Game Thread GAME# 22: KINGS @ BLAZERS - DECEMBER 4, 2019 - WEDNESDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

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Do you want the Blazers to tank for a good lotto pick at this point in the season?


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I factor Clippers defense for a lot of that. We did a decent job in the first half but Clippers stepped up their defense in the second half and they are able to match up with length and size against our two better players in Lillard and McCollum to make it more difficult to make the entry pass and get the ball moving.
That game was majority of iso by us the difference was we made shots in the 1st half and the 2nd half we didn't. Yes Clippers did play better D in the 2nd half.
 
I'd rather we collapse the defense by passing the ball to the interior rather than driving, but that requires a package of good, creative, and different sets that we don't quite have. Dame and CJ aren't going to be able to consistently break down the defense, draw multiple defenders, and then complete the kickout pass, and our ball movement shouldn't be reliant on them having to do that, which I think it is. Look at the Clippers game and how we didn't move the ball at all.

How does passing the ball into the interior “break down the defense?” We don’t have anyone good enough to draw a double down low anymore. Kanter is not on the team.
 
How does passing the ball into the interior “break down the defense?” We don’t have anyone good enough to draw a double down low anymore. Kanter is not on the team.
Was Whiteside being doubled last night? No he wasn't, so I wonder how he ended up with 7 assists if only someone who commands a double team breaks down a defense?
 
Was Whiteside being doubled last night? No he wasn't, so I wonder how he ended up with 7 assists if only someone who commands a double team breaks down a defense?
He got 7 assists because our shooters made shots...
 
Look, i'm not out there on the court so i call it as i see it.
I'm saying going 1 on 1 against PG,Kawai and Beverley might seem easier for them than to pass the ball. Maybe they feel as if their passing lanes are not open?

I just think there's a reason we pass less against tall,skilled defensive teams. We saw the same ball movement (or lack-thereof) against AD,Rondo and Holiday.

A lot of our passes are transparent too, i can guess where the ball is going and i'm just a fan.
Okay, you brought up the Pelicans series which is exactly my point that after that series Stotts should have implemented some sets that better counteract those types of defenses. Instead they continue to run the same plays that have proven to not work that well against good defenses. If the players continually think that going ISO against good defenders "seems" easier then isn't that an indictment on the coaching?
 
He got 7 assists because our shooters made shots...
Well an assist does require a pass too. Several of Whiteside's assists were from guards cutting to the basket and getting layups. How many of his assists were to open shooters because the defense had broken down? This isn't a question about whether players make shots or not it's whether playing inside out is effective.
 
Well an assist does require a pass too. Several of Whiteside's assists were from guards cutting to the basket and getting layups. How many of his assists were to open shooters because the defense had broken down? This isn't a question about whether players make shots or not it's whether playing inside out is effective.
It's both...Baze made his 3s last night...we got some pick and roll buckets....guys made shots. I don't see an argument to be made about it. Our guards assist numbers would be way up there if we shot better. Hassan is learning where these guys want the ball...less hesitation, more scoring success off the pass. Hassan and Skal both really need to learn to keep the ball chest high and stop handling it at their ankles. Zach and Nurk are way better protecting the ball...Dame would have 20plus dimes if Ant could throw the ball in a swimming pool last few games
 
Okay, you brought up the Pelicans series which is exactly my point that after that series Stotts should have implemented some sets that better counteract those types of defenses. Instead they continue to run the same plays that have proven to not work that well against good defenses. If the players continually think that going ISO against good defenders "seems" easier then isn't that an indictment on the coaching?

Yes, but it's also about bad match-ups imo. We're still too small against lineups of PG,Kawai and Harell who plays bigger than his actual size.

It bothers me that in some games it seems like there's a defender on every Trail-Blazer's jersey and even if we pass it ends up with a player facing a defender, but then on the other end there's always an easy shot or an open player for the other team.:banghead2:
 
Melo is 40 bro. He’s not drawing any doubles.
35, and you don't need to be doubled to draw a secondary defender's attention for a half-second. Many times that's all it takes to get an open look for a teammate. You're oversimplifying things by focusing solely on double-teams.
 
It was interesting for me how well those two simple give and go plays worked for us. Was it because they have rarely if ever seen Blazers run it?
 
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When passes lead to turnovers or missed shots, our shooters try to shoot us back into games....there's a reason we've played that way...when they stop turning over that lazy pass...they'll look to pass. At least last night we had two alley oops...when is the last time that happened?
 
