Game Thread GAME# 24: 76ERS @ BLAZERS - FEBRUARY 11, 2021 - THURSDAY, 7:00, TNT

[bobf]

what do you want? Geeez

I was commenting on Melo in general not Melo in this particular game. In general he sucks. His TS% is an abysmal 0.519 yet he fancies himself an offensive player. He’s a poor defender, poor rebounder, and poor assist guy. So it’s fools gold when per chance he has a good game.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I got nothin nice to say in reply...

 

[THE HCP]

Mehh you basically just described Aminu

Who isn't on this roster.

 

[THE HCP]

I was commenting on Melo in general not Melo in this particular game. In general he sucks. His TS% is an abysmal 0.519 yet he fancies himself an offensive player. He’s a poor defender, poor rebounder, and poor assist guy. So it’s fools gold when per chance he has a good game.

We won.

 

[bobf]

We won.

and I answered the question.

 

[HailBlazers]

More info about these jerseys.

Don't understand why there isn't a green stripe.

 

[Darkwebs]

Don't understand why there isn't a green stripe.


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Yeah, it’s weird that the photo they posted as the inspiration for the stripe colors on the uniform has green trees at the bottom, but they neglect to utilize green on the jersey itself (other than the Biofreeze logo patch).

I think they really dropped the ball there, like an Aminu turnover.

 

[blazerkor]

I was commenting on Melo in general not Melo in this particular game. In general he sucks. His TS% is an abysmal 0.519 yet he fancies himself an offensive player. He’s a poor defender, poor rebounder, and poor assist guy. So it’s fools gold when per chance he has a good game.

Looking at the last two nights, maybe the guy has found his niche on this team. Of course that niche expires when CJ returns because both guys excel on offense and play no D (at least Melo hits the boards).

 

[THE HCP]

and I answered the question.

We won. Accept it. Embrace it. Stop analyzing it. We won. It went in the W column. In April you won't remember anything but the win.

 

[bobf]

Looking at the last two nights, maybe the guy has found his niche on this team. Of course that niche expires when CJ returns because both guys excel on offense and play no D (at least Melo hits the boards).

But Melo doesn’t excel at offense at all. He’s fine from 3 but overall he’s terribly inefficient. If CJ and Melo each took 100 typical shots as Blazers, CJ wins the game 126 to 104.

 

[bobf]

We won. Accept it. Embrace it. Stop analyzing it. We won. It went in the W column. In April you won't remember anything but the win.

I embrace the win. But I don’t embrace Melo because he’s fools gold, he’s bad for the team and I like the team.

 

[blazerkor]

But Melo doesn’t excel at offense at all. He’s fine from 3 but overall he’s terribly inefficient. If CJ and Melo each took 100 typical shots as Blazers, CJ wins the game 126 to 104.

and both give up a ton of points on D.

 

[bobf]

and both give up a ton of points on D.

That’s true but CJ offsets that with his O while Melo compounds it with his inefficient O. Plus Melos minutes could go to other players who might just blossom if given a bigger chance. Why not invest in your young guys?

 

[THE HCP]

I embrace the win. But I don’t embrace Melo because he’s fools gold, he’s bad for the team and I like the team.

Melo is a fantastic 5th or 6th option on our roster and can help us win. I'm not sure what you expect from YOUR 5th or 6th option, but he is MORE than exceeding mine. I've said before, 6th man making the vet minimum..... he's killing it for us.

 

[bobf]

Melo is a fantastic 5th or 6th option on our roster and can help us win. I'm not sure what you expect from YOUR 5th or 6th option, but he is MORE than exceeding mine. I've said before, 6th man making the vet minimum..... he's killing it for us.

5th or 6th man should either be an efficient scorer OR a good defender OR a good slasher OR a good rebounder OR a good assist man. Preferably a couple of those at least. Melo is none of those. Being able to get off a poor percentage shot with style is not an attribute of a player who helps your team, unless your team is so bad on offense that that’s your best shot. That’s not the Blazers.

 

[THE HCP]

6th man, making the vet minimum. He will be on the floor in crunch time all season. Better get used to it. You can bitch every game if you want, but your superstar wants him out there with him and it will happen. Accept it.

 

[BonesJones]

5th or 6th man should either be an efficient scorer OR a good defender OR a good slasher OR a good rebounder OR a good assist man. Preferably a couple of those at least. Melo is none of those.

Gotta love how he didnt address any of this.

 

[bobf]

6th man, making the vet minimum. He will be on the floor in crunch time all season. Better get used to it. You can bitch every game if you want, but your superstar wants him out there with him and it will happen. Accept it.

I could care less how little or much $ Melo makes, it’s not my money. I care that he’s an ISO crutch who detracts from team ball, he takes shots away from better shooters, and worst of all, he takes time away from the development of our young players.

