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How is this possible? They have gun control that outlaws large capacity magazines, prohibits buying guns for anybody under 21, universal background checks, and there is a 3 day waiting period.

Surely this must be fake news?
Only ten people were injured; imagine how bad it would have been without those laws
 
Only ten people were injured; imagine how bad it would have been without those laws
Was the shooter using a musket then?

*Edit* Nope. It looks like they were using the same kinds of guns that kill 99% of gun victims and that none of the gun control measures address.

And this was a drug/gang shooting, so you know, these are probably all legally purchased and registered guns the buyers waited 3 days to receive.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...jured/73-7e5a528b-6fc3-4eb6-a12f-b59ca145c37e
 
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Was the shooter using a musket then?

*Edit* Nope. It looks like they were using the same kinds of guns that kill 99% of gun victims and that none of the gun control measures address.

And this was a drug/gang shooting, so you know, these are probably all legally purchased and registered guns the buyers waited 3 days to receive.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...jured/73-7e5a528b-6fc3-4eb6-a12f-b59ca145c37e

Oh no, because the NRA has successfully ended federal gun reform people are easily able to import guns from out of state which is somehow a reason why everyone should just fucking give up on gun reform. It’s nihilistic.

I get you really love guns but don’t be disingenuous.
 
Oh no, because the NRA has successfully ended federal gun reform people are easily able to import guns from out of state which is somehow a reason why everyone should just fucking give up on gun reform. It’s nihilistic.

I get you really love guns but don’t be disingenuous.
The NRA has no power except the people who support it are of a like mind (I am not one of those people, btw).

The NRA isn't even a top 100 political contributor as far as I can tell.

This has nothing to do with how I feel about guns and everything to do with how I feel about freedom and individual rights and corruption. And the biggest thing my position has to do with is how much I would actually like to solve the problem.

And the idea that restricting something that can be made in an afternoon in any garage in the country and that a hundred million people consider a vital part of their culture is the only way forward is just getting in the way of the real solutions.
 
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Not that it has never happened, but I don't recall an NRA member actually committing a mass shooting.
 
Make no mistake. If you are lying to the population in order to restrict their rights, you are the bad guy.

Fact check: Biden makes 5 false claims about guns
Washington (CNN) — President Joe Biden made false claims about a variety of topics, notably including gun policy, during a series of official speeches and campaign remarks over the last two weeks.

He made at least five false claims related to guns, a subject on which he has repeatedly been inaccurate during his presidency. He also made a false claim about the extent of his support from environmental groups. And he used incorrect figures about the population of Africa, his own travel history and how much renewable energy Texas uses.

Here is a fact check of these claims, plus a fact check on a Biden exaggeration about guns. The White House declined to comment on Tuesday.

Beau Biden and red flag laws

In a Friday speech at the National Safer Communities Summit in Connecticut, Biden spoke of how a gun control law he signed in 2022 has provided federal funding for states to expand the use of gun control tools like “red flag” laws, which allow the courts to temporarily seize the guns of people who are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. After mentioning red flag laws, Biden invoked his late son Beau Biden, who served as attorney general of Delaware, and said: “As my son was the first to enforce when he was attorney general.”

Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. Delaware did not have a red flag law when Beau Biden was state attorney general from 2007 to 2015. The legislation that created Delaware’s red flag program was named the Beau Biden Gun Violence Prevention Act, but it was passed in 2018, three years after Beau Biden died of brain cancer. (In 2013, Beau Biden had pushed for a similar bill, but it was rejected by the state Senate.) The president has previously said, correctly, that a Delaware red flag law was named after his son.

Delaware was far from the first state to enact a red flag law. Connecticut passed the first such state law in the country in 1999.

Stabilizing braces

In the same speech, the president spoke confusingly of his administration’s effort to make it more difficult for Americans to purchase stabilizing braces, devices that are attached to the rear of pistols, most commonly AR-15-style pistols, and make it easier to fire them one-handed.

“Put a pistol on a brace, and it…turns into a gun,” Biden said. “Makes them where you can have a higher-caliber weapon – a higher-caliber bullet – coming out of that gun. It’s essentially turning it into a short-barreled rifle, which has been a weapon of choice by a number of mass shooters.”

Facts First: Biden’s claims that a stabilizing brace turns a pistol into a gun and increases the caliber of a gun or bullet are false. A pistol is, obviously, already a gun, and “a pistol brace does not have any effect on the caliber of ammunition that a gun fires or anything about the basic functioning of the gun itself,” said Stephen Gutowski, a CNN contributor who is the founder of the gun policy and politics website The Reload.

