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I don't see why a kid should shoot an assault rifle at a target range. There should probably be an age limit to gun ranges.

A kid, a girl I think was shooting at a gun range with an assault rifle sometime back. She ended up shooting and killing her instructor because the gun was too much for her.

I saw another video. An experiment. A kid who loved to play video games with guns. They took him to a range and let him fire a real assault rifle. He pissed himself and broke down crying. It traumatized the shit out of him.

No kid should ever touch an assault rifle.

I got to shoot an AK-47 when I was 9 or 10. It was pretty cool, but not really impactful in any way. I was back to riding bikes and playing with my dogs after that. I also didn’t play first person shooter video games for hours on end that are basically digital training sessions on how to walk into a building and waste a bunch of people, so I imagine that took away some of the gun stigma.
 
I got to shoot an AK-47 when I was 9 or 10. It was pretty cool, but not really impactful in any way. I was back to riding bikes and playing with my dogs after that. I also didn’t play first person shooter video games for hours on end that are basically digital training sessions on how to walk into a building and waste a bunch of people, so I imagine that took away some of the gun stigma.

Good for you
 
I’ve seen 4 people shot and murdered in my life and that wasn’t even while in the military……I’ll take a chance with a knife. MASS SCHOOL KNIFINGS…..I like the sound of that better.

Sorry about all your losses.

We have a big gun problem here in this country. Tired of all the people here and elsewhere trying to sweep it under the rug with we can't stop it so why try logic.

It would be alot easier to stop a person with a knife and there would be a lot less deaths
 
And kids are about 20x more likely to be killed by their parents than by a school shooter.

I'm thinking we solve the first problem we'll pretty much eliminate the second. And even if we don't completely eliminate the second, we'll save and improve a lot more lives by focusing on the first.

If your 12 year old is crazy enough to kill people and wants into your gun safe he's going to get in.

And if he can't he'll 3D print a gun.

I still simply can't imagine worrying more about getting into trouble for my kid shooting up a school than him being in a mental state to do that, and the resulting fallout with his life.

Legal repercussions for myself don't even factor in.

My son would never get in a gun safe if I had one. I would make sure he didn't know the code. Or if I had a key, I would have it on my person at all times. I wouldn't allow that. Any parent that does is criminal.

Printing 3D guns? Don't have a 3D printer. Most people don't. Not sure why you put that in there.

Your argument of we can't stop it, it's going to happen no matter what, so let's let it happen is ridiculous.
 
I feel like you're giving a lot more credit to 12 yo's than you should. I know that 3d printed guns are a thing, but I haven't heard any report of one being used for a crime, let alone by a pre-pubescent kid. I'm sure it's happened, but not sure it's relevant to this argument.

Far too much credit.

Parents can stop their kids from taking their guns. The parents in Michigan could have stopped it from happening. They didn't. What they did was criminal. End of story.
 
Thanks, mod. Way to keep it constructive.

Oh look at that, you edited your post to sharpen your sarcastic criticism.

Nice touch
 
Far too much credit.

Parents can stop their kids from taking their guns. The parents in Michigan could have stopped it from happening. They didn't. What they did was criminal. End of story.
I agree, those parents should absolutely be liable. If you can not prevent your child from getting unauthorized access to your firearm and the ammo to use in it, you shouldn't have a firearm.

I don't know if it's a majority of the time or not, but a lot of these cases involve the kid murdering their parent or guardian too, so that's a whole different thing to consider. How do we punish dead people? Take Sandy Hook for example, Lanza's mother should have absolutely being charged as an accomplice because there was warning signs and red flags yet she still SUPPLIED him with the firearm. Do we wish that this Oxford dude would have blasted his parents before turning on his classmates, idk? I know of a couple people here that probably do.

Putting a gun in the hands of mentally unstable is just asking for trouble. Probably about as risky as getting behind the wheel after pounding a fifth of JD.

