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Senator Coons made it clear his bill was about gun storage, not hunting trips under adult supervision.
I'm no hunter but pretty sure hunters don't use assault weapons for deer or pheasant.
 
Chris Craig said:
So, the states with the most gun violence are the states with the most guns. Red conservative states. Hmm.
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doesn't look that way to me.
Gun violence is highest in cali, tx, florida., oh, pa and ga.

Low in the dakodas, mt, wy. Md, Ct, Ny, Nj


But guns owned are highest in wy, mt, wv, ar, ms, al, ak.

The maps pretty clearly show that states with high gun ownership do not have the high gun crimes,

not sure how you came to your conclusion?
 
Orion Bailey said:
doesn't look that way to me.
Gun violence is highest in cali, tx, florida., oh, pa and ga.

Low in the dakodas, mt, wy. Md, Ct, Ny, Nj


But guns owned are highest in wy, mt, wv, ar, ms, al, ak.

The maps pretty clearly show that states with high gun ownership do not have the high gun crimes,

not sure how you came to your conclusion?
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From the article below the maps:

Gun Violence by State
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are:

  1. Alaska - 24.4
  2. Mississippi - 24.2
  3. Wyoming - 22.3
  4. New Mexico 22.3
  5. Alabama - 22.2
  6. Louisiana - 22.1
  7. Missouri - 20.6
  8. South Carolina - 19.9
  9. Arkansas - 19.3
  10. Montana - 19.3
These states tends to have high gun ownership rates. Montana has the highest with 66.3%, followed by Wyoming with 66.2%, and Alaska with 64.5%.


Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun ownership:

  1. Montana (66.30%)
  2. Wyoming (66.20%)
  3. Alaska (64.50%)
  4. Idaho (60.10%)
  5. West Virginia (58.50%)
  6. Arkansas (57.20%)
  7. Mississippi (55.80%)
  8. Alabama (55.50%)
  9. South Dakota (55.30%)
  10. North Dakota (55.10%)
 
calvin natt said:
WHaTaBOutHUntiNg
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I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching a kid to hunt. At what age is that appropriate is a good question. But, as long as the parent(s) are responsible and teach the kid the dangers and responsibility of using a gun, and lock them away when not hunting with them, I don't see the issue.
 
crandc said:
Senator Coons made it clear his bill was about gun storage, not hunting trips under adult supervision.
I'm no hunter but pretty sure hunters don't use assault weapons for deer or pheasant.
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I haven't read the bill so unclear on the details. I agree kids should not have free roam to any guns without adult supervision. Parents should suffer stiff consequences if their child gets their gun and uses it to harm anyone.

I don't think kids should never be able to touch a semi automatic gun and use it at the shooting range though.

If a 14 year old goes out on a walk in the woods with his dad, you don't know what you will come up against. Bears. Coyotes. Mountain lions.

If a a mountain lion is coming at you, you surely are not going to have time to pull out your rifle and shoot it. That's what a pistol or shotgun or whatever is for.

Kids that go hunting go through a hunter safety course where they have to handle different guns. It has been more than 20 years since I have attended one, but I assume it is similar today. Probably even more stringent.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Are you ok? Is there something wrong about hunting as a kid?

There is nothing wrong with hunting as a kid with adult supervision.

You are such a treat.
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Because it’s so stupid that someone posts “we should keep guns out of kids hands” and the first reaction by someone is no wait what about hunting. No one cares if you hunt. That’s not what he was fucking talking about.
 
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Chris Craig said:
I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching a kid to hunt. At what age is that appropriate is a good question. But, as long as the parent(s) are responsible and teach the kid the dangers and responsibility of using a gun, and lock them away when not hunting with them, I don't see the issue.
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Thank you for being reasonable.
 
I was taught to hunt with one bullet and until that bullet brought food to the table I wouldn't get another one....we butchered cattle on the farm and killing animals was required from time to time...this is on a 300 acre farm 3 miles from a town with 75 people....rural folks aren't usually found shooting up schools and malls....that's an urban problem. I've lived in countries where you're not allowed to have guns and the freedom that comes with the safety in those countries is pretty awesome...your chances of getting shot or you child shooting a school up are zero in countries with strict gun ownership laws and in modern america.....few guns are purchased for the purpose of hunting or feeding the family...they are overwhelmingly for personal power and protection which, without guns everywhere would not be necessary. Manually chambered hunting rifles are not the problem in this country...it's assault weapons or pistols that are used to kill people for the most part; I think it's the type of guns that has escalated the scope of public shootings as much as anything besides a serious need for anger management and mental health awareness...I own a rifle and a shotgun for cougars or bear etc...although I've never had reason to shoot a cougar or bear so it's a useless thing to have from my experience....I hunt mushrooms and fish but haven't shot wild game with a gun since 1969...even back then I preferred bow hunting to guns.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
Hunting is not keeping guns out of kids hands. See my post above about mountain lions, bears, coyotes.

These posts continue to show the lack of maturity in having a reasonable conversation.
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Great then please stop trying
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Hunting is not keeping guns out of kids hands. See my post above about mountain lions, bears, coyotes.