Biden’s assertion that the addition of a stabilizing brace can “essentially” turn a pistol into a short-barreled rifle is subjective; it’s the same argument his administration’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has made in support of its attempt to subject the braces to new controls. The administration’s regulatory effort is being challenged in the courts by gun rights advocates.

Gun manufacturers and lawsuits

Repeating a claim he made in his 2022 State of the Union address and on other occasions, Biden said at a campaign fundraiser in California on Monday: “The only industry in America you can’t sue is the – is the gun manufacturers.”

Facts First: Biden’s claim is false, as CNN and other fact-checkers have previously noted. Gun manufacturers are not entirely exempt from being sued, nor are they the only industry with some liability protections. Notably, there are significant liability protections for vaccine manufacturers and, at present, for people and entities involved in making, distributing or administering Covid-19 countermeasures such as vaccines, tests and treatments.

Under the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, gun manufacturers cannot be held liable for the use of their products in crimes. However, gun manufacturers can still be held liable for (and thus sued for) a range of things, including negligence, breach of contract regarding the purchase of a gun or certain damages from defects in the design of a gun.

In 2019, the Supreme Court allowed a lawsuit against gun manufacturer Remington Arms Co. to continue. The plaintiffs, a survivor and the families of nine other victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shooting, wanted to hold the company – which manufactured the semi-automatic rifle that was used in the 2012 killing – partly responsible by targeting the company’s marketing practices, another area where gun manufacturers can be held liable. In 2022, those families reached a $73 million settlement with the company and its four insurers.

There are also more recent lawsuits against gun manufacturers. For example, the parents of some of the victims and survivors of the 2022 massacre at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, have sued over the marketing practices of the company that made the gun used by the killer. Another suit, filed by the government of Buffalo, New York, in December over gun violence in the city, alleges that the actions of several gun manufacturers and distributors have endangered public health and safety. It is unclear how those lawsuits will fare in the courts.

– Holmes Lybrand contributed to this item.

The NRA and lawsuits

At a campaign fundraiser in California on Tuesday, Biden said the National Rifle Association, the prominent gun rights advocacy organization, itself cannot be sued.

“And the fact that the NRA has such overwhelming power – you know, the NRA is the only outfit in the nation that we cannot sue as an institution,” Biden said. “They got – they – before this – I became president, they passed legislation saying you can’t sue them. Imagine had that been the case with tobacco companies.”

Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. While gun manufacturers have liability protections, no law was ever passed to forbid lawsuits against the NRA. The NRA has faced a variety of lawsuits in recent years.

Machine guns

At the same Tuesday fundraiser in California, Biden said that he taught the Second Amendment in law school, “And guess what? It doesn’t say that you can own any weapon you want. It says there are certain weapons that you just can’t own.” One example Biden cited was this: “You can’t own a machine gun.”

Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. The Second Amendment does not explicitly say people cannot own certain weapons – and the courts have not interpreted it to forbid machine guns. In fact, with some exceptions, people in more than two-thirds of states are allowed to own and buy fully automatic machine guns as long as those guns were legally registered and possessed prior to May 19, 1986, the day President Ronald Reagan signed a major gun law. There were more than 700,000 legally registered machine guns in the US as of May 2021, according to official federal data.

Federal law imposes significant national restrictions on machine gun purchases, and the fact that there is a limited pool of pre-May 19, 1986 machine guns means that buying these guns tends to be expensive – regularly into the tens of thousands of dollars. But for Americans in most of the country, Biden’s claim that you simply “can’t” own a machine gun, period, is not true.

“It’s not easy to obtain a fully automatic machine gun today, I don’t want to give that impression – but it is certainly legal. And it’s always been legal,” Gutowski said in March, when Biden previously made this claim about machine guns.

California, where Biden made this remark on Tuesday, has strict laws restricting machine guns, but there is a legal process even there to apply for a state permit to possess one.

The ‘boyfriend loophole’

In the Friday speech to the National Safer Communities Summit, Biden said “we fought like hell to close the so-called boyfriend loophole” that had allowed people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence to buy and possess guns if the victim was not someone they were married to, living with or had a child with. Biden then said that now “we finally can say that those convicted of domestic violence abuse against their girlfriend or boyfriend cannot buy a firearm, period.”

Facts First: Biden’s categorical claim that such offenders now “cannot buy a firearm, period” is an exaggeration, though Biden did sign a law in 2022 that made significant progress in closing the “boyfriend loophole.” That 2022 law added “dating” partners to the list of misdemeanor domestic violence offenders who are generally prohibited from gun purchases – but in a concession demanded by Republicans, the law says these offenders can buy a gun five years after their first conviction or completion of their sentence, whichever comes later, if they do not reoffend in the interim.

