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Fairly-Hard said:
It’s not just fire though that is a huge issue. Other types of natural disasters and emergencies can occur. Also the entry issues for those in need when let’s say someone is having a heart attack.
Another issue is escape when there is danger such as a broken gas line or chemical release.
The whole lock the doors or reduce the amount of exits shows a laughable lack of understanding.
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Yes, as as I said but did not detail.
 
Phatguysrule said:
My concern with this is, of course if there are more guns there are more gun deaths. But how does that impact overall violent crime and murder rates? If the same number of people die with or without guns in the same place... it's just an incomplete look at the overall picture.

For example, in Oregon, WA, and California, when gun laws were increased it didn't reduce violent crime or murder rates. Or even gun crime, as far as that goes. They have all gone up.

Also, most of the cities and states with higher gun crime rates (not to mention higher overall violent crime and murder rates) have terrible access to mental healthcare compared to others... which likely has a pretty big impact as well.
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Well, murder and gun violence rates have not gone up as a result of strict gun laws in the rest of the industrialized world for well over a Billion people. Also, states such as Illinois with more strict gun laws get their guns from states like Indiana were laws are loose.
 
Phatguysrule said:
School shootings were here, for sure. They've always been there. But a ton of "non firearm" stuff has changed since 2018... I don't think guns are generally easier to get though, I don't think there have been any changes which would lead to that... even of the states who have chosen to go permitless open carry... that doesn't make it easier to get guns...
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It's already easy ever since the Supreme Court made its' blunder.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Only because Dems let that stop them...
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If you mean the Democrats let it stop them as well as the Republicans made it stop them by not letting Democrats win a Super Majority of elections.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
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Shades of Putin
 
Lanny said:
If you mean the Democrats let it stop them as well as the Republicans made it stop them by not letting Democrats win a Super Majority of elections.
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Couldn't Dems get rid of the filibuster and pass whatever they want without a Super Majority? Couldn't they also pack the court to protect Roe?
 
Lanny said:
It's already easy ever since the Supreme Court made its' blunder.
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Yeah, it's been easy forever, so what is the actual cause of the increase?
Actually, it's been easy to get semi-automatics with magazines for like 50-75 years here in the the US...
 
Lanny said:
Well, murder and gun violence rates have not gone up as a result of strict gun laws in the rest of the industrialized world for well over a Billion people. Also, states such as Illinois with more strict gun laws get their guns from states like Indiana were laws are loose.
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They have gone up in the UK, as well as Brazil... and our violent crime and intentional homicide rates have dropped just as much as Australia's...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Couldn't Dems get rid of the filibuster and pass whatever they want without a Super Majority? Couldn't they also pack the court to protect Roe?
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There are all Republicans and two Democrats that would prevent that.
The two Democrats would lose reelections should they vote with the Democrats on this issue and that would be even worse. Same goes for packing the court.
 
Lanny said:
There are all Republicans and two Democrats that would prevent that.
The two Democrats would lose reelections should they vote with the Democrats on this issue and that would be even worse. Same goes for packing the court.
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Agreed. Which is why it will not ever happen, and we should be focusing on other ways to address this, rather than rehashing the same old wedge issue.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. Which is why it will not ever happen, and we should be focusing on other ways to address this, rather than rehashing the same old wedge issue.
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The issue can only be handled at the national level.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Couldn't Dems get rid of the filibuster and pass whatever they want without a Super Majority? Couldn't they also pack the court to protect Roe?
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Yes but they would need votes of every Democrat and two of them refuse. No matter what.
Machin has excuse of coming from conservative state, but Sinema ran as a progressive, member of Code Pink, former Green Party.
 
crandc said:
Yes but they would need votes of every Democrat and two of them refuse. No matter what.
Machin has excuse of coming from conservative state, but Sinema ran as a progressive, member of Code Pink, former Green Party.
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Agreed. So that's why I'm suggesting alternatives we could actually make progress on.
 
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America’s Door Problem & What Foreigners Think About the USA’s Mass Shootings

 
Road Ratt said:
'Madness': Ohio GOP Passes Bill to Arm Teachers

"We aren't trusted with the books we choose, but somehow we're supposed to be trusted with a gun in school?" asked one teachers' union leader.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/02/madness-ohio-gop-passes-bill-arm-teachers
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As long as they are trained and responsible they should be allowed to arm and defend themselves.

Absolutely agree. I don't think anybody is being forced into something they don't want.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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This is a big problem with people trying to regulate things they don't understand.

People who don't understand the internet can't competently regulate the internet and people who don't understand guns can't competently regulate guns.

They just come off sounding like a idiots...

It's a shame the Dems are lowering themselves to giving this loser ammunition against them.
 
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We should have background checks for installing doors. You can't install doors without a background check, and soon, there will be less doors that people with evil intents can get in and out of. Soon, churches and schools and hospitals will have no doors at all and non of the mentally unstable people can come in them and harm the innocents.

The problem of course is that so many people sign NDA - and they hold our nation hostage. At the very least, abolish revolving doors which let more people get into places. Sometimes 3 times as much as other doors.
 
stampedehero said:
You must watch This. Start @:47
(153) A Marine Corps rifle and pistol coach speaks out. Gun Control Debate Second Amendment Robb Uvalde TX - YouTube
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This guy is a fucking idiot.

Of course American citizens have more rights to do what they want with their property than marines. Marines aren't allowed to do a lot of things in their barracks that civilians are allowed to do. Like fuck their girlfriend or keep midnight snacks on hand. Or smoke cigarettes and get wasted on alcohol.

What an insane and idiotic argument.

He knows nothing about the constitution.
I've already covered this.

"Well regulated" at the time the constitution was written meant to be capable or well functioning. And "militia" meant civilian infantry.

So the constitution intended for civilians to be a capable infantry, and have access to own and train with typical infantry weapons to make that possible.

Regardless of whether you agree with that right or not, it's pretty clear, unless you deny those intentions.
 
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andalusian said:
We should have background checks for installing doors. You can't install doors without a background check, and soon, there will be less doors that people with evil intents can get in and out of. Soon, churches and schools and hospitals will have no doors at all and non of the mentally unstable people can come in them and harm the innocents.

The problem of course is that so many people sign NDA - and they hold our nation hostage. At the very least, abolish revolving doors which let more people get into places. Sometimes 3 times as much as other doors.
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Nobody has suggested removing doors, and the argument that they have is counterproductive and comes off as dishonest. This kind of behavior costs Democrats the support of the moderate right, and to many people, it makes Dems look no better than the Republicans.

Reducing the number of authorized entrances and exits helps administrators keep an eye on things during high traffic times and prevents unauthorized entry at other times. It's a very simple concept and one that has been in use in many schools and other buildings for years without violating safety codes or causing any problems at all.

There is no legal ban from arming yourself at most places (other than schools) unless there are armed defenses in place. So pretty much any place with a revolving door you are protected by ample armed security or you are legally allowed to arm yourself for self defense.
 
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