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SlyPokerDog said:
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You've aged alot since I last saw you Sly.....
 
Guys don’t forget. America is crazier with more mentally fucked people than any other first world country. It’s in the water maybe, who knows. But when you are born here you have a much higher likelihood of being mentally unstable. The rest of the world isn’t like this. That’s why we have 100x the school shootings. Duh. It’s not the guns.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It prevents many people from voting Democrat who otherwise would do so.
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So the weak, infrequent, and very ineffectual attempts at gun control by Democrats makes people who would otherwise vote for them, instead vote for Republicans?

I'd submit that those people are not thinking rationally.

barfo
 
barfo said:
There's no shortage of Democrats who think Manchin and Sinema are shit.

barfo
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They are pretend Democrats

Sinema wants to protect the rich while the coward Manchin doesn't want to do anything that may anger republicans.
 
barfo said:
So the weak, infrequent, and very ineffectual attempts at gun control by Democrats makes people who would otherwise vote for them, instead vote for Republicans?

I'd submit that those people are not thinking rationally.

barfo
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Who said anything about weak? It's the strong push that turns people off. They don't have to vote republican to be a problem. A few thousand more gun owners voting for Clinton would have changed the last 5 years immensely.
 
calvin natt said:
Guys don’t forget. America is crazier with more mentally fucked people than any other first world country. It’s in the water maybe, who knows. But when you are born here you have a much higher likelihood of being mentally unstable. The rest of the world isn’t like this. That’s why we have 100x the school shootings. Duh. It’s not the guns.
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This has been explained, with links. Yes, America is more fucked than other first world countries.

Largely because of desperate conditions for the lower classes. Abysmal access to healthcare, poor access to education and a largely decentralized education system. Police and the judicial system treating poor and minority populations like livestock, etc...

The list is long. The US gets away with it because we have more natural resources than nearly everybody, and the rest of the first world was decimated by world wars that we profited from.

We shouldn't feel bad about that. But we haven't advanced socially as much as those countries because we weren't forced to.

We should learn from them and focus on empowering our population rather than removing their rights.

All evidence shows violent crime and murder rates, including gun crime, track incredibly closely with the gini coefficient. Fix those and you fix most of our violence and crime issues,with no negative side effects.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30782593/
 
barfo said:
Me. I said weak.



What strong push? I haven't seen one yet.

barfo
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You don't remember the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/billfs.txt

This was SO successful that they couldn't find any data that actually supported extending it. So they let it expire instead. After which, violent crime and murder rates (including gun crime) continued to drop anyway.

That was a big black eye which gun enthusiasts have not forgotten.

Aside from all of that, further gun control on handguns will require a constitutional ammendment, which is simply not going to happen. And without changing things regarding handguns everything else is just a rounding error.

It's literally a waste of time.

All it takes is a moderate to mention thinking about gun control and they lose thousands of votes at the state level and millions at the national level.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You don't remember the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/billfs.txt

This was SO successful that they couldn't find any data that actually supported extending it. So they let it expire instead. After which, violent crime and murder rates (including gun crime) continued to drop anyway.

That was a big black eye which gun enthusiasts have not forgotten.

Aside from all of that, further gun control on handguns will require a constitutional ammendment, which is simply not going to happen. And without changing things regarding handguns everything else is just a rounding error.

It's literally a waste of time.

All it takes is a moderate to mention thinking about gun control and they lose thousands of votes at the state level and millions at the national level.
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The 'strong push' is the 1994 ban on assault rifles which has since expired?

You say gun enthusiasts are triggered by the mere mention of gun control. You are painting gun enthusiasts as extremists. And maybe you are right... but if so that's an argument for gun control, not against.

barfo
 
barfo said:
The 'strong push' is the 1994 ban on assault rifles which has since expired?

You say gun enthusiasts are triggered by the mere mention of gun control. You are painting gun enthusiasts as extremists. And maybe you are right... but if so that's an argument for gun control, not against.

barfo
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Voting based on what a politician says is extremism? Since when?

