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So you have no problem with your tax dollars paying for the massive amount of golf that trump plays and the enormous cost to tax payers, or the enormous defense budget in which our budget is more than the next 6-8 highest countries combined? or 25 billion plus for a border wall? or for this administration to take money from programs that were funded by congress and trump tries to divert that money for his wall? No problem with your tax dollars being used that way eh?


I have plenty of problems with that. Going in, though, I didn't see it forthcoming. Kasich has proven to be fiscally responsible. That said, fiscally speaking, I kind of like former governors as presidents. They understand many aspects of governmental management.

See, ol' ABM is not quite as deeply entrenched as one may think. Heh.
 
I have plenty of problems with that. Going in, though, I didn't see it forthcoming. Kasich has proven to be fiscally responsible. That said, fiscally speaking, I kind of like former governors as presidents. They understand many aspects of governmental management.

See, ol' ABM is not quite as deeply entrenched as one may think. Heh.

Many of us did and why choosing a president on a single issue, especially one that was already decided by the supreme court, isn't always a good policy as you may never get your single issue, but you will get all the problems that person brings. Welcome to the last 3 years.
 
I would probably never vote for the Democrats again if there were even a glimmer of hope for an independent candidate to have a fair playing field with the big two..I cannot trust the Republican Party to support progress and unity anymore..I voted Gary Johnson last time but this time I believe that any vote against Trump is not just belief in a party but damage control for the nation as a whole....I urge all voters to vote against the current administration by supporting the leading opposition candidate in the final voting process. I'm hoping it's a candidate that can and will work with Congress, the Senate and the Justice Department without partisan bickering but for the purpose of fixing our infrastructure and repairing our leadership role in the world..as well as rebuilding trust in our own intelligence agencies. Conservatives should be thrilled that they have succeeded in stacking the Supreme Court as it stands.
 
I think you're confusing partisan politics with women's rights and the freedom to choose is a two way door....I'm glad you are free to have as many babies as you want and vote against your opposition...I'm also really glad there's an opposition...the agenda to me is purely freedom of choice...for you and the teen raped by the weird creepy uncle.

To me, human life is precious and shouldn't be simply as disposable as a tampon. Rather than counseling and/or human resources to if-at-all-possible help the mother keep her "unwanted" child, it occurs to me that abortion is the #1 current solution. In other words, "Next!"

BTW, this was a very poignant movie...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unplanned
 
Many of us did and why choosing a president on a single issue, especially one that was already decided by the supreme court, isn't always a good policy as you may never get your single issue, but you will get all the problems that person brings. Welcome to the last 3 years.

Gosh, you're right!

I should have voted for Hillary, darn it all!!
 
Gosh, you're right!

I should have voted for Hillary, darn it all!!

Gosh, I doubt it would be worse. At least we wouldn't hear 10 times a day that the media is the enemy of the people or the constant personal insults to various congressmen and other authorities. The multitude of issues this president has just keep piling up. I'm proud to be an American, but I am definitely not proud to have a president like we do. :blink:
 
shouldn't be simply as disposable as a tampon.
sensationalized statement ABM......walk a mile in someone's not so precious circumstances....you should see the tears and anguish of a traumatized unprepared victim of sexual assault facing this dilemma and give it some serious humanitarian consideration. You should visit a clinic where discarded crack addicted babies are being cared for by volunteers only to suffer and die ...the door is a two way door...the good story and the bad one. Choices are individual and that freedom is precious. Some cultures justify murdering rape victims by public stoning for religious law....I think forcing these problems underground is cruel and inhumane treatment with no consideration for the right to choose one's destiny. Teach your children your truth...at the same time allow others to teach their own truth as well...in America these choices are imperative to our greatness as a society.
 
anti-abortionists have a warped sense of the people having abortions. they in fact do believe its many times "like throwing away a tampon". That is a gross generalization and ridiculous.
 
Gosh, I doubt it would be worse. At least we wouldn't hear 10 times a day that the media is the enemy of the people or the constant personal insults to various congressmen and other authorities. The multitude of issues this president has just keep piling up. I'm proud to be an American, but I am definitely not proud to have a president like we do. :blink:

We'll never know.
 
sensationalized statement ABM......walk a mile in someone's not so precious circumstances....you should see the tears and anguish of a traumatized unprepared victim of sexual assault facing this dilemma and give it some serious humanitarian consideration. You should visit a clinic where discarded crack addicted babies are being cared for by volunteers only to suffer and die ...the door is a two way door...the good story and the bad one. Choices are individual and that freedom is precious. Some cultures justify murdering rape victims by public stoning for religious law....I think forcing these problems underground is cruel and inhumane treatment with no consideration for the right to choose one's destiny. Teach your children your truth...at the same time allow others to teach their own truth as well...in America these choices are imperative to our greatness as a society.

