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Gotta love that 2nd amendment because you just never know when we the people will have to fend off the US military
 
Lanny said:
This is a mere blip in an ocean of good will. Also, i rewpond positively to whatever posts I agree with no matter who they come from. And before anyone asks it, yes, even Maris. You? I like about 99.999 . . .% of your posts.
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Understood. I'm simply saying this happens often in this particular conversation and it doesn't reflect well on the "pro gun control" perspective.

We should be careful not to make the same mistakes as those whose blindly followed manufactured political rhetoric into things like January 6th.
 
calvin natt said:
Gotta love that 2nd amendment because you just never know when we the people will have to fend off the US military
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It's not just the US military.
And, see Vietnam and Afghanistan regarding fending off the US military.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's not just the US military.
And, see Vietnam and Afghanistan regarding fending off the US military.
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The U.S. is nothing like Vietnam or Afghanistan. It is more like the United Kingdom, Canada or Australia, at least since the Civil war of over 170 years ago.
 
Lanny said:
The U.S. is nothing like Vietnam or Afghanistan. It is more like the United Kingdom, Canada or Australia, at least since the Civil war of over 170 years ago.
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The civilians in the US are far better armed than the UK, Canada, or Australia.

And we'd have a large portion of the US military and police on our side. And we live with their families.

It would be far harder for the US to defeat it's citizens than it would have been to defeat Afghanistan or Vietnam. We could have just carpet bombed those countries with very low US casualties. That's not an option in the US.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The civilians in the US are far better armed than the UK, Canada, or Australia.

And we'd have a large portion of the US military and police on our side. And we live with their families.

It would be far harder for the US to defeat it's citizens than it would have been to defeat Afghanistan or Vietnam. We could have just carpet bombed those countries with very low US casualties. That's not an option in the US.
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The ONLY way citizens in this country would ever remotely come close to going to war versus their own govt would be if gun owners decided to overthrow democrats. That’s it. So it works out really well. You think liberals are gonna band together to overtake republicans? There is 0 chance. But the lunatics on the right are literally talking and thinking about it as I write.
 
Everyone of my old hunting buddies are liberal democrats and they are all pro 2nd. There are plenty of independent and dems that are pro second.
We all favor gun control laws that keep firearms away from wackos.
 
calvin natt said:
The ONLY way citizens in this country would ever remotely come close to going to war versus their own govt would be if gun owners decided to overthrow democrats. That’s it. So it works out really well. You think liberals are gonna band together to overtake republicans? There is 0 chance. But the lunatics on the right are literally talking and thinking about it as I write.
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Yeah, I don't think that's likely. But I also don't think the "citizens with small arms wouldn't stand a chance against the US military" holds water.

No, if the US military wanted to glass it's own country it could easily win.

Short of that, the population would outlast the US military.

However, Trump having a successful coup on January 6th would have severely shaken my confidence that the US military wouldn't attack civilians in some scenerio. And that a significant portion of the military would be willing to break away to defend those civilians. And in that scenerio it would be nice if many of the civilians were comfortable with firearms.

Still, not highly likely, but devastating if it did happen.

More likely is that our government loses the ability or motivation to defend us and we end up having to defend ourselves. Like has happened in much of Portland, and many other places in the country, where police can take hours to arrive, and that's assuming they do actually show up.
 
calvin natt said:
Gotta love that 2nd amendment because you just never know when we the people will have to fend off the US military
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First step in a party trying to overthrow the other is limiting free speech.
Second is to disarm them.

Which party has been trying to do what?
 
Phatguysrule said:
The civilians in the US are far better armed than the UK, Canada, or Australia.

And we'd have a large portion of the US military and police on our side. And we live with their families.

It would be far harder for the US to defeat it's citizens than it would have been to defeat Afghanistan or Vietnam. We could have just carpet bombed those countries with very low US casualties. That's not an option in the US.
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Defeating a bunch of half wits with guns would be like squashing a bug. It's been done before with not much trouble.
 
Lanny said:
Yes, in the U.S. No, not on a national level.
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It hasn't happened at the national level in the US. That's part of the point of the 2nd ammendment. They wouldn't allow a problem to get that big, as it's a fight the government cannot win with an armed population.

But again, that's just one reason for the second ammendment. Making it seem like that's the only reason people might need to defend themselves is a perversion of the ammendment.
 
calvin natt said:
Just give the rest of us a heads up when this takes place - the gun people vs the US govt. We’ll come back after the bloodshed and you all get it figured out.
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I don't understand what point you are trying to make. With the 2nd ammendment allowing for an armed population this will never happen. It's not possible.
 
calvin natt said:
Gotta love that 2nd amendment because you just never know when we the people will have to fend off the US military
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Phatguysrule said:
It hasn't happened at the national level in the US. That's part of the point of the 2nd ammendment. They wouldn't allow a problem to get that big, as it's a fight the government cannot win with an armed population.

But again, that's just one reason for the second ammendment. Making it seem like that's the only reason people might need to defend themselves is a perversion of the ammendment.
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calvin natt said:
Just give the rest of us a heads up when this takes place - the gun people vs the US govt. We’ll come back after the bloodshed and you all get it figured out.
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you will know. You are part of the people trying to get the government to remove guns. You will be on the government side.

you will know…
 
Phatguysrule said:
It hasn't happened at the national level in the US. That's part of the point of the 2nd ammendment. They wouldn't allow a problem to get that big, as it's a fight the government cannot win with an armed population.

But again, that's just one reason for the second ammendment. Making it seem like that's the only reason people might need to defend themselves is a perversion of the ammendment.
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No, it isn't.

The Second Amendment has a singular, clearly stated purpose: To deter/prevent or counter the threat of America's military being used against American Citizens by a corrupt or conquered American government.