My two cents. I know that most legislation I'd be in support of would be DOA, so I try and not get too worked up about it.
 
I agree, those parents should absolutely be liable. If you can not prevent your child from getting unauthorized access to your firearm and the ammo to use in it, you shouldn't have a firearm.

I don't know if it's a majority of the time or not, but a lot of these cases involve the kid murdering their parent or guardian too, so that's a whole different thing to consider. How do we punish dead people? Take Sandy Hook for example, Lanza's mother should have absolutely being charged as an accomplice because there was warning signs and red flags yet she still SUPPLIED him with the firearm. Do we wish that this Oxford dude would have blasted his parents before turning on his classmates, idk? I know of a couple people here that probably do.

Putting a gun in the hands of mentally unstable is just asking for trouble. Probably about as risky as getting behind the wheel after pounding a fifth of JD.

My two cents. I know that most legislation I'd be in support of would be DOA, so I try and not get too worked up about it.

Parents should at least lose their guns if not be charged in such cases.

You can't charge a dead person. No, I don't wish the oxford shooter blasted his parents. I wish they had locked it up and been more attentive. They would have realized their son was having issues. The school told them. Showed them the terrible thoughts he had been writing down and that he was searching for Ammo online at school. They shrugged it off, made sure he stayed at school, didn't take it seriously, didn't give two fucks about him. As soon as he was arrested, they fleed for Canada.
 
Parents should at least lose their guns if not be charged in such cases.

You can't charge a dead person. No, I don't wish the oxford shooter blasted his parents. I wish they had locked it up and been more attentive. They would have realized their son was having issues. The school told them. Showed them the terrible thoughts he had been writing down and that he was searching for Ammo online at school. They shrugged it off, made sure he stayed at school, didn't take it seriously, didn't give two fucks about him. As soon as he was arrested, they fleed for Canada.
Sadly there are POS parents that have children that end up just as bad or worse. Probably the real root of the issue that will never get solved.
 
Sadly there are POS parents that have children that end up just as bad or worse. Probably the real root of the issue that will never get solved.

There are alot if parents that just aren't paying attention. Alot of this could be prevented.
 
There are alot if parents that just aren't paying attention. Alot of this could be prevented.

with requisites to being a parent. Easily prevented by holding parents responsible for not paying attention.
The minimizing of parental responsibility for rhe children they bring onto this earth is alarming.
Its the guns problem. Not the parents. Not social media. Not video games…

the lack of logic assigned to the opinion that if we remove guns people will become same and wont kill is also alarming.

Were theee guns during the crusades? Mass slaughters.
Humans have killed and murdered in mass since we have kept track. But now its an issue because of guns?

nah. Its always been an issue. Guns are just another way. Remove the guns and another way shall be found by those mentally ready to kill… until we fix them mentally…
 
with requisites to being a parent. Easily prevented by holding parents responsible for not paying attention.
The minimizing of parental responsibility for rhe children they bring onto this earth is alarming.
Its the guns problem. Not the parents. Not social media. Not video games…

the lack of logic assigned to the opinion that if we remove guns people will become same and wont kill is also alarming.

Were theee guns during the crusades? Mass slaughters.
Humans have killed and murdered in mass since we have kept track. But now its an issue because of guns?

nah. Its always been an issue. Guns are just another way. Remove the guns and another way shall be found by those mentally ready to kill… until we fix them mentally…

It's both a parent and gun problem. A mental health and gun problem. It's an extensive, complex problem that is going to require multiple avenues of solutions, employed concurrently.
 
It's both a parent and gun problem. A mental health and gun problem. It's an extensive, complex problem that is going to require multiple avenues of solutions, employed concurrently.

well my opinion is were putting the cart before the horse focusing on guns.
Take gusn away peolle still gonna kill and it does little else for society.

Clean up mental health and it will do many things for the society include help minimize insane shootings, children raised by loonies, etc.

