Freeman: Qualifying Offer For Blazers G Eric Maynor "Unlikely"

[mgb]

Who is the magical FA we're saving for? Mayo? I'm fine with Matthews. Pekovic? I'd rather develop Leonard. Bynum? Too risky. The other Bynum? Not a better fit than Maynor.

Oden.

 

[mgb]

I wouldn't even risk that on him. The guy just had surgery on BOTH knees after sitting out the entire season to date. With our medical staff, his career would be over the second he signed with us.

Ironically, I was just reading this article where an Orlando writer is praising their GM for passing on Bynum in the Dwight Hoard trade. In that article, he takes the following cheap shot at the Blazers:

"and absolutely, positively don’t ever sign a big man with bad feet and/or bad knees. (Portland Trail Blazers fans should quickly avert their eyes here.) See: Oden, Greg; Bowie, Sam; Walton, Bill."

Not sure why he felt it necessary to include Bill Walton on that list. Sure, injuries cut Walton's career short, but he brought one NBA championship to Portland, which is one more than Shaq and Dwight Howard combined brought to Orlando.

Take THAT, Orlando hack!

BNM

Ya I would take a center siging that would give us only one title. That would double our total!

I would love to be sitting in my seats during a NBA Champiionship!

 

[RR7]

so you guys don't think Olshey has Bynum pegged as a "needle mover" who fits his philosophy of "get the starters right first, then worry about backups" and helps LMA with his "I'm NOT a center" stance?

This is getting into devil's advocate realm, so I'll stop here--but like I said, this would NOT shock me.

I just imagine, if it's 2 years with team option, Philly would probably be willing to go a little higher to retain him, with similar options, but I'd likely take a risk on it. Especially if you got asimilar deal to Roy's, unguaranteed if knee issues arise. Am sure his agent would push back on that.

 

[Boise Blazer]

There is something to be said about the value of even one title. As in how many of us would take one title now even if it set us back 5 years? That would be a very hard choice. One great chance a title by going for it now and being set back for 5 years or building a team that is a serious contender for 5 years and maybe getting no titles?

 

[magnifier661]

Oden.

Lmao that would be funny if he actually did come back to Portland. What would be even funnier is if oden actually played well and we won a championship. Then Pritchard would say "see I told you so!!!!!"

 

[mgb]

There is something to be said about the value of even one title. As in how many of us would take one title now even if it set us back 5 years? That would be a very hard choice. One great chance a title by going for it now and being set back for 5 years or building a team that is a serious contender for 5 years and maybe getting no titles?

I would take the title. Look how long it has been since the last title. We might do five years of one and done if we even do that well.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I don't think Blazers will offer Maynor QO. Too much money to tie up. I think they will negotiate with him aggressively and try to get him signed for a few years at about $3-4M per.

JJ Hickson - I'm not sure whether they bring him back or not. He's not their first choice, as he's not a Championship level Center. He's really a PF. We already have a good one. But I don't think the team is eager to have him leave. He's been really good for us.

My prediction is that we aren't going hard after a UFA. I think we try to make an un-even trade and use our cap space to absorb bigger contracts. Then, we look at re-signing Maynor and Hickson. Just my guess.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think Blazers will offer Maynor QO. Too much money to tie up. I think they will negotiate with him aggressively and try to get him signed for a few years at about $3-4M per.

JJ Hickson - I'm not sure whether they bring him back or not. He's not their first choice, as he's not a Championship level Center. He's really a PF. We already have a good one. But I don't think the team is eager to have him leave. He's been really good for us.

My prediction is that we aren't going hard after a UFA. I think we try to make an un-even trade and use our cap space to absorb bigger contracts. Then, we look at re-signing Maynor and Hickson. Just my guess.

I think that's a good guess. Unless we get the center we wanted. I still think our offseason maybe just adding dalembert and oneal with the amount we have left over.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't think Blazers will offer Maynor QO. Too much money to tie up. I think they will negotiate with him aggressively and try to get him signed for a few years at about $3-4M per.

JJ Hickson - I'm not sure whether they bring him back or not. He's not their first choice, as he's not a Championship level Center. He's really a PF. We already have a good one. But I don't think the team is eager to have him leave. He's been really good for us.

My prediction is that we aren't going hard after a UFA. I think we try to make an un-even trade and use our cap space to absorb bigger contracts. Then, we look at re-signing Maynor and Hickson. Just my guess.

My fear would that someone who is looking for a PG (Which is a lot of teams) offers Maynor a 4 million dollar per contract on Day 1. I do not know who is agent is, but there would be a good chance that they take it.
Then we have more cap room to make a deal, but with an extra need added to the equation. IMO Maynor is the best back up PG we have had in a while. They obviously are not that easy to come by.

