Game Thread GAME# 13: HAWKS @ BLAZERS - JANUARY 16, 2021 - SATURDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

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From Hawks Twitter:

How the fuck do you shoot 6/30 from the 3 point line against the worst defensive team in the league y’all piss me off every night

Facts: we are the worst defensive team lol
 
twobullz said:
Okay I have a question. DJJ had a steal in the second half and as he started down court between two hawks he was fouled. GTJ was down court from him. I thought if a offensive player was ahead of the defensive team and a foul was called it was a clear path. Is it only the ball handler ? Cause he could of passed to Gary and he would have had a breakaway?
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Clear path only if no defensive player is in front of the ball handler and is fouled.
 
Scalma said:
I’m not sure Hoods inefficiency isn’t just him not getting enough looks. Kinda hard to get in rhythm on three shots per game. I’d like to see more of an effort to get him the ball. The second unit doesn’t need to go iso Melo every possession.
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I think Hood came back too early and needs more time to recover. Achilles tears usually take 18-24 months to fully recover. He tore his achilles in December 2019 so it’s only been a little over a year. KD tore his achilles 6 months before Hood and just came back himself.
 
bobf said:
Yeah, I watched the games. When they passed Aminu the ball and he was open, he shot the 3's, and lo and behold the ball went in over 35% of the time, just a few ticks below Dame's 37%. When they closed out he often took the ball to the rim and shot a high %, got fouled a lot, and made his free throws. He also played D and rebounded really well and hustled 100%. Yes it did work we were 53-29.
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For the first three quarters of a game Aminu could go 2-3 or 3-4. But every damn time in the fourth he would brick. If you didn't see that i don't know what to tell ya.
Then there were the atrocious 1-7 or 1-8 shooting nights 3 nights in a row in a row coupled with the 5-6 night to keep his numbers up there at 35%.
Now lets not get me started about the trainwreck every time he put the ball on the floor. Would you like to talk about turnover to assist rate? As long as you want to make your argument all about a stat then we might as well use all of them.
Aminu was a great guy and a good defender but he was an absolute liability on the offensive end. You seem to be the only one who doesn't feel this way?
 
Scalma said:
covington is a career 36% three point shooter, and that percentage is even higher since 2017. Yes, he should continue shooting them.
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Respect your opinion. I'd like to see 4-5 of his attempts to go to Dame, CJ, Trent, or Kanter on nights where he starts out 1-8. Thought Stotts putting him on the bench was the right move after going 1-13.
 
DDolla said:
From Hawks Twitter:

How the fuck do you shoot 6/30 from the 3 point line against the worst defensive team in the league y’all piss me off every night

Facts: we are the worst defensive team lol
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We’re only the 26th worst defense. But the 4 teams below us have a cumulative 15-32 record.
 
DDolla said:
From Hawks Twitter:

How the fuck do you shoot 6/30 from the 3 point line against the worst defensive team in the league y’all piss me off every night

Facts: we are the worst defensive team lol
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Are they? Ha Ha? I thought they moved up a couple spots?
 
Scalma said:
I’m not sure Hoods inefficiency isn’t just him not getting enough looks. Kinda hard to get in rhythm on three shots per game. I’d like to see more of an effort to get him the ball. The second unit doesn’t need to go iso Melo every possession.
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He definitely needs to keep playing. He won’t get back to his previous form sitting on the bench.
 
kjironman1 said:
For the first three quarters of a game Aminu could go 2-3 or 3-4. But every damn time in the fourth he would brick. If you didn't see that i don't know what to tell ya.
Then there were the atrocious 1-7 or 1-8 shooting nights 3 nights in a row in a row coupled with the 5-6 night to keep his numbers up there at 35%.
Now lets not get me started about the trainwreck every time he put the ball on the floor. Would you like to talk about turnover to assist rate? As long as you want to make your argument all about a stat then we might as well use all of them.
Aminu was a great guy and a good defender but he was an absolute liability on the offensive end. You seem to be the only one who doesn't feel this way?
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Here are the numbers to back up what you're saying about his 4th quarter shooting...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aminual01/shooting/2019

Small sample size, but Covington was at 11% from 3 in the 4th quarter heading into this game.
 
One thing is clear: Dame is going to have to play 40 minutes per game just to keep it close.

It’s a lack of talent - not depth.

RoCo and DJJ bring nothing to the table offensively. RoCo in particular is laying a giant egg - he hasn’t played this bad since his rookie year.

We also don’t have a backup PG.
 
Tince said:
Respect your opinion. I'd like to see 4-5 of his attempts to go to Dame, CJ, Trent, or Kanter on nights where he starts out 1-8. Thought Stotts putting him on the bench was the right move after going 1-13.
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Yeah I’m not saying he should continue shooting if he’s 1 for 12 or whatever, but generally speaking, an open Covington shot is still a good shot and what he’s going through right now is most likely just a slump that he can only get out of by continuing to shoot. It happens to every player at some point.
 
Kanter plays so much better as a starter. I think Jones and Covington have a lot to do with that. (and of course Dame)

Jones adds a lot to this team. They need him on the floor in crunch time, but much like Aminu he should not take any 3s in the last 5 minutes of a close game. Terry needs to figure something out. As long as he is left alone, Dame will keep passing to him and occasionally he will make a few but sticking him on the perimeter to spread the floor doesn't work if no one covers him.

