Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

[SlyPokerDog]

This shooting is just god calling his children home!

 

[Phatguysrule]

But again. These shooters, from what I can tell, HAVE access to education and healthcare. You are arguing a different topic. Our system isn’t good enough. But the ones who are lighting up schools don’t fall into the “they don’t have access to help” bucket. They are quite often 1) students getting educated 2) from families with access to healthcare. It doesn’t matter.

Those stats include people who have insurance. Even people who have insurance in the US are missed. That's the point. Even if you have insurance in the US you get worse outcomes than other first world countries with Universal Healthcare.

Much of our insurance doesn't even cover mental health. Our doctors are overworked due to artificial scarcity caused by unnecessary filters in education and licensing, created in the late 90s.

We need to completely replace our current healthcare system, and that's why I supported Bernie Sanders over the other Dem candidates who just wanted to tweak Obamacare.

 

[ehizzy3]

An AR15 is an underpowered hunting rifle... It's less lethal than most hunting rifles sold over the last 50 years.

You're not making much sense.

well it’s a pretty powerful weapon to hunt Humans, as the last 10 years have showed us.

You aren’t making much sense.

These killings appear to have happened with a hand gun. Which is illegal for 18 year olds to own or carry in Texas.

wrong.

 

[Phatguysrule]

well it’s a pretty powerful weapon to hunt Humans, as the last 10 years have showed us.

You aren’t making much sense.

wrong.

Source?

 

[Chris Craig]

Watched as much of Texas Moron Abbott's press conference as I could stomach. What a steaming pile of shit. Thoughts and prayers, keep the politics out of it. His take is basically that it is a continuing tragedy that just doesn't seem to have an answer, so pray as hard as you can. What a whitewash (Pun intended). God bless Beto O'Rourke for having the courage to call Governor Asshole out in front of a national audience. Then Governor POS had him physically removed, while the big, fat white, crew cut Joe Bubba "law enforcement" officials surrounding Coward Abbott screamed profanities at him. What a fucked up state. Beto O'Rourke is one of the few (if not only) government official who has actually had the courage to say, "we're coming for your guns." I don't have many heroes, but Beto is rocketing up the list......

Go Beto. Got to call that shit out. Prayers won't solve anything. Action will.

We can pray all we want that Republicans grow a fucking conscience and vote for actual solutions, but its not going to make it happen.

 

[ehizzy3]

Source?

abbott

 

[Chris Craig]

Source?

See school shootings past decade

 

[ehizzy3]

 

[Road Ratt]

Listening to this asshole Abbott talk is making my blood boil. He wants to go as far as say he wants to make it tougher for shooters to enter schools by creating only one entrance/exit, while citing that's the only reasonable preventative measure.

So much delusion these days.

You would bottleneck the entire school as the students all tried to escape from a shooter using the only entrance/exit. Yes, very delusional.

 

[Phatguysrule]

abbott

No clue what that means...

Hand guns have killed over 1000x more humans than ARs have in the US over the last 10 years.

I've so far seen it confirmed that the shooter entered with a handgun and a rifle...

 

[RR7]

I probably say this any time he comes up, but I went to high school with him! He gave me a cool behind the scenes tour of the capitol when we visited D.C.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You would bottleneck the entire school as the students all tried to escape from a shooter using the only entrance/exit. Yes, very delusional.

That's not how it works. By code, school doors cannot be locked from inside. But you can't open then from the outside. You just push the bar from the inside and they open.

There is no bottle neck.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I probably say this any time he comes up, but I went to high school with him! He gave me a cool behind the scenes tour of the capitol when we visited D.C.

You went to school with Ted Cruz?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Go Beto. Got to call that shit out. Prayers won't solve anything. Action will.

We can pray all we want that Republicans grow a fucking conscience and vote for actual solutions, but its not going to make it happen.

Doesn't seem like Democrats will either...

 

[Chris Craig]

That's not how it works. By code, school doors cannot be locked from inside. But you can't open then from the outside. You just push the bar from the inside and they open.

There is no bottle neck.

What's to stop a shooter from shooting the window of the door and reaching in and opening the door. Need some bulletproof glass on those doors.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the grade school where the shooting took place. Multiple buildings. No way to make a single entrance.

 

[Chris Craig]

Doesn't seem like Democrats will either...

They are trying. It takes both sides unfortunately.

 

[calvin natt]

This shooting is just god calling his children home!

Holy fuck. If I read that and one of my kids was in that school I would find this dude and end him.

 

[RR7]

That's not how it works. By code, school doors cannot be locked from inside. But you can't open then from the outside. You just push the bar from the inside and they open.

There is no bottle neck.

It has nothing to do with being locked. The bottle neck is hundreds of people all trying to leave out of 1 door. That's insane. And I imagine also a huge fire safety no no.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the grade school where the shooting took place. Multiple buildings. No way to make a single entrance.

Also to think that someone will shoot at a kid but not shoot a lock or door seems a little silly to me. If that is the case then all kids should wear a lock around their neck while at school.

 

[Chris Craig]

It has nothing to do with being locked. The bottle neck is hundreds of people all trying to leave out of 1 door. That's insane. And I imagine also a huge fire safety no no.

I think what he is saying, is there are multiple doors, they are just all locked. The only one used as an entrance/exit is the front one except in emergency. The other doors would then be available for people to leave out of. Hence no bottleneck.

There are still issues with that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It has nothing to do with being locked. The bottle neck is hundreds of people all trying to leave out of 1 door. That's insane. And I imagine also a huge fire safety no no.

If teachers were armed they could shoot the fire.

 

[calvin natt]

If guns made us safer why aren’t we the safest place in the world?

 

[Phatguysrule]

It has nothing to do with being locked. The bottle neck is hundreds of people all trying to leave out of 1 door. That's insane. And I imagine also a huge fire safety no no.

Schools have dozens of doors. They can exit any of them in the case of emergency...

 

[Chris Craig]

Also to think that someone will shoot at a kid but not shoot a lock or door seems a little silly to me. If that is the case then all kids should wear a lock around their neck while at school.

Keeping the doors locked from the outside during school hours is a good measure, pps does it, but yeah there needs to be more. A shooter could just shoot the glass in the door and reach in and open the door. It will impede them, slow them down, allow more time for students to get to safety, inside classrooms and such. Not much time though.

 

[Chris Craig]

If teachers were armed they could shoot the fire.

Arming teachers will lead to more shootings. A kid could wait till the teacher leaves the classroom and then break into their desk and take their gun. Are the teachers supposed to carry guns on them all day in all the school? Terrible.

More guns is not the answer to gun violence.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If guns made us safer why aren’t we the safest place in the world?

Because we have high rates of desperate and ill people seeing other people who have what appears to be everything every day. It's the gini coefficient problem I've mentioned and linked many times.

I don't think anybody has said guns are a solution for everything. Just that we have them and they aren't going to anywhere.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Keeping the doors locked from the outside during school hours is a good measure, pps does it, but yeah there needs to be more. A shooter could just shoot the glass in the door and reach in and open the door. It will impede them, slow them down, allow more time for students to get to safety, inside classrooms and such. Not much time though.

Polycarbonate is bullet proof and not very expensive.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Arming teachers will lead to more shootings. A kid could wait till the teacher leaves the classroom and then break into their desk and take their gun. Are the teachers supposed to carry guns on them all day in all the school? Terrible.

More guns is not the answer to gun violence.

Where are all the shootings at the private schools our wealthy attend then? They are guarded by armed security...

 

[Phatguysrule]

They are trying. It takes both sides unfortunately.

No, unfortunately they are playing politics. If they weren't they'd be bringing different suggestions to the table.