For the LMA-lovers - food for thought.

[blue9]

It's no secret I dislike LMA, so I did a little digging to see whether his scoring leads to wins. I also looked at Nic, since he's my favorite player, just to have a comparison. I don't know how meaningful this is, but I thought it was interesting. Here goes...

When LMA scores 20+ we have won 10 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic scores 20+ we have won 9 times and lost 3 times.

When LMA is our leading scorer we have won 5 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic is our leading scorer we have won 8 times and lost 4 times.

That's all...

 

[Nikolokolus]

That's all huh? And what is that supposed to mean exactly? How did Lillard play in those losses? Was Matthews any good those nights, did Hickson shit the bed, did our bench do anything at all? There's a helluva lot more to wins and losses than comparing your favorite and least favorite players' production.

 

[B-Roy]

What are you trying to prove? Most of the times Nic scores 20+ is when he catches fire from deep. He's much less of a threat to to score than Aldridge, which is affirmed by the defensive attention that opposing teams put on both players.

 

[magnifier661]

My goodness

 

[Further]

And a hardy 'go fuck yourself'

 

[blue9]

Like I said - I just found it interesting. I'm not trying to draw conclusions from this, just figured I'd post it for discussion.
I haven't looked at the numbers for the league, but it seems that typically your best player leads you to wins with his scoring - so far this season that doesn't seem to be the case with LMA.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i wonder what are record is when babbitt and wes shoot 4-21 from 3?

 

[blue9]

And a hardy 'go fuck yourself'

Touched a nerve, eh? How about you talk basketball instead of trying to make things personal?

 

[blue9]

i wonder what are record is when babbitt and wes shoot 4-21 from 3?

If you take Wes out of the equation, just take a look at our W/L record for the season. This was a pretty typical night for Luke (well, except he got more minutes/shots than usual - but his impact was about normal).

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Like I said - I just found it interesting. I'm not trying to draw conclusions from this, just figured I'd post it for discussion.
I haven't looked at the numbers for the league, but it seems that typically your best player leads you to wins with his scoring - so far this season that doesn't seem to be the case with LMA.

often teams go to their marquee player in blowouts or when they are far behind, look at kobe, the lakers suck when he scores 35+, because he does it when he has to, when the rest of the team is laying an egg

common sense

but go ahead and "not draw any conclusions"

 

[RoyToy]

often teams go to their marquee player in blowouts or when they are far behind, look at kobe, the lakers suck when he scores 35+, because he does it when he has to, when the rest of the team is laying an egg

common sense

but go ahead and "not draw any conclusions"

If the OP isn't trying to draw any conclusions from this

And the rest of us certainly aren't

I'm wondering why this thread was even made then. Seems like we all agree it means nothing.

 

[magnifier661]

If the OP isn't trying to draw any conclusions from this

And the rest of us certainly aren't

I'm wondering why this thread was even made then. Seems like we all agree it means nothing.

Yeah just reaching

 

[Further]

Touched a nerve, eh? How about you talk basketball instead of trying to make things personal?

Actually, you are correct that I should not make things personal. Sorry.

 

[blue9]

often teams go to their marquee player in blowouts or when they are far behind, look at kobe, the lakers suck when he scores 35+, because he does it when he has to, when the rest of the team is laying an egg

The difference is we're a winning team and they're a losing team. The leading scorer on a losing team is going to, uh, lead the team in scoring on their way to losses.

 

[blue9]

Actually, you are correct that I should not make things personal. Sorry.

Thank you. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me - I understand that my views on LMA aren't popular. But I really hate personal attacks over stupid disagreements. I can't say I'll never make a derogatory comment about someone, but I try my best not to. If I do, please call me on it.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The difference is we're a winning team and they're a losing team. The leading scorer on a losing team is going to, uh, lead the team in scoring on their way to losses.

wtf are you talking about...

seriously, learn the game, i dont even care if you are a LMA hater, doesnt matter to me at all...what you are saying is idiotic

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Like I said - I just found it interesting. I'm not trying to draw conclusions from this, just figured I'd post it for discussion.
I haven't looked at the numbers for the league, but it seems that typically your best player leads you to wins with his scoring - so far this season that doesn't seem to be the case with LMA.