You misread my intent. There are clear differences between what you have described, and someone simply, and arbitrarily, not wanting that child. I had also discussed the counseling and human resources aspects of the situations. There are countless testimonies of girls/women who, when counseled and provided various resources, decided to keep their baby....and SO glad they did.
 
I would probably never vote for the Democrats again if there were even a glimmer of hope for an independent candidate to have a fair playing field with the big two..I cannot trust the Republican Party to support progress and unity anymore..I voted Gary Johnson last time but this time I believe that any vote against Trump is not just belief in a party but damage control for the nation as a whole....I urge all voters to vote against the current administration by supporting the leading opposition candidate in the final voting process. I'm hoping it's a candidate that can and will work with Congress, the Senate and the Justice Department without partisan bickering but for the purpose of fixing our infrastructure and repairing our leadership role in the world..as well as rebuilding trust in our own intelligence agencies. Conservatives should be thrilled that they have succeeded in stacking the Supreme Court as it stands.
Here's the problem for me as someone who votes independent for the most part because I am very much against what the two-party system has turned into.
In my opinion, too many of the currently running Democrats go so far against how I would like the country to run, they all seem pretty far left IMO, which is ok for others but it's much further left than where I want to go. I'd rather vote for a third-party candidate or an independent, then simply use my vote as a vote against someone. I totally understand and respect where you're coming from and what you're saying, it's not that I'd be "upset" if EW, or Biden or really any one of those candidates won, but they certainly wouldn't be getting my vote because I "want" them to win, it would just be because I want Trump to lose.
 
You misread my intent. There are clear differences between what you have described, and someone simply, and arbitrarily, not wanting that child. I had also discussed the counseling and human resources aspects of the situations. There are countless testimonies of girls/women who, when counseled and provided various resources, decided to keep their baby....and SO glad they did.
I don't think I misread anything....I said there are good and bad stories but my point is, both sides need legal recourse for their beliefs and sense of responsibility and one side does not get to dictate that to the other side ….there's nothing more personal or emotionally challenging than making that choice and women in America and across the globe have spoken out to protect that right...as it stands both camps of belief have the same rights....you're saying only the one you subscribe to should. I'm saying it's better off in the hands of professional health care specialists...including counselors...but in reality a 13 year old girl probably doesn't think about sex education or parenting and weird creepy uncle is not seeking counseling and probably slept through sex ed in high school. These issues in society are always case by case issues....for the record I argue this issue with my sister all the time who's a staunch irish catholic and shares your views
 
There are countless testimonies of girls/women who, when counseled and provided various resources, decided to keep their baby....and SO glad they did.

And, I'm sure, there are plenty who had an abortion and believe they made the correct choice given their situation. One size doesn't fit all.

barfo
 
You misread my intent. There are clear differences between what you have described, and someone simply, and arbitrarily, not wanting that child. I had also discussed the counseling and human resources aspects of the situations. There are countless testimonies of girls/women who, when counseled and provided various resources, decided to keep their baby....and SO glad they did.

Counseling is already part of the process, and even if some decided against abortion there were also many who decided to go through with it. In other words, it was THEIR choice, not yours, mine or anyone else. Do you have numbers to show how many decided against abortion after being counseled compared to how many decided to go through with it? It's really irrelevant anyway as the process has worked. Some decided against the abortion. Their choice. Some decided to go through with it, again their choice.
 
I don't think I misread anything....I said there are good and bad stories but my point is, both sides need legal recourse for their beliefs and sense of responsibility and one side does not get to dictate that to the other side ….

I understand, but an issue this critical still needs guardrails in place. I could be mistaken, but I happen to believe, overall, the left want less and less of those (guardrails).
 
Here's the problem for me as someone who votes independent for the most part because I am very much against what the two-party system has turned into.
In my opinion, too many of the currently running Democrats go so far against how I would like the country to run, they all seem pretty far left IMO, which is ok for others but it's much further left than where I want to go. I'd rather vote for a third-party candidate or an independent, then simply use my vote as a vote against someone. I totally understand and respect where you're coming from and what you're saying, it's not that I'd be "upset" if EW, or Biden or really any one of those candidates won, but they certainly wouldn't be getting my vote because I "want" them to win, it would just be because I want Trump to lose.

Are there third-party candidates that you think would actually make a good president if they won?

[I realize that for 2020, the third party candidates have not yet crawled out from under their rocks and exposed themselves, so my question is premature... it's just that the third party candidates we've had in recent decades have not been so much candidates for president as just a vehicle to vote against the two major parties. Which you sort of suggest yourself in your first line above.]

barfo
 
Counseling is already part of the process, and even if some decided against abortion there were also many who decided to go through with it. In other words, it was THEIR choice, not yours, mine or anyone else. Do you have numbers to show how many decided against abortion after being counseled compared to how many decided to go through with it? It's really irrelevant anyway as the process has worked. Some decided against the abortion. Their choice. Some decided to go through with it, again their choice.

