Fuck this healthcare Reform...

[bluefrog]

Mexico gets universal health care

Under the plan, children with leukemia have been cured, women receive breast cancer treatment, elderly people get cataract operations and people with H.I.V. are assured their drugs. Usually at no cost.

Even critics who argue that the government is failing to live up to the promise of universal health coverage acknowledge that Mexico’s program saves lives and protects families from falling into poverty in many cases of catastrophic illness.

The money goes from the federal government to state governments, depending on how many people each state enrolls. From there, it is up to state governments to spend the money properly so that patients get the promised care.

That, critics say, is the plan’s biggest weakness. State governments have every incentive to register large numbers, but they do not face any accountability for how they spend the money.

 

[Denny Crane]

Interesting that he threw out the whole bill because of the individual mandate even though parts of the bill have nothing to do with that.

Obama's lawyers claimed 14 times in their argument that the entire legislation was dependent on the individual mandate.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not sure what your point is. How is eliminating 8 justices who cancel each others votes the same as anointing Obama dictator?

barfo

If you're chucking the constitution, why not go for what you really want?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Florida judge just ruled law is unconstitutional.

http://bainbridgega.com/news/publish/013111hcare.shtml

Obamacare has been ruled unconstitutional by a Federal Judge in a 26-state lawsuit on Monday.

U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson in Pensacola, Florida made the ruling that is certain to be appealed. Many hope the issue is forwarded directly to the Supreme Court rather than take the time consuming track through all the courts before the final ruling is ultimately made by the Supreme Court.

The critical issue is the mandate that everyone is required to purchase health insurance, and if a person does not do so, then the individual must pay a penalty. The ruling stated that this was an overreach of federal government authority in that they have no authority to require persons to make a purchase.

Another critical issue was the expansion of the eligibility for medicaid. This was done in the 2,000 page healthcare bill in order to shift some cost away from the federal government. The burden of billions of dollars of additional costs was placed onto the states without providing any federal funds.With the mandate ruled unconstitutional, and no severance clause in the bill, Judge Vinson ruled the whole healthcare bill unconstitutional.

The Republican leaders of the House of Representatives began weeks ago putting together a new healthcare bill that concentrated on cutting healthcare costs without the tax increase included in Obamacare nor the cost increases placed business that is contributing to the lack of economic recovery, and jobs. Their goal is to re-enact a number of provisions that help people who can not now get heathcare coverage.

This judge was appointed by Regan so it would follow he has a conservative bent.

However, the healthcare bill is clearly unconstitutional in at least a couple of areas so these rulings come as no surprise. Now, it's on to the US Supreme Court on appeal.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not sure what your point is. How is eliminating 8 justices who cancel each others votes the same as anointing Obama dictator?

barfo

[video=youtube;qWvnj2kWNmw]

 

[Denny Crane]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/01/left_unreasoned_and_unprepared.html

Left unprepared for ObamaCare ruling

...

These are complaints, not legal arguments. And they suggest that the left was totally unprepared for the constitutional attack on their beloved handiwork. After all, the recent mocking by the left of conservatives' reverence for the Constitution suggests they are mystified that a 200-year old document could get in the way of their historic achievement. They are truly nonplussed, and so they vamp, not with reasoned analysis but with an outpouring of adjectives.

...

From the opinion (the defendants are the Obama officials):

Having determined that the individual mandate exceeds Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, and cannot be saved by application of the Necessary and Proper Clause, the next question is whether it is severable from the remainder of the Act. In considering this issue, I note that the defendants have acknowledged that the individual mandate and the Act's health insurance reforms, including the guaranteed issue and community rating, will rise or fall together as these reforms "cannot be severed from the [individual mandate]."

Oops. Not some crazy judge, but the administration was the source of the notion that the individual mandate can't be severed from the rest of the law.

 

[maxiep]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/florida-ruling-requires-government-to-stop-implementing-obamacare/

 

[maxiep]

A wonderful editorial

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6116090813454296.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Mexico gets universal health care

Mexico has pretty bad healthcare. We have an employee down there that got one of those blood clots in his leg that could spread around...he has to take a bus to mexico city from Acapulco every week for a followup. Long wait too. Dealt with a few other issues there...its not very good at all. Very slappy.

 

[bluefrog]

Mexico has pretty bad healthcare. We have an employee down there that got one of those blood clots in his leg that could spread around...he has to take a bus to mexico city from Acapulco every week for a followup. Long wait too. Dealt with a few other issues there...its not very good at all. Very slappy.

The US has better health care than Mexico. Also Lebron James is a good basketball player.

 

[maxiep]

The White House is calling this ruling "Judicial Activism". I look forward to reading the missives about Emmanuel Goldstein from the Ministry of Truth.

 

[blazerboy30]

The US has better health care than Mexico. Also Lebron James is a good basketball player.

Was there a point you were trying to make with your post about Mexico getting universal healthcare or was it just an FYI?

 

[barfo]

If you're chucking the constitution, why not go for what you really want?

You are confused about what my point was.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

You are confused about what my point was.

barfo

What point would that be? The silly one in this thread, or the sum of all the "points" you've made to date?

;-)

 

[barfo]

What point would that be? The silly one in this thread, or the sum of all the "points" you've made to date?