And how does that relate to violence, which would necessitate the restriction of the rights of all Americans?

That's sounding far more extreme than voting... authoritarian, even...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Video games don't make people crazy or want to kill people.
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Not alone, no. If that were the case then there’d be 50 school shootings a day. Mental illness and access to a firearm play much bigger roles. But I refuse to believe that a child digitally murdering people for 9 hours a day doesn’t have some sort of desensitizing effect. Especially if he spends the other half of his day in a building full of people who he views as enemies.
 
calvin natt said:
Guys don’t forget. America is crazier with more mentally fucked people than any other first world country. It’s in the water maybe, who knows. But when you are born here you have a much higher likelihood of being mentally unstable. The rest of the world isn’t like this. That’s why we have 100x the school shootings. Duh. It’s not the guns.
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All those drugs Americans are prescribed to prevent crazy must be working well.
 
jonnyboy said:
Not alone, no. If that were the case then there’d be 50 school shootings a day. Mental illness and access to a firearm play much bigger roles. But I refuse to believe that a child digitally murdering people for 9 hours a day doesn’t have some sort of desensitizing effect. Especially if he spends the other half of his day in a building full of people who he views as enemies.
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There are no people to murder digitally. It's pictures on a screen. It's not real.

Video games have been out for decades and violent crime and murder rates have been dropping the whole time.

There is literally no evidence to support this theory. After this much time there would be a lot of evidence.
 
Phatguysrule said:
There are no people to murder digitally. It's pictures on a screen. It's not real.
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Thanks for the info.
Phatguysrule said:
Video games have been out for decades and violent crime and murder rates have been dropping the whole time.

There is literally no evidence to support this theory. After this much time there would be a lot of evidence.
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You’re grouping all video games together to try and easily write off the argument. There are certain brands of first person shooter video games that are very popular that are nothing more than clearing buildings and tallying a body count. I’m not claiming Donkey Kong desensitizes children to the act of murder. Do you know how many mass shooters play these games? How much evidence has been uncovered to prove or refute any of this? You said there would be evidence if it were the case. I hadn’t realized all the questions regarding mental health and school shootings had been answered by studies that ‘would’ve already been done by now’. Glad to know it’s all been figured out. Mind passing some of this knowledge along?
 
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jonnyboy said:
Not alone, no. If that were the case then there’d be 50 school shootings a day. Mental illness and access to a firearm play much bigger roles. But I refuse to believe that a child digitally murdering people for 9 hours a day doesn’t have some sort of desensitizing effect. Especially if he spends the other half of his day in a building full of people who he views as enemies.
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Maybe your best post ever....couldn't agree more...my son had friends over when he was in school and they'd swear and kill like wide eyed zombies for hours on end with world of warcraft and assassin creed...I used to ask them if they were planning careers in the military....a couple of those kids are over 30 now and still addicted to killing with video games....I don't see anything remotely healthy in it and it definitely could trigger a mentally ill kid or even instill some unhealthy mental patterns into a once healthy kid. Movies do it to on a more vicarious level but those games, you pull the trigger.
 
jonnyboy said:
Thanks for the info.

You’re grouping all video games together to try and easily write off the argument. There are certain brands of first person shooter video games that are very popular that are nothing more than clearing buildings and tallying a body count. I’m not claiming Donkey Kong desensitizes children to the act of murder. Do you know how many mass shooters play these games? How much evidence has been uncovered to prove or refute any of this? You said there would be evidence if it were the case. I hadn’t realized all the questions regarding mental health and school shootings had been answered by studies that ‘would’ve already been done by now’. Glad to know it’s all been figured out. Mind passing some of this knowledge along?
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Study Shows That Playing Violent Video Games Does Not Turn You Into A Psychopath

In any case, this is an interesting new study and one that confirms what most gamers already knew. In that, playing Call of Duty for extended periods doesn’t turn you into some kind of bloodthirsty murderer.

