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Natebishop3 said:
Because we're already extremely young, we already have a bunch of project players (Harkless, Vonleh, Layman, etc), and we desperately need some consistent vets who can contribute on a nightly basis.
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If you replace Ezeli and Meyers with a rookies, its not a bad thing. Layman, Connaughton, and Quarterman shouldnt be reasons to not add young talent, as anyone taken 45th and above will be a better prospect than those 3.

So unless you're getting great value by trading picks, it makes no sense to not add young talent because were young, or to trade our picks for middling veteran talent that isn't much better than the player we would have drafted.
 
BonesJones said:
If you replace Ezeli and Meyers with a rookies, its not a bad thing. Layman, Connaughton, and Quarterman shouldnt be reasons to not add young talent, as anyone taken 45th and above will be a better prospect than those 3.

So unless you're getting great value by trading picks, it makes no sense to not add young talent because were young, or to trade our picks for middling veteran talent that isn't much better than the player we would have drafted.
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That's really the whole point. We should either try to consolidate the picks into one higher pick for a rotation player, OR use them to acquire some much needed rotation player(s). While most of our team is young, the two key players on our roster are not. Dame will be 27 in July and CJ will be 26 in September. So Dame is entering his prime right now. We can't keep relying on 22 year olds to contribute on a nightly basis. We see it with Harkless and Vonleh. They'll have one good game and then they'll have 3-4 mediocre games. We need dudes that are gonna give us consistent numbers on a nightly basis.
 
BonesJones said:
If you replace Ezeli and Meyers with a rookies, its not a bad thing. Layman, Connaughton, and Quarterman shouldnt be reasons to not add young talent, as anyone taken 45th and above will be a better prospect than those 3.

So unless you're getting great value by trading picks, it makes no sense to not add young talent because were young, or to trade our picks for middling veteran talent that isn't much better than the player we would have drafted.
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And what is GREAT VALUE for a late round draft pick? They are worth whatever they can bring us to get this core a championship. The thing every NBA fan always says about the Blazers is that they are always young. At some point you have to roll the dice and bet on your current players and go all in. There is no opportune time. The great trades end up getting a player like Buck Williams. The bad trades end up like Afflalo. I hate the "hold the cards" mentality. It's how franchises constantly end up falling short. But if your lucky the window will open and that is the chance you take. Dame and CJ won't waste their primes on a team that doesn't become a contender. They'll demand a trade at some point.
 
So a SF wing at 15? My question is, do we draft our need at that spot even though there may be better talent in other positions available? Or do we draft best player available and use him in a trade to get what we need?
 
Orion Bailey said:
So a SF wing at 15? My question is, do we draft our need at that spot even though there may be better talent in other positions available? Or do we draft best player available and use him in a trade to get what we need?
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EASY answer is NO, we need bigs and that is where they are slotted for this draft so we draft a big
 
ripcityboy said:
And what is GREAT VALUE for a late round draft pick? They are worth whatever they can bring us to get this core a championship. The thing every NBA fan always says about the Blazers is that they are always young. At some point you have to roll the dice and bet on your current players and go all in. There is no opportune time. The great trades end up getting a player like Buck Williams. The bad trades end up like Afflalo. I hate the "hold the cards" mentality. It's how franchises constantly end up falling short. But if your lucky the window will open and that is the chance you take. Dame and CJ won't waste their primes on a team that doesn't become a contender. They'll demand a trade at some point.
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The only way a late round pick is gonna help us become a contender is if we draft a sleeper with that pick who becomes a high level starter.

You can't trade 26 for a high level starter. The only thing you'll get for that pick is a middling role player, which we already have too many of.
 
BonesJones said:
Not at 15. The best pick there will likely be Anunoby, Jackson, or Ferguson.
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If we land 2k with the 15th pick I'll freak the F out!!! Man that would be so awesome... Still think he's going to really up his stock at the pre-draft events though, so in my mind it is a pipe dream.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So a SF wing at 15? My question is, do we draft our need at that spot even though there may be better talent in other positions available? Or do we draft best player available and use him in a trade to get what we need?
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You only use need as a tiebreaker. If you favor one guys talent over anothers.

We can always make a trade to balance things out if we draft a wing (Like Jackson)

Example:
Turner for Mahinmi
Crabbe for R.Holmes
etc.

I like the idea of drafting a couple wings, then trying to trade away a pick, Turner, Leonard, Davis, Aminu, and either Harkless or Crabbe to get under the cap.

With those wings we drafted, whoever we took at 15 could play right away, taking Turner's role. We'd still have Harkless or Crabbe as our starting SF, and a combination of Napier, Connaughton, and the other rookie wing fighting for bench minutes.

