Game Thread GAME# 1: JAZZ @ BLAZERS - DECEMBER 23, 2020 - WEDNESDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

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Predict the Western teams from below that will finish ahead of the Blazers in the standings.

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illmatic99 said:
5/205 extension for Gobert. You better believe Nurk is going after a similar deal next yr. Obviously not as high, but not too far from it.
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pretty sure it’s not even possible for Nurk to be qualified for that type of deal.
Unless I have bad info, you need to do things like make an all nba team or defensive player of the year, etc to be qualified for a max like this
 
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/jusuf-nurkic/

538 rated Nurk as a borderline all star and projects his value to be around 33 mil per yr. They don't really take CBA into consideration. But I estimate his new deal if he performs this year like he did in the bubble, to be around 25-30 mil/yr.

4/100 would be a steal for a top 10 center.
 
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illmatic99 said:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/jusuf-nurkic/

538 rated Nurk as a borderline all star and projects his value to be around 33 mil per yr. They don't really take CBA into consideration. But I estimate his new deal if he performs this year like he did in the bubble, to be around 25-30 mil/yr.

4/100 would be a steal for a top 10 center.
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Outdated:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-player-projections/jusuf-nurkic/

Key role player.

Worth: 16M.

For the record, these projects are very wonky for players coming off injury, case in point:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-player-projections/kevin-durant/
 
Anyways back on topic, what’s the rotation for this one?

My guess is everyone will play except Elleby and Nas. Kanter over Giles since Utah’s backup center is Beefy Favors. I did notice Giles playing more and more four, especially in the last preseason game, so maybe he’ll get some minutes there. I’m intrigued by the idea of him next to Nurk. I remember couple of seasons ago Nurk developed good chemistry with Vonleh, so I could see the pairing work out.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I'm not CJ hating but if the season was that big of a disaster I would just assume that Stotts would be out and CJ would be the player/contract we would be trading with the first pick for the star to come in and really help Dame.
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We would not get a star for CJ & a 1st round pick. We would likely get someone worse than CJ or someone as good as CJ with a horrible contract as well.
 
Tince said:
We would not get a star for CJ & a 1st round pick. We would likely get someone worse than CJ or someone as good as CJ with a horrible contract as well.
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I was wondering if Gary and DJJ play really well and CJ plays well too, would the Cavs give up Darius Garland in an uneven trade for CJ if Garland plays at about the same level he's been playing at? If they did that we could then ask Gary to wait to sign any offer sheets, have DJJ opt out and re-sign him with some of the money freed up from the trade, then match any offer sheet Gary gets.

We'll gauge Zach's value based on his play this season but I'm betting he gets a pretty small raise from another team's offer sheet and we match... that's regardless of what happens with the aforementioned players.

I do think that if CJ outplays Gary by quite a bit that we will most likely lose both Gary and DJJ. If we have a little success but not a lot (lets say a quick second round exit) there are some really tough decisions looming for the next off season.
 
blazerkor said:
I was wondering if Gary and DJJ play really well and CJ plays well too, would the Cavs give up Darius Garland in an uneven trade for CJ if Garland plays at about the same level he's been playing at? If they did that we could then ask Gary to wait to sign any offer sheets, have DJJ opt out and re-sign him with some of the money freed up from the trade, then match any offer sheet Gary gets.

We'll gauge Zach's value based on his play this season but I'm betting he gets a pretty small raise from another team's offer sheet and we match... that's regardless of what happens with the aforementioned players.

I do think that if CJ outplays Gary by quite a bit that we will most likely lose both Gary and DJJ. If we have a little success but not a lot (lets say a quick second round exit) there are some really tough decisions looming for the next off season.
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Seems unlikely that Cleveland would want to give up their cap space and a young player to take on a guy making all-star money who is a liability 50% of the time.
 
Tince said:
Seems unlikely that Cleveland would want to give up their cap space and a young player to take on a guy making all-star money who is a liability 50% of the time.
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Fair enough, I was kind of thinking the same thing but wasn't sure and thought that scenario would be pretty good for us. I also thought maybe that the Cavs would want to pair another developed player with Love but what you said does make sense.
 
blazerkor said:
Fair enough, I was kind of thinking the same thing but wasn't sure and thought that scenario would be pretty good for us. I also thought maybe that the Cavs would want to pair another developed player with Love but what you said does make sense.
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I hope you are right... I would love to get CJ off the books and upgrade in talent. Would easily be worth a 1st round pick!
 
With Westbrook and likely Harden moving East and Klay out with injury, CJ may very well be an All Star this year. In fact, if we are Top 3 when voting happens, it’s almost certain.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
With Westbrook and likely Harden moving East and Klay out with injury, CJ may very well be an All Star this year. In fact, if we are Top 3 when voting happens, it’s almost certain.
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If Harden is gone I think it's exciting that Dame may get the start but that'll probably go to Steph. The thing about CJ is that Steph will be back and Booker will likely take that other spot before CJ (remember last season he made it as an alternate) and that would cover it if the rest of last season's all-stars make it. Klay being out doesn't really free up a new spot because he was out last year as well.