What with the proven cognitive benefits of playing video games, this new study yet again shows that video games are innocent of anything culturally untoward.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ollieb...eo-games-does-not-turn-you-into-a-psychopath/
 
riverman said:
Maybe your best post ever....couldn't agree more...my son had friends over when he was in school and they'd swear and kill like wide eyed zombies for hours on end with world of warcraft and assassin creed...I used to ask them if they were planning careers in the military....a couple of those kids are over 30 now and still addicted to killing with video games....I don't see anything remotely healthy in it and it definitely could trigger a mentally ill kid or even instill some unhealthy mental patterns into a once healthy kid. Movies do it to on a more vicarious level but those games, you pull the trigger.
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This has been proven over and over. Video games (even violent ones) are a healthy activity as long as you're eating right and getting proper exercise outside of playing video games.

I'd also like to add that I don't play video games, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This has been proven over and over. Video games (even violent ones) are a healthy activity as long as you're eating right and getting proper exercise outside of playing video games.

I'd also like to add that I don't play video games, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
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It has not been proven to me and I have experience with young people addicted to the damn things....and those kids who are still addicted wanted no part of going on a hike in the woods and would show up with consoles and computers all hooked up ....sorry....my son had a healthy perspective on these things and lost interest in them...would rather go fishing but a couple of his buddies are still video game zombies in their 30s.....I can speak from my experience only and in my view most kids aren't eating right or getting the exercise they need....and I'm a retired teacher...there's nothing in my view that healthy from simulated assasinations or killing in competition. sorry....I take it you like video games and if you have a healthy attitude about them, great, but some kids can't maintain that perspective. I believe they trigger unnecessary impulses in emotionally fragile kids. Killing should never provide a thrill or adrnaline rush to a formative mind that is impressionable in my view....two of my son's college roommates flunked out of college over video game addictions and lack of sleep or study. No redeeming value in my view
 
Phatguysrule said:
This has been proven over and over. Video games (even violent ones) are a healthy activity as long as you're eating right and getting proper exercise outside of playing video games.

I'd also like to add that I don't play video games, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
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it has not been proven at all. You forget parental supervision or the lack of.


No. Video games do not turn kids into psychopaths alone. But like many things, its absolutely a contributing factor to the desensitizing of our youth.
Again childrens minds are impressionable and still learning. To claim these games dont have an effect is being extremely naive…
 
SlyPokerDog said:
In the 1950s many blamed comic books.

In the 1980s we blamed music, especially rap.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/scienc...p-blaming-video-games-for-real-world-violence
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I don't blame games exclusively for real world violence...the world was violent long before these things appeared...and as many state...donkey kong is not grand theft auto......fact is they are right that most people will not become infatuated with violence by media input..but if you want to address the uptick in serial shootings and mental illness in society....they can absolutely trigger these thoughts in emotionally fragile kids....also the industry generates so much money and is so popular that making them non restrictive in content is profitable...I blame people for real world violence...but that does not address how people become infatuated with real world violence. If we truly want to get to the source of school shootings and mass shooting we cannot ignore the triggers that may contribute to the acts. A wack job with a copy of Catcher in the Rye shot John Lennon ..... not JD Salinger. Most people read that novel without it manifesting as a trigger to kill someone but Mark David Chapman cites it as his trigger for taking a life. As far as rap culture it's absolutely peppered with shooting deaths and gun as power lyrics....you don't see these shootings in folk music much.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Voting based on what a politician says is extremism? Since when?
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Based on the mere mention of a single subject? Yeah, that's extremism.

In my opinion, it's unhealthy to be so wrapped up in one "enthusiasm" that it's the only thing that determines your vote.

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
In the 1950s many blamed comic books.

In the 1980s we blamed music, especially rap.
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So it's time for a new boogeyman. What will be the 2020's version?

Maybe it's all those vaccinations the kids are having these days?

barfo
 
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