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riverman said:
I doubt you're fluid in Arabic or Farsi or listen to their tv or radio stations...maybe I'm wrong
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No, but I'd bet many on the left that want to take down Trump are, though. Haven't heard a peep out of them, either.
 
lawai'a said:
a christian,
Knowing their hypocrisy he said to them,
“Why are you testing me?
Bring me a denarius to look at.”
They brought one to him and he said to them,
“Whose image and inscription is this?”
They replied to him, “Caesar’s.”
So Jesus said to them,
“Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar
and to God what belongs to God.”
They were utterly amazed at him.
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Romans 13:1-2: Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.
 
ABM said:
No, but I'd bet many on the left that want to take down Trump are, though. Haven't heard a peep out of them, either.
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the world is pretty much on virus lockdown....don't know if you've noticed but read up on recent activity in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria and see how calm they are....you want to talk about ISIS...it's your entry to the thread...yet you've said nothing about ISIS or foreign affairs concerning Islamic organizations in foreign countries...we have problems right here....don't read a lot about Mexican rapists either these days eh? I read Trump will try to bring all the troops home before November for a bump in the polls but trust me,,the polls are why he'll do it...not to protect you
 
what does that have to do with my political affiliation?
ABM said:
Romans 13:1-2: Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.
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riverman said:
the world is pretty much on virus lockdown....don't know if you've noticed but read up on recent activity in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria and see how calm they are....you want to talk about ISIS...it's your entry to the thread...yet you've said nothing about ISIS or foreign affairs concerning Islamic organizations in foreign countries...we have problems right here....don't read a lot about Mexican rapists either these days eh? I read Trump will try to bring all the troops home before November for a bump in the polls but trust me,,the polls are why he'll do it...not to protect you
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What I'm saying is, I heard Obama commenting on ISIS, ISIL, and the like almost ad nauseam during his administration. Lots and lot of trash. I'm certainly not saying those guys are going away by any stretch. The radio silence is deafening. Oh, and this has been long before COVID-19 hit center stage.
 
ABM said:
Romans 13:1-2: Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.
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is this the very same passage used to defend slavery? context, in the entirety, Paul's message is one of contempt, to resist within the law.
 
ABM said:
What I'm saying is, I heard Obama commenting on ISIS, ISIL, and the like almost ad nauseam during his administration. Lots and lot of trash. I'm certainly not saying those guys are going away by any stretch. The radio silence is deafening. Oh, and this has been long before COVID-19 hit center stage.
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Listen to what Obama has been saying for the last week....the dialogue is current and it's not about another country, it's about this one.
 
lawai'a said:
is this the very same passage used to defend slavery? context, in the entirety, Paul's message is one of contempt, to resist within the law.
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America is a democratic republic. I doubt anyone voted in slavery.
 
riverman said:
Listen to what Obama has been saying for the last week....the dialogue is current and it's not about another country, it's about this one.
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I have, and he's a wonderful orator.
 
Propagandist said:
I'm reluctant. In my experience you will not engage in a good faith discussion...

I mean, @lawai'a is good-booking you down the block like a bully and you just dig your heels in deeper or switch the subject.
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Hmmmm....OK.
 
ABM said:
Trump has certainly had his checkered past. But, now that I think of it, so have I. As President Trump he certainly does appear to have a stable marriage, good kids, and all that, though. Who is he not honestly representing?
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Good kids??? Good Kids??? They’re conmen, scam artists and grifters, just like the man who whelped them. My God, do you not have any kind of awareness at all??? The best part of those “kids” ran down their daddy’s leg....and we’re going to Be paying the price long after Father Moron is left this earth.....
 
ABM said:
What are you attempting to say here?
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isn't that what you praised Trump for....stable marriage (3rd one 25 sexual harrassment lawsuits) great kids (highly debateable) …..yet when you mention Obama it's....."all he ever talked about was ISIS"...no mention of ...great dad...good husband...church going dude....double standard anyone?
 
lawai'a said:
American churches slavery defense included from the Apostle Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians, VI, 5-7: “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters
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What does that have to do with Romans 13?
 
ABM said:
Perhaps. There are many commentaries out there, though. Here's but one.

https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/romans-13/
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as you admit, yours isn't the true interpretation but one that defends your point of view. there are others that would dispute it as authoritative. here is another. if the law/authaurity is morally unjust there is no obligation to follow that authority.
[13:1–7] Paul must come to grips with the problem raised by a message that declares people free from the law. How are they to relate to Roman authority? The problem was exacerbated by the fact that imperial protocol was interwoven with devotion to various deities. Paul builds on the traditional instruction exhibited in Wis 6:1–3, according to which kings and magistrates rule by consent of God. From this perspective, then, believers who render obedience to the governing authorities are obeying the one who is highest in command. At the same time, it is recognized that Caesar has the responsibility to make just ordinances and to commend uprightness; cf. Wis 6:4–21. That Caesar is not entitled to obedience when such obedience would nullify God’s prior claim to the believers’ moral decision becomes clear in the light of the following verses.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Good kids??? Good Kids??? They’re conmen, scam artists and grifters, just like the man who whelped them. My God, do you not have any kind of awareness at all??? The best part of those “kids” ran down their daddy’s leg....and we’re going to Be paying the price long after Father Moron is left this earth.....
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Try putting yourself in a place where you could view Trump's kids as good kids without laughing. It is actually impossible, and yet, @ABM can somehow occupy that space. (Perhaps he is the religious arm of @MARIS61, trolling us all...)
 
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ABM has repeatedly made it clear that his top priority is forced pregnancy and any misconduct, 105,000 dead Americans and counting, 30 million unemployed, 18,000 lies are all OK if he can force his will on women's bodies.

Another black person killed by cops? Who cares? Well, some of us but not Trumpers.
 
riverman said:
isn't that what you praised Trump for....stable marriage (3rd one 25 sexual harrassment lawsuits) great kids (highly debateable) …..yet when you mention Obama it's....."all he ever talked about was ISIS"...no mention of ...great dad...good husband...church going dude....double standard anyone?
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Talk about conflation
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Good kids??? Good Kids??? They’re conmen, scam artists and grifters, just like the man who whelped them. My God, do you not have any kind of awareness at all??? The best part of those “kids” ran down their daddy’s leg....and we’re going to Be paying the price long after Father Moron is left this earth.....
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In the light of calling Trump having moral issues, I think he's done not so bad since in office.
 
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