With the $15-$25M, we could shore up our frontcourt with a guys like James Johnson, Amir Johnson, etc.

Basically, plans are fluid. Dont take the less-talented player because he fills an immediate need, especially when he might not be able to contribute right away, and needs change. I mean, look at how quickly our need for a legit starting 5 changed with one simple trade.
 
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Fonzthecpt1 said:
If we land 2k with the 15th pick I'll freak the F out!!! Man that would be so awesome... Still think he's going to really up his stock at the pre-draft events though, so in my mind it is a pipe dream.
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I guess I'm out of the loop, who's 2K?
 
BonesJones said:
I guess I'm out of the loop, who's 2K?
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Just googled it and yeah Ferguson would be awesome. He'd allow us to trade Crabbe as he'd be a good spot-up shooter right off the bat.

At least one of Allen, Ferguson, Anunoby, or J.Jackson will fall to us, with maybe 2 being available.
 
Hartenstein
Giles
Onunby

I've settled on these three. I also like Ferguson. I want to come away with any three of those four, in whatever order.
 
Isaac/Collins/Ntilikina/Dozier/Anigbogu/Ju. Jackson/Mitchell/Motley for me.

Collins would the one guy I'd trade up for that's semi realistic. Isaac is the pipe dream prospect while Ntilikina is a strictly "if he falls" guy.

Hartenstein, Patton or Anunoby would be fine, but they are tools/projectable skill set guys. I have serious questions about IQ/mental makeup with all 3 w/ Patton having the highest upside out of the group, but would be the oddest fit.
 
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BonesJones said:
Just googled it and yeah Ferguson would be awesome. He'd allow us to trade Crabbe as he'd be a good spot-up shooter right off the bat.

At least one of Allen, Ferguson, Anunoby, or J.Jackson will fall to us, with maybe 2 being available.
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Plus he's not as one dimensional as Crabbe. He's going to be a dribble drive threat as well. Good length for a wing, high BBall IQ, and a definite team player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because we're already extremely young, we already have a bunch of project players (Harkless, Vonleh, Layman, etc), and we desperately need some consistent vets who can contribute on a nightly basis.
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It's hard to say you have project players making 8 figures a year. Is there something that Josh Jackson can't do at 1/10th the price about 80% as well as Hark? Is there something that Bam Adebayo can't do for 1/4 on what Noah's making (and I like Noah....don't take this as a diss on him).

Gotta keep the pipeline of young (and cheap) talent flowing to augment the core. Then you don't have to spend 40M on Meyers because you don't have a project big to take his place. Or 74M on Crabbe. Or....

As I've said in other posts, take a look at where Patty Ice is right now vs. what Crabbe was 2 years ago in his 2nd year of a rookie 2nd-round contract. Take a look at, say, where Shabazzle Dazzle is vs. Luis Montero, Tim Quarterman and Tim Frazier. (Yes, I know we didn't draft Napier). Grab some guys who are in the top 40 or so of the draft class who can work somehow into the rotation. The guys who stick? Big money after 3/4 years. The guys who don't? I've drafted 8 other guys after you to ensure my team continues to succeed under the cap.
 
BonesJones said:
The only way a late round pick is gonna help us become a contender is if we draft a sleeper with that pick who becomes a high level starter.

You can't trade 26 for a high level starter. The only thing you'll get for that pick is a middling role player, which we already have too many of.
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where was Gobert recently drafted? pick 27 I do believe
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Hopefully, it does indeed happens Monday. Anyway, if you want to evaluate how well we did, the average is

15.5 + 19.5 +24.5 = 59.5 (lower is better)
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We ended up with 15 + 20 + 26 = 61, 62 is worst possible. So, closer to worst possible than to average. That being said, one could argue that we benefited in the most important pick.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Terrance "2k" Ferguson

https://twitter.com/the2kferguson
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Fits the bill:

Strengths: 6’7 high flying and sharp shooting guard … Good size for a wing … Knock down three point shooter. Gets great elevation on his shot and can shoot from NBA range ... Very effective in catch and shoot situations ... Gets his feet set quickly and doesn’t have any wasted motion in his shot … Tremendous one foot leaper … Strong on ball defender ... Very active and shows great commitment to the defensive end ... Takes pride in guarding the opposing team’s best perimeter player … Very good team player ... Highly unselfish, takes smart shots ... Plays within the flow of the offense
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I feel like Ferguson would be just as good as Crabbe right away. He'd probably be a decent 3pt shooter (37%?), an average defender (better than Crabbe at least), and a better attacker than AC.
 
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