It's certainly one thing to be counseled, provided various resources (assistance and care for the child)...even adoption options....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to simply advocating for abortion. And don't think that doesn't happen. I'm wanting the abortion decision to be one of the last case scenarios.... not among the first.
 
I understand, but an issue this critical still needs guardrails in place. I could be mistaken, but I happen to believe, overall, the left want less and less of those (guardrails).
For only freedom of choice? Because I see lots of "guardrails" the left would like to establish (re-establish now that Trump has eliminated them), for the environment, taxation of the rich, and corporate greed. Just not the kind of "guardrails" you or the republicans care about.
 
Are there third-party candidates that you think would actually make a good president if they won?

barfo

That's a really good question, barfo. I'm probably more of an Independent as both parties have let me down in various ways. The potential issue and question there for me is....would said third-party candidate actually pull from the Republican voters (as it would from me), as opposed to from the Democratic side? Obviously, I still lean right.
 
For only freedom of choice? Because I see lots of "guardrails" the left would like to establish (re-establish now that Trump has eliminated them), for the environment, taxation of the rich, and corporate greed. Just not the kind of "guardrails" you or the republicans care about.

Obviously, Trump ain't your Mama's Republican.
 
It's certainly one thing to be counseled, provided various resources (assistance and care for the child)...even adoption options....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to simply advocating for abortion. And don't think that doesn't happen. I'm wanting the abortion decision to be one of the last case scenarios.... not among the first.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. The woman is supposed to advocate for an abortion instead of having one? What does that mean?

barfo
 
having traveled this great country extensively, and spending time in some...weird places...and considering what i see going on right now, i will make the case we need more abortions.
 
having traveled this great country extensively, and spending time in some...weird places...and considering what i see going on right now, i will make the case we need more abortions.

Retroactive abortions.

barfo
 
Not sure what you are trying to say here. The woman is supposed to advocate for an abortion instead of having one? What does that mean?

barfo


Sorry, let me re-word that:

....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to following the initial (Planned Parenthood's?) protocol of simply moving forth with abortion.
 
Are there third-party candidates that you think would actually make a good president if they won?

[I realize that for 2020, the third party candidates have not yet crawled out from under their rocks and exposed themselves, so my question is premature... it's just that the third party candidates we've had in recent decades have not been so much candidates for president as just a vehicle to vote against the two major parties. Which you sort of suggest yourself in your first line above.]

barfo
I'm not sure who the current group of candidates are. I actually liked Gary Johnson for the most part. There's certainly some of "voting against" the two parties, but I also find most of the third-party candidates have been Libertarian and I'd typically vote that direction more so than the other smaller parties. Keep in mind I wasn't old enough to vote until 2003, 2004 (I wasn't even in the country for most of the 2004 election cycle I was in Canada) was the first "presidential candidate" I could vote for and I didn't really care enough about this stuff to care until the 2008 election and I don't remember who I voted for then. So your version of "recent decades" doesn't apply to me as much because I haven't even been old enough to vote for multiple decades.

edit: If Tulsi was a third party Candidate, I may go that way? I don't know I'm not super comfortable with her either (though I think the Russia stuff is kind of nonsense with her)...

Also, I am absolutely for having another strong party in the US. So I get it, I'm sort of voting against something or could be, but in my mind, I'm voting for things and changes I'd like to see. Think any time we vote were voting for and against something or someone I can't really get around that completely.
 
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having traveled this great country extensively, and spending time in some...weird places...and considering what i see going on right now, i will make the case we need more abortions.

Super easy call.
 
It's certainly one thing to be counseled, provided various resources (assistance and care for the child)...even adoption options....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to simply advocating for abortion. And don't think that doesn't happen. I'm wanting the abortion decision to be one of the last case scenarios.... not among the first.

You have no idea if it's a first decision or a last decision though. You are assuming everything is how you view it. Have you ever gone through the process? I know females who have. Bottom line, it's also legal as decided by the supreme court. It went to the highest court in the system for a decision and you may not like the decision, but that's how the democratic process is suppose to work. It would be one thing if a lower court had made the decision and want to try and push it up to a higher court, but it already went to the highest. I didn't like the results of this last election and want a re-vote, but I understand that's never going to be an option and only can hope he gets voted out in the next election and with this guy possibly impeached for his violations.
 
Sorry, let me re-word that:

....and in the final analysis the mother still chooses aborting the child, as opposed to following the initial (Planned Parenthood's?) protocol of simply moving forth with abortion.

I see, so what you are trying to say is that Planned Parenthood tells women "Welcome to P.P. You say you are pregnant? Then you need an abortion."

I expect that's bullshit.

barfo
 
I see, so what you are trying to say is that Planned Parenthood tells women "Welcome to P.P. You say you are pregnant? Then you need an abortion."

I expect that's bullshit.

barfo

Easy for you to say.

I doubt you'd ever watch this movie, but....

 
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