Guns didn't cause people to go nuts.
 
well my opinion is were putting the cart before the horse focusing on guns.
Take gusn away peolle still gonna kill and it does little else for society.

Clean up mental health and it will do many things for the society include help minimize insane shootings, children raised by loonies, etc.

Guns didn't cause people to go nuts.


Mental health is part of it and I agree we need alot of work there.

But you need the horse and the cart
 
Mental health is part of it and I agree we need alot of work there.

But you need the horse and the cart

you do need both. But the cart cant lead the horse or there will not be any direction.

i said it yesterday and it was maybe missed, but problem solving 101 is removing the known tangibles.
This means removing mental illness from the equation. Only then can we figure out how much of an impact guns still actually have.
Without the first, the second will never be known.
 
After previous occupant of white house took office with Republican majority in Congress, very first law passed was repeal of ban on gun ownership for people with severe mental illness. Specifically, people who had legal guardian because they had demonstrated they were unable to care for their basic needs.
Other countries have people with mental illness but don't hand them unlimited guns.
I have no problem with preventing the mentally ill (specifically those who've shown violent tendencies) from accessing guns.
 
I don't see why a kid should shoot an assault rifle at a target range. There should probably be an age limit to gun ranges.

A kid, a girl I think was shooting at a gun range with an assault rifle sometime back. She ended up shooting and killing her instructor because the gun was too much for her.

I saw another video. An experiment. A kid who loved to play video games with guns. They took him to a range and let him fire a real assault rifle. He pissed himself and broke down crying. It traumatized the shit out of him.

No kid should ever touch an assault rifle.
Again, assault rifles are illegal for the general population. What that girl shot, and ended up killing her instructor with, was an actually fully automatic assault rifle. You and I cannot go out and buy that legally.

He had to have special permits.

Most kids cannot get ahold of assault rifles because most adults are prevented from buying them.

AR style rifles are not assault rifles. There is nothing more dangerous about them than any of thousands of other hunting rifles.
 
Sorry about all your losses.

We have a big gun problem here in this country. Tired of all the people here and elsewhere trying to sweep it under the rug with we can't stop it so why try logic.

It would be alot easier to stop a person with a knife and there would be a lot less deaths
I'm tired of people attacking gun rights because going after guns prevents us from passing legislation which would help far more people and is actually possible to pass.

It's frustrating that people want to focus on something they know so little about...
 
My son would never get in a gun safe if I had one. I would make sure he didn't know the code. Or if I had a key, I would have it on my person at all times. I wouldn't allow that. Any parent that does is criminal.

Printing 3D guns? Don't have a 3D printer. Most people don't. Not sure why you put that in there.

Your argument of we can't stop it, it's going to happen no matter what, so let's let it happen is ridiculous.
You would guard your keys from your son? Never let them drive the car? Or grab something out of the car? Really? You keep your keys on your person when you're watching TV? When you fall asleep on the couch?

And you don't leave a key for your wife in case she needs to use the gun while you're away from the house? Does she also keep it on her person at all times? Perhaps in her purse on the counter while she's at home?

You never have your kids open your safe? You cautiously guard the combination every time you enter or leave the safe? Even when you do it multiple times per week?

Yeah, sure... If you never use a gun then maybe. But if you use it regularly they will know how to access it.

What you're suggesting is unreasonable.
 
I got to shoot an AK-47 when I was 9 or 10. It was pretty cool, but not really impactful in any way. I was back to riding bikes and playing with my dogs after that. I also didn’t play first person shooter video games for hours on end that are basically digital training sessions on how to walk into a building and waste a bunch of people, so I imagine that took away some of the gun stigma.
Video games don't make people crazy or want to kill people.
 
You would guard your keys from your son? Never let them drive the car? Or grab something out of the car? Really? You keep your keys on your person when you're watching TV? When you fall asleep on the couch?

And you don't leave a key for your wife in case she needs to use the gun while you're away from the house? Does she also keep it on her person at all times? Perhaps in her purse on the counter while she's at home?