;-)

Let's go for the latter. I'm pretty sure you miss any and all points.

barfo

 

[bluefrog]

Was there a point you were trying to make with your post about Mexico getting universal healthcare or was it just an FYI?

Just FYI. No point in starting a whole new thread on the topic.

 

[Denny Crane]

Let's go for the latter. I'm pretty sure you miss any and all points.

barfo

I rolled them all up into the one you basically make all the time.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The White House is calling this ruling "Judicial Activism". I look forward to reading the missives about Emmanuel Goldstein from the Ministry of Truth.

Smoke screen. I think they knew all along the compelling people to buy health care was not going to fly and that they could make changes on the fly as they anticipated a democrat controlled congress.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey barfo,

SCOTUS doesn't always vote 5-4. Sometimes it's 6-3 or 7-2 or even 9-0.

Anyhow, the democrats simply blew their chance to foist something/anything on the people for the sake of it (and political "points"). They focused on health insurance for everyone instead of health care for everyone, and at a cost of $trillions.

All along I suggested, and even backed, the government opening its own hospitals and clinics and hiring doctors and nurses and buying the machinery and medicines to provide what people actually need. Health CARE.

There could be no legal challenge to using taxes to pay for it. There could be no legal challenge to charging people at these hospitals and clinics for the CARE provided.

At least they would have provided people with the choice of paying the cheap govt. fees or the expensive insurance backed ones.

Not only did they fight a battle not worth fighting, they lost.

 

[maxiep]

Is there any question Elena Kagan should recuse herself?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130205734

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704288204575363112109060620.html

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/senators-finally-press-kagan-about-obamacare/

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Is there any question Elena Kagan should recuse herself?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130205734

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704288204575363112109060620.html

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/senators-finally-press-kagan-about-obamacare/

Seems like she should.

 

[maxiep]

Seems like she should.

There are a few points here:

1. As SG, she was the constitutional expert @ DOJ. I would find it hard to believe that she didn't analyze the constitutional position of this bill on behalf of the Administration.

2. She is a close friend of this President, back to their U of C days lunching at the Quad Club. She worked on his campaign as an advisor. The idea she had no input on the design of this bill strains credulity.

3. Look at the cases from which she has recused herself: ANYTHING that could even be viewed as a conflict, she has backed away from. Yet on this one, she has remained mute on the issue of recusal.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

There are a few points here:

1. As SG, she was the constitutional expert @ DOJ. I would find it hard to believe that she didn't analyze the constitutional position of this bill on behalf of the Administration.

2. She is a close friend of this President, back to their U of C days lunching at the Quad Club. She worked on his campaign as an advisor. The idea she had no input on the design of this bill strains credulity.

3. Look at the cases from which she has recused herself: ANYTHING that could even be viewed as a conflict, she has backed away from. Yet on this one, she has remained mute on the issue of recusal.

I agree with point #1, but not #2. As an friend it's a stretch to make her an advisor.

 

[maxiep]

I agree with point #1, but not #2. As an friend it's a stretch to make her an advisor.

She was officially attached to the campaign and was promised the SG position. That's why I used the term "advisor".

 

[barfo]

Hey barfo,

SCOTUS doesn't always vote 5-4. Sometimes it's 6-3 or 7-2 or even 9-0.

Whoa! Really? You just blew my mind, man!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48726.html

Senate repeals part of health care law

The Senate voted Wednesday for the first time to repeal a piece of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, rolling back a new tax reporting requirement that’s been universally panned by business owners.

The amendment to repeal the 1099 reporting requirement passed 81-17 with broad bipartisan support.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48726.html

Senate repeals part of health care law

The Senate voted Wednesday for the first time to repeal a piece of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, rolling back a new tax reporting requirement that’s been universally panned by business owners.

The amendment to repeal the 1099 reporting requirement passed 81-17 with broad bipartisan support.

This is going to be interesting.

The US Supreme court is most likely going to decide as to the constitutionality of either two controversial areas of Obamacare or in its entirety. In the meantime the Republicans in the Senate laid out a salvo to repeal the act, but were rebuffed along party lines. However, the Democrats are starting to jettison some weaker provisions- something they were unwilling to do when they had control of both houses, and keeping a nervous eye on 2012. There are things they would have been wiser to do when the bill was being debated. I'll be curious to see how much is chipped away until the Supreme court weighs in.

I hope Congress is working on a Plan B.

 

[maxiep]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48726.html

Senate repeals part of health care law

The Senate voted Wednesday for the first time to repeal a piece of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, rolling back a new tax reporting requirement that’s been universally panned by business owners.

The amendment to repeal the 1099 reporting requirement passed 81-17 with broad bipartisan support.

Why not? It's passed so supporters of this plan no longer care how much the bill costs. The entire reason the unreasonable 1099 statute was in there in the first place was to try to gather as much revenue as possible so CBO scoring could be kept under $1T.

We'll now see all the other unpopular parts of the bill get pulled while all the stuff that really costs us money will stay. And that's what the Democrats want. It was a plan, and the Republicans are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

 

[huevonkiller]

The White House is calling this ruling "Judicial Activism". I look forward to reading the missives about Emmanuel Goldstein from the Ministry of Truth.

Nice usage. :O

 

[BlazerWookee]

Mexico gets universal health care

Maybe if we subsidize theirs, it'll reverse the flow of illegals?

<trying to keep a straight face>