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Phatguysrule said:
There is nothing preventing them from being free.

I've seen people buy new 3d printers for under $20. Though I missed out on the "sale".

I've also seen them gifted, or taken as scrap and repaired, like many other tools which could be used to make guns.

But you aren't actually making an argument in good faith, so I won't go into further detail.
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You confuse me brother…..for somebody that has your political opinions and views on COVID that you do…..why take this stance on guns. Obviously everybody can view things however they want, but do you ever notice that your feeling about machine guns don’t align with the other messages you put out. Very interesting.
 
THE HCP said:
You confuse me brother…..for somebody that has your political opinions and views on COVID that you do…..why take this stance on guns. Obviously everybody can view things however they want, but do you ever notice that your feeling about machine guns don’t align with the other messages you put out. Very interesting.
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Dude, not sure if you realize how ridiculous this sounds. Not everyone fits into your boxes. You seem to buy into the left-right paradigm WAY too heavily. The world isn’t binary and most of the shit you see on tv doesn’t represent most people.
 
jonnyboy said:
Dude, not sure if you realize how ridiculous this sounds. Not everyone fits into your boxes. You seem to buy into the left-right paradigm WAY too heavily. The world isn’t binary and most of the shit you see on tv doesn’t represent most people.
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Yeah you’re right, I apologize.
More guns, banning of books, not wanting women to have the right to choose, no such thing as global warming, voted for trump, against getting vaccinated…..yeah those don’t usually go together. Don’t know what I was thinking. I’m so ridiculous to think people with those traits would run in the same circle.
 
THE HCP said:
Yeah you’re right, I apologize.
More guns, banning of books, not wanting women to have the right to choose, no such thing as global warming, voted for trump, against getting vaccinated…..yeah those don’t usually go together. Don’t know what I was thinking. I’m so ridiculous to think people with those traits would run in the same circle.
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You just rattled off a list of things you don’t like and you want to put your stamp on anyone who might adhere to even one of them. Yes, it’s ridiculous. You want to simplify the way you profile people because it’s easier for you write someone off that way. Your confusion over phatguysrule position on firearms proves this. He’s making you have to reconsider how you judge people.
 
Man, you got me all figured out. You don’t think people who are pro-life AREN’T pro guns? You don’t think those 2 didn’t vote for trump? You don’t think they believe in global warming? You think either is vaccinated.
 
THE HCP said:
Why would I ever assume those people would view things the same.
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Because some do, and that’s enough for you to throw them ALL in the trash. Easier that way, don’t have to think.
 
jonnyboy said:
Because some do, and that’s enough for you to throw them ALL in the trash. Easier that way, don’t have to think.
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Keep on fighting the fight and defending these people. You are truly a champion of the closed minded.
 
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THE HCP said:
Why would I ever assume those people would view things the same.
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Hey just because an OVERWHELMING percentage of a type of person fit into one political party doesn’t mean you should ever make generalizations. I mean even if just one democrat has a gun, then everyone loves guns
 
THE HCP said:
You confuse me brother…..for somebody that has your political opinions and views on COVID that you do…..why take this stance on guns. Obviously everybody can view things however they want, but do you ever notice that your feeling about machine guns don’t align with the other messages you put out. Very interesting.
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I don't make decisions based on political leanings. I make decisions based on statistics.

Vaccines are statistically proven to work with almost zero downside. Virtually no lives negatively impacted. Same with my proposed solutions on climate change and the homeless. The income gap. Healthcare. All upside, very little downside.

However, prohibition doesn't work when something is in demand by millions of people. It never has. Booze, Marijuana, Hard Drugs, etc... We've already tried a national assault weapons ban. It didn't work. At all. In fact, it just made assault weapons more popular, and now we make hunting rifles LOOK like assault weapons.

We've tried strict gun control in cities. It doesn't work. Every legitimate stat or study I can find in support of gun control I can find another stat or study showing it didn't actually work or that the pro gun control stat can legitimately be explained another way.

I don't believe in removing people's rights, especially the middle class and poor, without rock solid evidence that it is necessary. And the gun control argument doesn't come close.

We have far more effective, far less invasive, courses of action we can take. I will not support restrictions on laws abiding citizens until we address those issues first.

The gun control debate is simply a never ending obstacle to getting the changes we actually need.
 