It’s also worth noting that the law’s new restriction on dating partners applies only to people who committed the domestic violence against a someone with whom they were in or “recently” had been in a “continuing” and “serious” romantic or intimate relationship. In other words, it omits people whose offense was against partners from their past or someone they dated casually.

Marium Durrani, vice president of policy at the National Domestic Violence Hotline, said there are “definitely some gaps” in the law, “so it’s not a blanket end-all be-all,” but she said it is “really a step in the right direction.”

The US medical system is literally collapsing, and this is the bullshit our President is focused on...

This is why "Republican" or "MAGA" craziness is going to destroy this country. We don't have a party that is actually for the people. It's all just a show. So Dems will never gain enough trust to offset the rules our founding fathers laid out, or to change those rules. Which, as far as I can tell, is the way they BOTH want it.


 
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Anybody else on here locked down because there’s an active shooter outside your work?
God Bless America and people rights…..
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They moved us inside the stadium for bit while he was in Fred Meyer. Weird day. Guess they got him out in Gresham.
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Oh yeah, gift of childbirth. Just had a long stay because it was earlier than expected. Everyone is healthy!
I always thought you were a dude. Congrats ma’am…. Hope everybody is happy and healthy.
 
It was actually really interesting to see how people react when they are told that there is an active shooter outside our tv truck. People who haven’t been in that situation, don’t really know how they will handle it.
Unfortunately growing up in my neighborhood in the late 80s….there was quite a bit of gun violence and death. At our school and surrounding areas.
So when we were being escorted out of the TV truck and into the stadium, the security guards took us TOWARD the last place this shooter was seen. We were 300 yards away…. Sounds cliche’, but my Army MP training kinda did take over. I asked him if we, as group of 15 people, should be walking TOWARDS the threat we are being evacuated from. He looked at me and said, “good point”.
Turned us around and thru the back door.
People always say they will handle that situation a certain way…… stranger than people think.

Wish this dude hadn’t got his hands on a gun……..
 
They got him. He shot and killed a security guard at Legacy Good Samaritan Hospital and wounded a second person. He drove out to Gresham where he was pulled over and taken out by the cops.

Shouldn't this also be posted in the ACAB thread? :bgrin::bgrin::bgrin:
 
That's awesome man. Congrats. Yeah, my son was born a month early so I went through the same thing.
So glad we're out of the woods and the blue lights are off him. Just gotta keep putting on the weight, now. I'm drinking protein shakes during our 2am feedings in solidarity haha
 
So glad we're out of the woods and the blue lights are off him. Just gotta keep putting on the weight, now. I'm drinking protein shakes during our 2am feedings in solidarity haha

Scary stuff. My wife had complications so I was double worried about both. He was in NICU for a week. Amazing when my son finally came home. I had spent a lot of time putting his nursery together. Lot of 2am feeds in there in the rocking chair. I used to rock him and sing, what a wonderful world after and he would go right back to sleep. Sometimes, I'd fall asleep with him in my arms in the rocking chair.

It's all downhill from here man. Your son is home and he will only grow and get healthier and life will be good. Enjoy the memories!
 
Scary stuff. My wife had complications so I was double worried about both. He was in NICU for a week. Amazing when my son finally came home. I had spent a lot of time putting his nursery together. Lot of 2am feeds in there in the rocking chair. I used to rock him and sing, what a wonderful world after and he would go right back to sleep. Sometimes, I'd fall asleep with him in my arms in the rocking chair.

It's all downhill from here man. Your son is home and he will only grow and get healthier and life will be good. Enjoy the memories!
Very similar, my wife had some light complications. We just barely avoided the NICU, a feeding tube wasn't ruled out for quite a while. He's back to his birth weight now though! :pumpitup:

Thanks for the well wishes, CC. I'm soaking it up and loving every second!

Now, back to the topic at hand. Will my son have to start going through active shooter drills when he starts school in a few years? I think he will, which saddens me deeply.
 
Now, back to the topic at hand. Will my son have to start going through active shooter drills when he starts school in a few years? I think he will, which saddens me deeply.
Almost certainly. Until we improve our social policies. There is no possible way to get hundreds of millions of unmarked guns off the streets in our lifetimes.

Unfortunately that's just a reality we'll have to live with until we get serious about taking care of our population...
 
Almost certainly. Until we improve our social policies. There is no possible way to get hundreds of millions of unmarked guns off the streets in our lifetimes.

Unfortunately that's just a reality we'll have to live with until we get serious about taking care of our population...
Doesn't HAVE to be a reality for me.. home school and private school is always an option. There are tradeoffs for everything, we'll see how it plays out.
 
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