There are also young guys like Ja and Jamal Murray and who knows what John Wall will look like... if he looks good he'd make it ahead of any guy going for his first all star game just because the politics of being a "perennial all star". I do hope CJ plays at a level that puts him in the conversation more than he has been before.
 


uh. Nurk estimates he's 70% there to regular game shape. I get the abbreviated training camp and abrupt start to the season, but I wonder how Dame feels about that considering the expectations this season. Nurk himself stated earlier this offseason that this is a "kill or die" season. You'd think he wouldn't stray too far from the game.

Maybe i'm being too harsh given the circumstances. :dunno:
 
KSF-ERIC said:
With Westbrook and likely Harden moving East and Klay out with injury, CJ may very well be an All Star this year. In fact, if we are Top 3 when voting happens, it’s almost certain.
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Even Nurk has a better chance than CJ.
 
Watch Utah shoots 3s from everywhere, even Gobert lol
 
illmatic99 said:


uh. Nurk estimates he's 70% there to regular game shape. I get the abbreviated training camp and abrupt start to the season, but I wonder how Dame feels about that.
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feels about what? Guy was in Bosnia dealing with real life and got a late start to training camp. Im sure dame isn’t as melodramatic as some on this board. He’s 70% while everyone else is 80%.
 
illmatic99 said:


uh. Nurk estimates he's 70% there to regular game shape. I get the abbreviated training camp and abrupt start to the season, but I wonder how Dame feels about that considering the expectations this season. Nurk himself stated earlier this offseason that this is a "kill or die" season. You'd think he wouldn't stray too far from the game.

Maybe i'm being too harsh given the circumstances. :dunno:
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Yeah, you're being way too harsh... I don't think him being honest and saying he's not in game shape is a pretty good sign that he intends to get there quickly. The circumstances are pretty extreme. His grandmother died of COVID... I know that people lose loved ones and grandparents often come first on that list but losing someone in the pandemic seems like it would be very tough. Every day he turns on the TV or any kind of news and hears about it and is reminded. So I think it would be logical that while he was home with his grieving family that he probably wasn't thinking about the game.

I bet he's thinking about the game a lot right now and he still has his sights set on being named an all star. If Dame is going to get this team to win a lot of games he's going to need Nurk to be the second best on the team all around, he's going to need CJ to be an offensive assassin, he's going to need big time 3 and D from RoCo, he's going to need lockdown D, slashing and set threes falling from DJJ and he's going to need the bench to be dogs.

One thing that people aren't talking a lot about is that this team outside of Dame and CJ is going to be playing for their futures. RoCo and Nurk can secure extensions, DJJ can get himself a bigger contract and everyone else is playing for their livelihood next season Gary, Hoodie (team option), Melo, Zach and Enes are all playing to prove they are in Hoodie's case worth keeping, in Melo's case that he still belongs and in everyone else's case worth getting that next big payday.
 
Tince said:
Steph
Dame
CP3
Booker
Luka
Mitchell
Morant
Murry

He was 17th in voting among backcourt players last year.
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CJ could beat out CP, Booker, Morant, and Murray if Blazers have better record than all those guys. Usually, top teams get two All Stars. We'll see what happens.
 
i wouldnt worry about nurk as this is the season he can secure himself a big extension, cause it would be stupid to let nurk enter free agency

sure, he might stay if he enters free agency, but he could also leave, you never know what will happen

what i do know, he aint signing another team friendly contract, blazers will have to pay that man and im talking about big payday, something like at least €25 mil a year
 
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nurk was working with his conditioning coach and dames shooting coach, he posted it on his social media, so its not like he wasnt working at all

off season was cut short, preseason was cut short, so it affects players, theyre being rushed into it, so it will take time for players to get to the point where they need to be

its same for everybody, not just nurk or the blazers
 
the possibility of losing Gary next summer really killed my excitement. This season could the decide the future of our Team. No matter what I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT MY BLAZERS!!! THIS IS OUR YEAR LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
 
Scalma said:
feels about what? Guy was in Bosnia dealing with real life and got a late start to training camp. Im sure dame isn’t as melodramatic as some on this board. He’s 70% while everyone else is 80%.
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Yeah that's about a week difference. Maybe only 3-4 days. He'll get there.
 
blazerkor said:
If Harden is gone I think it's exciting that Dame may get the start but that'll probably go to Steph. The thing about CJ is that Steph will be back and Booker will likely take that other spot before CJ (remember last season he made it as an alternate) and that would cover it if the rest of last season's all-stars make it. Klay being out doesn't really free up a new spot because he was out last year as well.

There are also young guys like Ja and Jamal Murray and who knows what John Wall will look like... if he looks good he'd make it ahead of any guy going for his first all star game just because the politics of being a "perennial all star". I do hope CJ plays at a level that puts him in the conversation more than he has been before.
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I don't think CJ will ever make the all star. Just to many popular guards out there ahead of him. Remember the all stars is about popularity and how many points per game. Plus don't matter how good defense you play it's all about offense. To many guards out there just average more points then CJ.
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk was working with his conditioning coach and dames shooting coach, he posted it on his social media, so its not like he wasnt working at all

off season was cut short, preseason was cut short, so it affects players, theyre being rushed into it, so it will take time for players to get to the point where they need to be

its same for everybody, not just nurk or the blazers
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I just wonder how much his lateral is gone due to that broken leg. It's just seems it's not there. Even at times in the bubble just seems his lateral quickness just seem not there majority of the time.
 
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