What is the point in posting statistics that you don't draw conclusions from?

 

[Chuck Taylor]

wtf are you talking about...

seriously, learn the game, i dont even care if you are a LMA hater, doesnt matter to me at all...what you are saying is idiotic

this.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Why the negativity? It's Batum and Lillard's team but having LMA as our 3rd best player is s great privilege (sp?)

 

[blue9]

What is the point in posting statistics that you don't draw conclusions from?

What's the point of a message board?
Anyway - I'm done for the night. Go Blazers! LMA sucks!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's no secret I dislike LMA, so I did a little digging to see whether his scoring leads to wins. I also looked at Nic, since he's my favorite player, just to have a comparison. I don't know how meaningful this is, but I thought it was interesting. Here goes...

When LMA scores 20+ we have won 10 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic scores 20+ we have won 9 times and lost 3 times.

When LMA is our leading scorer we have won 5 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic is our leading scorer we have won 8 times and lost 4 times.

That's all...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

lma scores 20+/nobody else cracks 15/blazers lose

lma scores 20+/batum scores 25 blazers win

what a concept

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Why the negativity? It's Batum and Lillard's team but having LMA as our 3rd best player is s great privilege (sp?)

How is LMA our 3rd best player when he is likely an all-star this year while the other two don't have a realistic chance?

 

[Blazer4ever]

Just my opinion.
I think he's a very good 3rd best player but with Batum's emergence offensively and Lillard having games like tonight's LMA becomes our Chris Bosh or James Harden (with the Thunder) - our very good 3rd best player

 

[Nikolokolus]

More food for thought. LMA is averaging 19 points a game ... so ... I guess that means most nights he scores 20 plus or minus a couple of points. Nic is averaging about 16 ... so he's not scoring as much, but when he does break 20 it's also likely that LaMarcus scores his around his average. So maybe the real lesson is that if Nic and LaMarcus combine for 40 points the Blazers win a lot and when they don't ... they don't.

Earth shattering stuff I'm sure.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Just my opinion.
I think he's a very good 3rd best player but with Batum's emergence offensively and Lillard having games like tonight's LMA becomes our Chris Bosh or James Harden (with the Thunder) - our very good 3rd best player

That is certainly the goal in time but that is not the case currently.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Also, who's our 6th man? Claver? Who's that leader of the 2nd unit and/or the sparkplug off the bench?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Just my opinion.
I think he's a very good 3rd best player but with Batum's emergence offensively and Lillard having games like tonight's LMA becomes our Chris Bosh or James Harden (with the Thunder) - our very good 3rd best player

Whether you like it or not, LMA is this team's best player. Remove him from the lineup and I doubt they have ten wins.

 

[noknobs]

It's no secret I dislike LMA, so I did a little digging to see whether his scoring leads to wins. I also looked at Nic, since he's my favorite player, just to have a comparison. I don't know how meaningful this is, but I thought it was interesting. Here goes...

When LMA scores 20+ we have won 10 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic scores 20+ we have won 9 times and lost 3 times.

When LMA is our leading scorer we have won 5 times and lost 7 times.
When Nic is our leading scorer we have won 8 times and lost 4 times.

That's all...

This is quite interesting. Interesting that you think it's interesting. Seeing as it's not interesting.

Just my opinion.
I think he's a very good 3rd best player but with Batum's emergence offensively and Lillard having games like tonight's LMA becomes our Chris Bosh or James Harden (with the Thunder) - our very good 3rd best player

Even though Aldridge scores more, rebounds more, draws more attention from opposing teams, and shoots a higher percentage than the other two? Yeah that's totally Bosh... Great analogy.

 

[Blazer4ever]

That's a good point, Aldridge is our All-Star so he has to deal with more attention. I agree that he isn't Chris Bosh (also that Batum and Lillard are still not Lebron and Wade) but for us to take it to the next level we have to deal with reality and teams scouting us and Lillard and Batum getting more attention.
What's so good about this team is that we have a great starting five where you can't really double anyone and Lamarcus is a great passer of the double-team, I would like to see Hickson pass more. especially after offensive rebounds that aren't tip-ins.