and who you hang out with, kind of like emos and cutters.

It sickens me that homosexuality is becoming a stylish and trendy thing to do. If they have to be gay, then that's fine, but don't go around wearing bright colours and talking all lispy and advertising it.

Marriage by definition is the union between a man and a woman. There are all sorts of freaks out there, and if we let gays marry, then soon enough some freak is going to want to marry his dog or something, and, according to some of you, how is that any different?

Don't even get me started on adooption. If the son of two men came to my school, he would have two options:

1) He'd have to hang out with all the fairys if he wanted to be accepted and have friends, thus he would probably turn out gay.

2) He'd be made fun of relentlessly and end up being a social outcast with no friends.

Personally I'd take a foster home over those alternatives.</div>

that was a tangent. since your so adamant about outlawing homosexuality, i'm sure u have scientific findings to attest to your assertions.
 
jhees.... has anyone read the bible story of soddom and gommorah (spelling corrections please) man this is wrong it's just another step forward to a bad society. This is wrong in my eyes and I'm viewing this as if I were to make the decision.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Aint that the truth. What does this "sensitive" topic matter anyway. Are you gay? No? Then why do you care if a gay can marry?
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Kind of a stupid subject if you ask me. It's like making homosexuals out to be non-human.



Lol? A human being marrying a human being is completely different than a human marrying a dog.

This is such a retarded topic to worry about it's not even funny. If it doesn't pertain to you then leave it alone. What said person does sexually, doesn't matter to you. What does it really matter what/who said person marries? It's on the same premise that marrying out your own race is wrong. It's stupid and an ignorant way of looking at things to not let homosexuals marry.


This quote sickens me. You act as if homosexuality is a disease. Homosexuality isn't a trend.

"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary."
-Malcolm X

This topic proves there is no equality and respect amongst human beings.</div>


Because I don't want my kids growing up in a world where there are as many gays as straights, and where it's considered perfectly normal to be gay. I sure as hell don't want my kids to turn out gay because they were so immersed in a society that accepts being gay as being a perfectly normal thing. But hey, that's me and it's my opinion.

I know some nice gay people, my old next door neighbours were gay, and actually had some ceremony that I had to go to about "celebrating their union together". I was always nice to them, but it just wasn't something I agreed with.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">Im against Gay Marriage.</div>
I'm not
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not</div>
I am
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bronbron23:</div><div class="quote_post">jhees.... has anyone read the bible story of soddom and gommorah (spelling corrections please) man this is wrong it's just another step forward to a bad society. This is wrong in my eyes and I'm viewing this as if I were to make the decision.</div>

jhees... have you read the rest of the bible. It says a lot of stuff is wrong. Do you like pork?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">jhees... have you read the rest of the bible. It says a lot of stuff is wrong. Do you like pork?</div>
So Christians aren't allowed to eat pork, is that right?
Im Muslim and couple of my christian friends have asked me why its not right to eat pork, and we get in a conversation...

So I tell them its not right to eat pork, its says so in the Bible also. But, they're always like.. "no it doesn't" ..

So, could you confirm me on that?

Sorry for off-topic post.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">So Christians aren't allowed to eat pork, is that right?
Im Muslim and couple of my christian friends have asked me why its not right to eat pork, and we get in a conversation...

So I tell them its not right to eat pork, its says so in the Bible also. But, they're always like.. "no it doesn't" ..

So, could you confirm me on that?

Sorry for off-topic post.</div>
There was an old covenant as described in the Old Testament, which set apart Israel as a distinct nation, God's nation.

It included many things to help the people remember God in their lives, because the nation of Israel kept turning to false gods and sacrificing to idols. following the Sabbath (on Saturday), other festivals, getting circumcised on the 8th day after birth, passover lamb sacrifice, burnt offerings, not eating fish that do not have fins or scales, not eating birds of prey (eagles, hawks, raven, vultures, etc.), etc. Not eating pork was one of the food restrictions.

The new covenant as described in the New Testament, says in multiple places that all things are clean for us:

<u>Colossians 2:16</u> "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

<u>Mark 7:18-23</u>
18And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
20And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
21"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
22deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
23"All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."

<u>Chapter 14 of Romans addresses this subject:</u>
<u>Rom 14:2-3</u> " 2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only."
3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.

<u>Rom 14:13-17</u>
13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I hope that clears things up for you Pakman.
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FreshPrince - <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">jhees... have you read the rest of the bible. It says a lot of stuff is wrong. Do you like pork?</div>


yes i have read it and i stopped eating pork when i read it I also stay away from alcohol. It also says you should be circumcised but I am not planning on doing that unless I convert to Islam

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Pakman:
So Christians aren't allowed to eat pork, is that right?
Im Muslim and couple of my christian friends have asked me why its not right to eat pork, and we get in a conversation...

So I tell them its not right to eat pork, its says so in the Bible also. But, they're always like.. "no it doesn't" ..

So, could you confirm me on that?

Sorry for off-topic post. </div>

its in the old testament rather than the new that says you shouldn't eat pork I think Leviticus I will post it up when I've looked and the old testament is basically the torah and people say that in the new testament it says its ok to eat pork but its clearly not. I think skip is quoting from the new testament (sorry to tired to read properly) but I have pages that will prove he is wrong about it or if anyone else does. Pork has also been proven not to be helpful to your body by doctors and so on. I'll post up some more info when its not 1 in the morning or ill start a thread in religion.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bronbron23:</div><div class="quote_post">Pork has also been proven not to be helpful to your body by doctors and so on. I'll post up some more info when its not 1 in the morning or ill start a thread in religion.</div>
That is true, pork has parasites in it that can be dangerous for you.
And, getting circumcised can also prevent illnesses.

Most of the Islamic laws are also supported by science.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">
I hope that clears things up for you Pakman.
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It does, but bronbron23 says its from New Testament and Old Testament clearly states that pork is not allowed.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">

It does, but bronbron23 says its from New Testament and Old Testament clearly states that pork is not allowed.</div>

To be honest there are loads of contradictions in the bible between the old and new testament, the eating of clean and unclean meat being one of them. But this can be blamed on statements being ambiguos which, is because of or can be explained by translation from the language it is written in to english, eg. which is why people say jesus was not gods son its just a bad translation and if you look in the bible its written many times "god's son" or "god's sons" when describing prophets eg adam. Or its just the way people like to view things. For example people who like to eat pork will say "it's ok look at this quote from the bible". Put it this way...
Jesus was a practicing hebrew therefore he would of never ate pork... Another point I can make is:
Jesus says in Mathew, that i am not here to make new laws, but to reinforce the laws of those which have gone before, in particular the commandments and those of the pentituch (the first five books of the old testament)(In which pork is condemned, Leviticus), anyone who strays from these laws in the slightest is in eternal hell and anyone who follows them in the slightest is in heaven, these are the laws of moses - a hebrew. My point being that jesus came to solidify the laws made before him therefore in my view you shouldn't eat pork.
I just remembered that we are supposed to be discussing gay marriages so sorry for coming off topic.
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I don't want to hijack this thread, so if you want me to list all the food restrictions of the Old Testament in more detail, or where it is discussed that all foods are clean for followers of Christ. You can pm me, or just make a relevant thread and I'll reply.
 
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