Any talk about defense against home invaders, muggers and rapists is a modern political red herring designed to hide the sole reason for it's creation and existence.

For people who can't understand 1700's English, it simply says "Because America needs a national military to defend us from other countries, American Citizens need to be able to defeat that military force should it ever be used against them.

That's it. Nothing else. The multiple debates leading to the precise wording and enactment of the Second Amendment made this perfectly clear.
 
MARIS61 said:
No, it isn't.

The Second Amendment has a singular, clearly stated purpose: To deter/prevent or counter the threat of America's military being used against American Citizens by a corrupt or conquered American government.

Any talk about defense against home invaders, muggers and rapists is a modern political red herring designed to hide the sole reason for it's creation and existence.

For people who can't understand 1700's English, it simply says "Because America needs a national military to defend us from other countries, American Citizens need to be able to defeat that military force should it ever be used against them.

That's it. Nothing else. The multiple debates leading to the precise wording and enactment of the Second Amendment made this perfectly clear.
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And again the only govt that is fucked up enough where this would be a concern is if it’s Trumpy and in that case all the gun nuts would be on the govt side. I am not too worried about a Bernie Sanders or Pete Buttigieg attempt to kill citizens with our own military.
 
calvin natt said:
And again the only govt that is fucked up enough where this would be a concern is if it’s Trumpy and in that case all the gun nuts would be on the govt side. I am not too worried about a Bernie Sanders or Pete Buttigieg attempt to kill citizens with our own military.
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And again Trump isn't the one trying to take guns away.
So you are straight up wrong on this. Its you are those who share your views, which would be the left. Not the right.

So by your own evidence, guns would be used to fend off a leftist government thing to remove rights like the 2nd amendment from the citizen’s.

You've said people should die for their opinions.
I l, for one, would be very concerned if people who thought like you ran the government. Id rise up against you if you tried to enact your opinions through laws.
So no, the right isn't the concern. Its the left.
 
MARIS61 said:
No, it isn't.

The Second Amendment has a singular, clearly stated purpose: To deter/prevent or counter the threat of America's military being used against American Citizens by a corrupt or conquered American government.

Any talk about defense against home invaders, muggers and rapists is a modern political red herring designed to hide the sole reason for it's creation and existence.

For people who can't understand 1700's English, it simply says "Because America needs a national military to defend us from other countries, American Citizens need to be able to defeat that military force should it ever be used against them.

That's it. Nothing else. The multiple debates leading to the precise wording and enactment of the Second Amendment made this perfectly clear.
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Please post the source to prove this statement?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States_of_America_1992?lang=#141

I see nothing about the sole purpose being war with our own government.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And again Trump isn't the one trying to take guns away.
So you are straight up wrong on this. Its you are those who share your views, which would be the left. Not the right.

So by your own evidence, guns would be used to fend off a leftist government thing to remove rights like the 2nd amendment from the citizen’s.

You've said people should die for their opinions.
I l, for one, would be very concerned if people who thought like you ran the government. Id rise up against you if you tried to enact your opinions through laws.
So no, the right isn't the concern. Its the left.
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For the billionth time nobody is trying to take your guns away. Nobody ever will. Nobody can. But the nitwits think this is going to happen, so they are gearing up for a hostile Democrat takeover of the nation by stockpiling AR15 are the sane ones. Got it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And again Trump isn't the one trying to take guns away.
So you are straight up wrong on this. Its you are those who share your views, which would be the left. Not the right.

So by your own evidence, guns would be used to fend off a leftist government thing to remove rights like the 2nd amendment from the citizen’s.

You've said people should die for their opinions.
I l, for one, would be very concerned if people who thought like you ran the government. Id rise up against you if you tried to enact your opinions through laws.
So no, the right isn't the concern. Its the left.
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No one is trying to take guns from responsible gun owners who follow the law. That's just fear mongering by conservative politicians to get in office and trying to keep power. It worked all too well and now the right and left are practically enemies.
 
calvin natt said:
For the billionth time nobody is trying to take your guns away. Nobody ever will. Nobody can. But the nitwits think this is going to happen, so they are gearing up for a hostile Democrat takeover of the nation by stockpiling AR15 are the sane ones. Got it.
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for the gazillionth time one meed look no fiterh than this forum to find individuals who would like to remove guns.
No one has tried yet… until they do.

all the talk a out gun laws and its bad people who like them lead gun owners to want to be prepared.
Your own obsession with those who owns guns is causing them to do the very thing you don't like.

Maybe if every time a shooting happens people
Don't try to dumb down gun owners, then gun owner ls would feel a potential threat to thier right to own guns.

you are fueling the fire you want put out….


If everytime a shooting happens the left would focus on the shooter instead of the gun then maybe gun owners might not feel people are coming after thier guns.


its the illogical focus on guns and not the shooter that makes the right push back.

if the focus was on the shooter and not the guns, the right would not push back and likely help in trying to get guns out of the hands of those with mental issues.

Until the left addresses the problem at its root (which is mental instability, not how many guns are out there) then the right is gonna push back.
 
Chris Craig said:
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No one is trying to take guns from responsible gun owners who follow the law. That's just fear mongering by conservative politicians to get in office and trying to keep power. It worked to well and now the right and left are practically enemies.
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oh yes they are.

just read this forum.
You cant be serious withthis. Read my other post i just made.
Many people are trying and want guns taking away. Through illegal action? Of course not.
But its only legal until the line is crossed.
The opinion is guns are bad and should be removed. By the left continually dismissing the mental aspect and blaming guns, its a clear sign people want and might try to take guns away.

To deny that is not keeping it real with whats going on. Period.
 
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