What is the last day we can make the QO to Maynor? The end of June and after the draft. It would be nice if Olshey has an agreement put together on draft day. I don't want to take a step backwards.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Maynor and Hickson off the bench would be sweet.

 

[magnifier661]

My fear would that someone who is looking for a PG (Which is a lot of teams) offers Maynor a 4 million dollar per contract on Day 1. I do not know who is agent is, but there would be a good chance that they take it.
Then we have more cap room to make a deal, but with an extra need added to the equation. IMO Maynor is the best back up PG we have had in a while. They obviously are not that easy to come by.

What is the last day we can make the QO to Maynor? The end of June and after the draft. It would be nice if Olshey has an agreement put together on draft day. I don't want to take a step backwards.

I think if we don't extend the QO to mayor; he is good as gone. At the time, there will be a "It's okay, we will get back more with the space"; then next season we will see just how important the loss of Maynor was.

 

[HailBlazers]

Maynor and Hickson off the bench would be sweet.

Yes Siiir, especially with the addition of a good free agent 6th man.

I think if we don't extend the QO to mayor; he is good as gone. At the time, there will be a "It's okay, we will get back more with the space"; then next season we will see just how important the loss of Maynor was.

Hey HCP, got the graphic of Lillard's numbers before and after Maynard?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

No question, letting Maynor go to free agency is a risk. But, there are very few open positions for PG in the league. Maynor will want to feel comfortable, which gives us a leg up IMO.
It's far more important to use the cap space on potential starters first and then worry about the bench.

If we bring back only Hickson and Maynor and add a $3-5M player in free agency - we're fighting for the 8th seed for a long time. It's NOT a good enough roster to really complete for WCF or Finals.
We need to aim higher (like last year with Hibbert). It may mean a step back for a year or two in order to go further forward in year 3-4. Likely!!

 

[Pinwheel1]

No question, letting Maynor go to free agency is a risk. But, there are very few open positions for PG in the league. Maynor will want to feel comfortable, which gives us a leg up IMO.
It's far more important to use the cap space on potential starters first and then worry about the bench.

If we bring back only Hickson and Maynor and add a $3-5M player in free agency - we're fighting for the 8th seed for a long time. It's NOT a good enough roster to really complete for WCF or Finals.
We need to aim higher (like last year with Hibbert). It may mean a step back for a year or two in order to go further forward in year 3-4. Likely!!

Who is that player again we are saving our money for? (Either by unbalanced trade or FA) In my my mind there is the Nene/Okafur scenario. I forgot the other pipe dreams.

 

[Pinwheel1]

OK one more time. (I promise to write it down this time and tape it to my computer)

How much will we have available if we offer ZERO qualifying offers to our FA's?
And ....how much will we have if we only offer it to Maynor?
And how soon can Maynor sign.

The cap hold goes down after Maynor signs, so if he signed for 4 million per, how much would we have for an unbalanced trade in say late July?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

If no one is offered a QO; the Blazers should have about $13M to spend in free agency. Maynor's cap hold is $5.8M. Subtract it from cap space.
If Maynor signs a contract - cap "hold" goes completely away and is replaced by the contract amount.

 

[magnifier661]

If no one is offered a QO; the Blazers should have about $13M to spend in free agency. Maynor's cap hold is $5.8M. Subtract it from cap space.
If Maynor signs a contract - cap "hold" goes completely away and is replaced by the contract amount.

I am hoping that we give the QO; then use Freeland, 2nd rounder or Barton and TE (5 million) to trade for Gortat and Frye. In this scenario we could retain hickson too.

Then resign Maynor for 3 million per, Hickson for 5-6 million per (since we would still have his bird rights) and Have Gortat. Frye is the price of doing business in this scenario.

Starting line-up of: Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Aldridge, Gortat
Bench of: Hickson, Maynor, Claver, Leonard and Frye (most likely not playing though).

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I am hoping that we give the QO; then use Freeland, 2nd rounder or Barton and TE (5 million) to trade for Gortat and Frye. In this scenario we could retain hickson too.

Then resign Maynor for 3 million per, Hickson for 5-6 million per (since we would still have his bird rights) and Have Gortat. Frye is the price of doing business in this scenario.

Starting line-up of: Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Aldridge, Gortat
Bench of: Hickson, Maynor, Claver, Leonard and Frye (most likely not playing though).

I am almost positive that you can't combine the Trade Exception (TE) with another player in a trade. In this case we shouldn't need to though since we would have the cap space (assuming you took out Frye).