These posts continue to show the lack of maturity in having a reasonable conversation.
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Some people are simply unable to have a conversation with someone they disagree with, without thinking the other person is a fucking idiot and proceeding to mock, ridicule and insult them.

and they think the conversational issues are with the other person…
 
Most school shooters are too young to legally purchase guns. Mostly they take guns belonging to parents, family friends, otherwise easily accessible. Only in America is the idea of them not being accessible controversial.
Republicans are increasingly gun obsessed as part of worship of toxic masculinity. Look how many pose with guns, often aimed at people with whom they disagree.
 
riverman said:
I was taught to hunt with one bullet and until that bullet brought food to the table I wouldn't get another one....we butchered cattle on the farm and killing animals was required from time to time...this is on a 300 acre farm 3 miles from a town with 75 people....rural folks aren't usually found shooting up schools and malls....that's an urban problem. I've lived in countries where you're not allowed to have guns and the freedom that comes with the safety in those countries is pretty awesome...your chances of getting shot or you child shooting a school up are zero in countries with strict gun ownership laws and in modern america.....few guns are purchased for the purpose of hunting or feeding the family...they are overwhelmingly for personal power and protection which, without guns everywhere would not be necessary. Manually chambered hunting rifles are not the problem in this country...it's assault weapons or pistols that are used to kill people for the most part; I think it's the type of guns that has escalated the scope of public shootings as much as anything besides a serious need for anger management and mental health awareness...I own a rifle and a shotgun for cougars or bear etc...although I've never had reason to shoot a cougar or bear so it's a useless thing to have from my experience....I hunt mushrooms and fish but haven't shot wild game with a gun since 1969...even back then I preferred bow hunting to guns.
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I don't think anyone outside the military really needs to have an assault rifle. I get there are collectors. There are also people who are doing it in an overindulgent way to recognize the 2nd amendment. It really comes off as egotistical, immoderate, and overcompensatory though. A handgun is sufficient at protecting your family if you really need a gun.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If a a mountain lion is coming at you, you surely are not going to have time to pull out your rifle and shoot it. That's what a pistol or shotgun or whatever is for.
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If you are seriously worried about mountain lion attacks you should probably just stay out of the woods.
It's like thinking cities are unsafe because a gun safe might fall out of a window and smash you into the sidewalk.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If you are seriously worried about mountain lion attacks you should probably just stay out of the woods.
It's like thinking cities are unsafe because a gun safe might fall out of a window and smash you into the sidewalk.

barfo
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What a stupid thing to say. I have been out in the woods and have seen a mountain lion while hunting. Have you?
 
Chris Craig said:
I don't think anyone outside the military really needs to have an assault rifle. I get there are collectors. There are also people who are doing it in an overindulgent way to recognize the 2nd amendment. It really comes off as egotistical, immoderate, and over compensatory though. A handgun is sufficient at protecting your family if you really need a gun.
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A shotgun is even better at protecting your family.

No need for crazy assault rifles to protect the family.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
What a stupid thing to say. I have been out in the woods and have seen a mountain lion while hunting. Have you?
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No, but I've seen a mountain lion while not hunting. It didn't attack me. Did the one you saw attack you? I bet it didn't.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No, but I've seen a mountain lion while not hunting. It didn't attack me. Did the one you saw attack you? I bet it didn't.

barfo
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It did not. But it definitely was interested in what I was doing. Glad I had my pistol in case it did come at me.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
It did not. But it definitely was interested in what I was doing. Glad I had my pistol in case it did come at me.
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I'm sure you felt safer. But you were very safe even without the firearm. Mountain lion attacks are an extremely rare event. Much more likely to be hit by a falling tree, or lightning, or fall down a hill, or have a heart attack, or get lost in the woods, or get a snakebite, or be killed by another human shooting at what he thought was game, or ...

barfo
 
crandc said:
Most school shooters are too young to legally purchase guns. Mostly they take guns belonging to parents, family friends, otherwise easily accessible. Only in America is the idea of them not being accessible controversial.
Republicans are increasingly gun obsessed as part of worship of toxic masculinity. Look how many pose with guns, often aimed at people with whom they disagree.
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We have to get passed all this, "They're going to take all our guns" hysteria. The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere. No one is coming to take responsible people's guns. It's not happening and won't happen. It needs to stop being used as an excuse of the right.

I think the worry for the right is, if they give any ground, if we start making laws to take away guns from irresponsible citizens, then it's a step towards taking their guns away. And, it will only lead to one thing, their guns getting taken away. It's not true though. What it is, is a step towards accountability. If we have accountability then those who wish can peacefully observe their right to bare arms.

We need to as a country take accountability of the rising death count of innocent children because of guns that were to easily accessible, in this lastest case in a bedside drawer with no lock or anything.

We have to stop with this sideism bullshit and do what is right. We can't prevent every shooting, but we can prevent alot of them. We can cut down the number of these incidents by a large degree if we are responsible and engaged on this issue.
 
barfo said:
I'm sure you felt safer. But you were very safe even without the firearm. Mountain lion attacks are an extremely rare event. Much more likely to be hit by a falling tree, or lightning, or fall down a hill, or have a heart attack, or get lost in the woods, or get a snakebite, or be killed by another human shooting at what he thought was game, or ...

barfo
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Spoken like someone who doesn't hunt. Easy for you to say you don't need something out there when you aren't out there. They can and do attack hunters. As well as other animals that could attack hunters.

Having a rifle as your only weapon out there is idiotic.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think we might have found a possible solution then...

Allow mountain lions to go to school.
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