The corner three is the hardest shot to hit because you don't have a backboard to bounce the ball off of. It is a sound strategy.

Unfortunately terry your information is incorrect as the corner 3's are the highest percentage 3 point shot as well as that's where more points are scored than the other areas.

Pretty much proves you're not the real Terry Stotts as he would know that kind of information. Maybe you can comeback as Doc Rivers. :bgrin:
 
You watched our last 10 games?

yeah, he’s not drawing doubles. He’s beating other teams 3rd-5th best defenders 1 on 1 and shooting 45%. That’s good for a player we got for nothing. It’s nowhere near a player that we should structure our entire offense around.
 
yeah, he’s not drawing doubles. He’s beating other teams 3rd-5th best defenders 1 on 1 and shooting 45%. That’s good for a player we got for nothing. It’s nowhere near a player that we should structure our entire offense around.
He's getting doubled and tripled at the rim by their best bigs….Melo earns respect in the paint....if he's getting one on one coverage at the 3pt line, that's because two other guys are getting doubled ..and Hood is the guy they're all leaving open. Melo is playing against starting talent, not scrubs. We're really lucky to have a scoring PF for a change
 
He's getting doubled and tripled at the rim by their best bigs….Melo earns respect in the paint....if he's getting one on one coverage at the 3pt line, that's because two other guys are getting doubled ..and Hood is the guy they're all leaving open. Melo is playing against starting talent, not scrubs. We're really lucky to have a scoring PF for a change

you guys don’t seem to understand what “drawing a double” means. Nobody is doubling melo when he catches the ball. Having a big come over a couple feet on the occasions where he beats his man at the rim is not “drawing a double.” He doesn’t create any more space, he just posts up or drives while shooting 45% (and this is likely his peak). That’s nowhere close to a player you can build all of your sets around. I’ll take Stotts’ coaching over BonesJones’ any day.
 
you guys don’t seem to understand what “drawing a double” means. Nobody is doubling melo when he catches the ball. Having a big come over a couple feet on the occasions where he beats his man at the rim is not “drawing a double.” He doesn’t create any more space, he just posts up or drives while shooting 45% (and this is likely his peak). That’s nowhere close to a player you can build all of your sets around. I’ll take Stotts’ coaching over BonesJones’ any day.
I don't understand how you seem to discount what I find pretty obvious....but it really doesn't matter....Melo is getting attention and getting attention by good players...Chris Paul and Steven Adams doubled him most of the Thunder game....I also think you're ignoring what getting doubled inside the 3 pt line means....I don't need to argue the point...I'll just agree to disagree...and I didn't mention Stotts or Bones in my post so that's coming out of left field in regard to my response. I also don't think watering down Melo's contributions at this point is justified...he's been great with our starters...I'm a fan of how this is working out.
 
you guys don’t seem to understand what “drawing a double” means. Nobody is doubling melo when he catches the ball. Having a big come over a couple feet on the occasions where he beats his man at the rim is not “drawing a double.” He doesn’t create any more space, he just posts up or drives while shooting 45% (and this is likely his peak). That’s nowhere close to a player you can build all of your sets around. I’ll take Stotts’ coaching over BonesJones’ any day.
Why even bring @BonesJones up? Seriously you guys are constantly calling him out.
 
How does passing the ball into the interior “break down the defense?” We don’t have anyone good enough to draw a double down low anymore. Kanter is not on the team.
I'm not talking about a postup. Say there's a successful facecut, backscreen, hard curl, or backdoor cut. If that player has a step on his man, it requires help defense to stop them or they'll have a layup. Therefore, it'll collapse the defense or we'll get an easy bucket. These actions are much easier to get against elite defenses, can happen in more rapid succession (giving the offense more chances at it), has a lower likelihood of getting the ball stuck inside in traffic, is much easier on our guards (who don't have to expend a bunch of energy 1 on 1), and these actions can confuse the defense leading to better jumpshots than someone simply going one on one.
 
yeah, he’s not drawing doubles. He’s beating other teams 3rd-5th best defenders 1 on 1 and shooting 45%. That’s good for a player we got for nothing. It’s nowhere near a player that we should structure our entire offense around.
Who said we should structure our entire offense around Melo? Did I miss something?
 
They didn't need to call your boy here, but are you honestly wondering why he is constantly being called out?
Dude, he's been chill for months now and people can't keep him out of their posts. I sense a bit of jealousy that a poster other than you is getting attention.
 

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