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THE HCP said:
Telephone fighting the fight and defending these people. You are truly a champion of the closed minded.
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Which people was I defending? I’m trying to inform you that not everyone gets painted by your extremely wide brush every time you start generalizing the fuck out of everything and everyone. Keep showing us all how inclusive and open minded you are by getting confused and angry whenever someone steps out of your narrative.
 
jonnyboy said:
Which people was I defending? I’m trying to inform you that not everyone gets painted by your extremely wide brush every time you start generalizing the fuck out of everything and everyone. Keep showing us all how inclusive and open minded you are by getting confused and angry whenever someone steps out of your narrative.
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Oh so you were informing me that EVERY SINGLE PERSON doesn’t think the same. Thank you so much for your help. You put those 5 categories in a poll and see if whoever believes those things stick together when it comes to politics. I’m quite sure I’d be proven correct, And I generalize with the best of ‘em. I’ll create that poll after work. We’ll see.
 
THE HCP said:
Oh so you were informing me that EVERY SINGLE PERSON doesn’t think the same. Thank you so much for your help.
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No worries man, glad you finally were able to grasp the concept 5 posts later. It took awhile, but like we learned today, not everyone thinks the same.
 
jonnyboy said:
Whatever makes it easier for you and HCP to shit on people. Keep telling yourself whatever you need. Just toss all those millions of Republican old people who got vaccinated into the antivaxxer bin because it’s easier to categorize by party. I’m all about organization.
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I don’t need anything to make it easier. I think it’s lame when we all know that you can make generalizations and people should know what you’re talking about, but there’s always those people who just have to say “but but I know a Democrat who has a gun!”, or “no way man I know a Republican who hates trump”. Like no shit. But HCP was commenting on how it is strange (which it is) that Phat is very pro gun/2nd amendment but literally nothing else about him (at least from what I can tell) leans right. It’s not common. That’s all.
 
jonnyboy said:
Whatever makes it easier for you and HCP to shit on people. Keep telling yourself whatever you need. Just toss all those millions of Republican old people who got vaccinated into the antivaxxer bin because it’s easier to categorize by party. I’m all about organization.
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NOW you’re worried about others?
 
calvin natt said:
I don’t need anything to make it easier. I think it’s lame when we all know that you can make generalizations and people should know what you’re talking about, but there’s always those people who just have to say “but but I know a Democrat who has a gun!”, or “no way man I know a Republican who hates trump”. Like no shit. But HCP was commenting on how it is strange (which it is) that Phat is very pro gun/2nd amendment but literally nothing else about him (at least from what I can tell) leans right. It’s not common. That’s all.
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See YOU understand what I was trying to get across. I didn’t think I was shitting on half the country, just trying to make a point about our dude @Phatguysrule
 
jonnyboy said:
No worries man, glad you finally were able to grasp the concept 5 posts later. It took awhile, but like we learned today, not everyone thinks the same.
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Oh you still thought I actually thought EVERYBODY thought the same or majority?
 
THE HCP said:
See YOU understand what I was trying to get across. I didn’t think I was shitting on half the country, just trying to make a point about our dude @Phatguysrule
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No worries. I encourage the conversation if it's in good faith.

I simply don't believe in removing people's rights unless there are no other options. From what I can tell there are many other much more effective options.
 
jonnyboy said:
Whatever makes it easier for you and HCP to shit on people. Keep telling yourself whatever you need. Just toss all those millions of Republican old people who got vaccinated into the antivaxxer bin because it’s easier to categorize by party. I’m all about organization.
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Ding ding ding. Vaxxed conservative here….
 
calvin natt said:
I don’t need anything to make it easier. I think it’s lame when we all know that you can make generalizations and people should know what you’re talking about, but there’s always those people who just have to say “but but I know a Democrat who has a gun!”, or “no way man I know a Republican who hates trump”. Like no shit. But HCP was commenting on how it is strange (which it is) that Phat is very pro gun/2nd amendment but literally nothing else about him (at least from what I can tell) leans right. It’s not common. That’s all.
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I'm for the rights of the middle class and poor. Simple as that. Gun control restricts the middle class and poor unnecessarily.

We can prevent far more violent crime and murder by dropping the push for expanding gun control because that argument prevents progress on education, healthcare, climate change, abortion, etc.

We can do just as much good by only restricting violent people, and the right will not push back on that.

Trying to restrict all people's rights is the opposite of progressive policy.
 
It’s funny how the people trying to ban books don’t think “there’s so many books already out there it’s pointless”
 
calvin natt said:
It’s funny how the people trying to ban books don’t think “there’s so many books already out there it’s pointless”
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Banning things millions of people already have and want is generally stupid and pointless...
 
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Phatguysrule said:
They are a personal choice. Like Marijuana. I like the laws that force smokers (of both) outside and away from windows and doors.
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It would be cool if they could force people with guns not to shoot people INSIDE or OUTSIDE.
 
THE HCP said:
It would be cool if they could force people with guns not to shoot people INSIDE or OUTSIDE.
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That's already a law.
Smokers still smoke by walkways and windows on occasion as well.

Laws are a guideline. They aren't really a solution.

As with cigarettes, education is the largest factor.
 
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