1-11 from deep from our starting forwards is depressing.

Giles looked like he did in the preseason. Hustles and passes well. Unlike Nurk and Kanter he actually gets to a loose rebound if the ball hits the floor. I anticipate him getting better with more time

Seemed like a lot of our shots tonight in the paint were in and out. And conversely, ATL had a bunch that were in, out, and in.

Dame + 18, Jones +15, and Kanter +16 (a little higher than I thought)
 
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Scalma said:
Yeah I’m not saying he should continue shooting if he’s 1 for 12 or whatever, but generally speaking, an open Covington shot is still a good shot and what he’s going through right now is most likely just a slump that he can only get out of by continuing to shoot. It happens to every player at some point.
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I agree with this. He also brings size and energy on defense. He needs to be a part of this team for them to have a decent season.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I’m not saying he should continue shooting if he’s 1 for 12 or whatever, but generally speaking, an open Covington shot is still a good shot and what he’s going through right now is most likely just a slump that he can only get out of by continuing to shoot. It happens to every player at some point.
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I'm with you on the slump part. I guess where I disagree (about Hood) is that he needs more shots to get out of his slump. I haven't seen anything that backs up increasing your shot volume makes you a better shooter. Guess it's a whole cause/effect argument we'll never know!
 
Scalma said:
Yeah I’m not saying he should continue shooting if he’s 1 for 12 or whatever, but generally speaking, an open Covington shot is still a good shot and what he’s going through right now is most likely just a slump that he can only get out of by continuing to shoot. It happens to every player at some point.
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He took a few ill-advised 3s tonight that he needs to stop taking. Wide-open on the wing is one thing, but taking them from the top when covered......needs to stop.
 
Scalma said:
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It's really awesome. We have THREE players scoring double figures off the bench. Well 2 now since Kanter has to start. Still, it's pretty awesome. When is the last time we had three guys off the bench scoring double figures? Has it ever happened? Maybe 1999?
 
kjironman1 said:
For the first three quarters of a game Aminu could go 2-3 or 3-4. But every damn time in the fourth he would brick. If you didn't see that i don't know what to tell ya.
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So true. However, he did hit a few clutch 3s over the years, which gave him the confidence to keep shooting them.
I had flashbacks watching Jones tonight. Again I want Jones in there, I just don't like him sitting on the perimeter.
But holy hell the alley-oop dunk on the break was reminiscent of Porter to Clyde.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Like Crabbe, right?
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You forgot to add Layman, Harkless, Aminu, Skal, Whiteside, Kanter (in Boston), Matthews, Lopez, Plumlee, Blake, Ed Davis, Meyers, Vonleh, Turner, Aldridge, Baldwin, Stauskas, etc.... The list of players who have left Portland recently and blossomed into something so much more amazing than they were in Portland is long.
 
calvin natt said:
- impossible not to love Enes Kanter.
- they played very very hard.
- start Trent, Jones off bench
- Carmelo is a stud I don’t care what anyone says
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I like a starting lineup of:

Dame, CJ, DDJ, Melo, Kanter

then bring in:

Trent, RoCo, Giles

then filter in: Hood, Simmons (and we need a legit PG reserve!)
 
KSF-ERIC said:
It's really awesome. We have THREE players scoring double figures off the bench. Well 2 now since Kanter has to start. Still, it's pretty awesome. When is the last time we had three guys off the bench scoring double figures? Has it ever happened? Maybe 1999?
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but the two starting forwards are not scoring - so we fall way behind and have to play catch up in every game?
 
I kinda agree about getting Trent more looks, but that doesn’t necessarily mean putting the ball in his hands more as a ballhandler. He’s got a post game, he consistently showed it in the g league when I watched. Reminded me of Matthews. We almost never run any of those type of plays for him. It’s either a three or something off the dribble. Cut the dribble plays out and put him in the post and let him use his body against smaller dudes.
 
With Nurk out, it was Giles chance to shine.
He only got 11 minutes, which was less minutes than Hood got, who somehow decreased his season fg% of 20%.
 
Really enjoyed the increased tenacity, at least attempting to play defense, and 6 players in double figures. Much more fun to watch than Iso-ville.
It just seems too coincidental that as soon as CJ went out, the defense, and the effort, went up markedly.
 
TBpup said:
Really enjoyed the increased tenacity, at least attempting to play defense, and 6 players in double figures. Much more fun to watch than Iso-ville.
It just seems too coincidental that as soon as CJ went out, the defense, and the effort, went up markedly.
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Can't say it enough... Personnel impacts outcome far more than anything else.
 
Serbian said:
Dame played 43 minutes jesus. Get this man a back up PG you fool.
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Wizard Mentor said:
With Nurk out, it was Giles chance to shine.
He only got 11 minutes, which was less minutes than Hood got, who somehow decreased his season fg% of 20%.
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The Hood thing is fair, but I'm ok with working in Giles as we go - Hood has been a legitimate NBA starter who right now is trying to find his way back. Giles is still learning the game and how to contribute.
 
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