You never have your kids open your safe? You cautiously guard the combination every time you enter or leave the safe? Even when you do it multiple times per week?

Yeah, sure... If you never use a gun then maybe. But if you use it regularly they will know how to access it.

What you're suggesting is unreasonable.

He's not old enough to drive. When he is or he if needs to get something out of the car, have the key on a different chain. So, the keys he's using doesn't have that. I would never let my son have a keychain with a key to a gun safe on it. Ever.

Yes, generally my keys are in my pocket. No, why would have my kid open my safe? It's easy to guard a combination.

Stop making excuses for irresponsible parents
 
He's not old enough to drive. When he is or he if needs to get something out of the car, have the key on a different chain. So, the keys he's using doesn't have that. I would never let my son have a keychain with a key to a gun safe on it. Ever.

Yes, generally my keys are in my pocket. No, why would have my kid open my safe? It's easy to guard a combination.

Stop making excuses for irresponsible parents
I just can't imagine living my life afraid of my children like that. Call it irresponsible if you want. My kids are well adjusted and not a threat to anybody. I'm not going to treat my kids like prisoners in their own house. And I'm certainly not going to do it because of some silly law that would only impact me if you violated my 4th amendment rights or on the .000003% chance that my kid uses my gun to kills somebody.

I get that you feel strongly about this, but pushing laws to make yourself feel better is a slippery slope.
 
I just can't imagine living my life afraid of my children like that. Call it irresponsible if you want. My kids are well adjusted and not a threat to anybody. I'm not going to treat my kids like prisoners in their own house. And I'm certainly not going to do it because of some silly law that would only impact me if you violated my 4th amendment rights or on the .000003% chance that my kid uses my gun to kills somebody.

I get that you feel strongly about this, but pushing laws to make yourself feel better is a slippery slope.

Not afraid at all. Just vigilant. Protecting my kid. Part of being a parent. My son is well adjusted too, but I wouldn't let him have access to a gun.

If there was such a law to hold parents accountable. It's only if their kid takes their gun and kills someone.

But, we can agree to disagree that's fine
 
I'm tired of people attacking gun rights because going after guns prevents us from passing legislation which would help far more people and is actually possible to pass.

I don't think gun control initiatives are what prevents legislation that would help people from passing.

What prevents legislation that would help people from passing is Republicans.

barfo
 
Not afraid at all. Just vigilant. Protecting my kid. Part of being a parent. My son is well adjusted too, but I wouldn't let him have access to a gun.

If there was such a law to hold parents accountable. It's only if their kid takes their gun and kills someone.

But, we can agree to disagree that's fine
Again, I'm 100% fine with holding these Michigan parents accountable.

But just having access to a gun doesn't make somebody a killer. And if they are a killer you're not going to stop them with a code or a key.
 
I don't think gun control initiatives are what prevents legislation that would help people from passing.

What prevents legislation that would help people from passing is Republicans.

barfo
It prevents many people from voting Democrat who otherwise would do so.
 
Video games don't make people crazy or want to kill people.

This im not so sure of. Children's minds are still growing and learning and if they grow up with such violence, i can see a child's mind mixing real life up. Video games are so detailed with gore these days, and all the movies out there.

Now dont get me wrong. Im not advocating video game or movie restrictions, im advocating better parental-ship, not allowing their childrens’ impressionable minds to be overwhelmed to the point of numbness.
This is why im all for holding the parents accountable for such atrocities. They brought the accused into this world and either neglected to notice issues or purposefully raise children to hate.
Either way, I'm of the opinion parenthood is severely lacking in actual parenting and far too many people having children in this country when they cant even figure themselves out.
How to we ever expect to improve on ourselves if the bulk of those popping out kids aren't even close to fit to be a good parent?
All for educating as much as possible, but if someone takes on the lifelong responsibility to bring a other life into this world, i believe they should own up to that commitment, even if it means radical changes to the new parent’s lifestyle.
 
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