 

[Natebishop3]

I am hoping that we give the QO; then use Freeland, 2nd rounder or Barton and TE (5 million) to trade for Gortat and Frye. In this scenario we could retain hickson too.

Then resign Maynor for 3 million per, Hickson for 5-6 million per (since we would still have his bird rights) and Have Gortat. Frye is the price of doing business in this scenario.

Starting line-up of: Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Aldridge, Gortat
Bench of: Hickson, Maynor, Claver, Leonard and Frye (most likely not playing though).

Hickson is a UFA, and I don't think he comes back here to play on the bench. I just don't see it happening.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If no one is offered a QO; the Blazers should have about $13M to spend in free agency. Maynor's cap hold is $5.8M. Subtract it from cap space.
If Maynor signs a contract - cap "hold" goes completely away and is replaced by the contract amount.

I see it as 13 - 4= 9 million. 9 Million is a good chunk of change to use in an unbalanced trade. Combine it with Freeland and we should be in good shape.

Offer Maynor the QO. Sign him for 4, then make a trade.

 

[magnifier661]

I am almost positive that you can't combine the Trade Exception (TE) with another player in a trade. In this case we shouldn't need to though since we would have the cap space (assuming you took out Frye).

No Phoenix would just receive a TE because of our lopsided trade. We wouldn't use a TE in the trade. We would give them a TE from the trade. I hope that made more sense.

 

[magnifier661]

Hickson is a UFA, and I don't think he comes back here to play on the bench. I just don't see it happening.

That is the gamble, but it's what we can offer. If he decides not to come over; then we have 6 million to offer someone else.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I see it as 13 - 4= 9 million. 9 Million is a good chunk of change to use in an unbalanced trade. Combine it with Freeland and we should be in good shape.

Offer Maynor the QO. Sign him for 4, then make a trade.

If we did that, why wouldn't Maynor just accept the QO? $5.8 million is above his market value. So, he gets overpaid for a year then becomes an unrestricted free agent. If I'm Maynor's agent, I'd be all over that shit.

Then the second Maynor accepts the QO, the Blazers cap space goes down by 5.8 million to about $7.2 million - not exactly what you need to land a starter that will "move the needle".

No wonder Olshey says we won't offer Maynor the QO. Better to not tender the QO and see if we can sign him for less later - exactly like we did with Hickson last summer. We got our player back, but for less money AND got the chance to offer big bucks to Hibbert, too. Seems like a good strategy. Renounce and swing for the fences. If you whiff, go back and resign your guy for less than the QO. This seems to be Olshey's strategy.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Isn't his QO just for 3.2 MIL? It is only a cap hold of 5.8 until he signs the QO. 3.2 MIL a year for him sounds about what he would expect to get on the open market. Don't see why he wouldn't take it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Isn't his QO just for 3.2 MIL? It is only a cap hold of 5.8 until he signs the QO. 3.2 MIL a year for him sounds about what he would expect to get on the open market. Don't see why he wouldn't take it.

Oh sorry, I thought I read somewhere the QO was $5.8 million. If it's only $3.2 mil, then please ignore my comments above.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is where I read it...

His qualifying offer would be 5.8M. The second we give him that he would sign it.

Freeman is right but there is a very good chance Maynor comes back.

Should have went back to the original source...

"Maynor’s qualifying offer is $3.4 million, with a hefty $5.85 million cap hold that would eat a substantial amount of the Blazers’ offseason spending money."

BNM

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Gortat might be a good use of our cap space. Although I hope Olshey swings higher!

This team needs someone to clean the boards on Offense and Defense (like Hickson), a capable backup to Lillard (we seem to have found that in Maynor) and a slashing wing (someone like OJ Mayo, Shabazz).
Then we still need development from Claver, Barton and Freeland.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Gortat might be a good use of our cap space. Although I hope Olshey swings higher!

Who is higher then Gortat that we can get? I don't see us getting someone like Dwight Howard.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

This is where I read it...



Should have went back to the original source...

"Maynor’s qualifying offer is $3.4 million, with a hefty $5.85 million cap hold that would eat a substantial amount of the Blazers’ offseason spending money."

BNM

Yep. It is 3.2 or 3.4. I have heard both numbers.

 

[magnifier661]

This is where I read it...



Should have went back to the original source...

"Maynor’s qualifying offer is $3.4 million, with a hefty $5.85 million cap hold that would eat a substantial amount of the Blazers’ offseason spending money."

BNM

That's why I say give it to him. If maynor doesn't get over 3.4 million and stays with our club; I'm willing to accept another trial year. We still have his bird rights; which won't matter much the season after. If we don't extend his the QO; then we lose his bird rights.