Dame’s a loyal guy who will support any player on the team. Props to him.

Yes, I’ll continue to state the facts before, during, and after every game. Accept it. Get used to it. Embrace it.

 

[kjironman1]

5th or 6th man should either be an efficient scorer OR a good defender OR a good slasher OR a good rebounder OR a good assist man. Preferably a couple of those at least. Melo is none of those. Being able to get off a poor percentage shot with style is not an attribute of a player who helps your team, unless your team is so bad on offense that that’s your best shot. That’s not the Blazers.

Melo is a Good Rebounder. Melo is a good shooter. Almost 40% from 3. Melo runs the inbound plays as well as any player they have had since Batum. Melo just Hit clutch free throws. Melo shoots free throws very well. Melo can move with the ball and has shown he can pass(Assist) very well. Did you not see the pass to Kanter under the rim? Maybe 10-20% of the league could make that pass?
So "A couple of those at least" are well covered and some.
Now do we want to start talking about basic BBIQ? The guy has had his hand in the middle of huge plays all season long. Can you say Clutch? Didn't we just watch on multiple different occasions Melo getting not only a huge block but steals and stops
Then there is this.


Can you say LEADERSHIP?

 

[bobf]

Melo is a Good Rebounder. Melo is a good shooter. Almost 40% from 3. Melo runs the inbound plays as well as any player they have had since Batum. Melo just Hit clutch free throws. Melo shoots free throws very well. Melo can move with the ball and has shown he can pass(Assist) very well. Did you not see the pass to Kanter under the rim? Maybe 10-20% of the league could make that pass?
So "A couple of those at least" are well covered and some.
Now do we want to start talking about basic BBIQ? The guy has had his hand in the middle of huge plays all season long. Can you say Clutch? Didn't we just watch on multiple different occasions Melo getting not only a huge block but steals and stops
Then there is this.
Can you say LEADERSHIP?

Rebounding
Per 36 minutes
Aminu 8.9 (as a Blazer)
Roco 7.1
Little 6.8
DJJ 6.2
Melo 4.9 (this year)
Dame 4.5
He's a better rebounder than Dame. I'll give you that. Well, maybe, Dame's not inside is he.

Scoring Efficiency (TS%)
Little 0.654
Dame 0.626
Enes 0.624
CJ 0.620
CJ2, 0.610
Gary 0.576
Ant 0.556
Melo 0.529
Isolating his 3's and FT's from his 2's which are 60% of his shots is cherry picking. Taken all together he's horrible.

Assists
He has the same assist rate and same assists per 36 as Aminu had. I love Aminu but I don't think he was an assist guy. And Melo gets the kind of touches that should generate assists, not Aminu, who is just catch and shoot the 3. Melo in his prime had more than double the assists he gets now. I don't care if he can make a certain pass to Kanter, in general he doesn't.

Slasher
No

Defender
No

BBIQ
Routinely taking low-efficiency turn-around fade-way 2-pointers is the epitome of low BBIQ.

Pointing at a handful of individual plays is more cherry picking. Martel Webster scored 24 points in a quarter but he wasn't some great scorer. A 60% free throw shooter will eventually hit 10 in a row to win the game. Meaningless. I will give you that he's clutch, if the game were on the line at the free throw stripe, he'd be second to Dame on my list, and taking the three to win the game he might even be first... but that's not enough.

None of them are covered at all.

 

[kjironman1]

Rebounding
Per 36 as Blazers (up to past 5 years)
Aminu 8.9
Roco 7.1
Little 6.8
DJJ 6.2
Melo 4.9
Dame 4.5
He's a better rebounder than Dame. I'll give you that.

Scoring Efficiency (TS%)
Little 0.654
Dame 0.626
Enes 0.624
CJ 0.620
CJ2, 0.610
Gary 0.576
Ant 0.556
Melo 0.529
Isolating his 3's and FT's from his 2's which are 60% of his shots is cherry picking. Taken all together he's horrible.

Assists
He has the same assist rate and same assists per 36 as Aminu had. I love Aminu but I don't think he was an assist guy. And Melo gets the kind of touches that should generate assists, not Aminu, who is just catch and shoot the 3. Melo in his prime had more than double the assists he gets now. I don't care if he can make a certain pass to Kanter, in general he doesn't.

Slasher
No

Defender
No

BBIQ
Routinely taking low-efficiency turn-around fade-way 2-pointers is the epitome of low BBIQ.

Pointing at a handful of individual plays is cherry picking. Martel Webster scored 24 points in a quarter but he wasn't some great scorer. A 60% free throw shooter will eventually hit 10 in a row to win the game. Meaningless.

None of them are covered at all.

Yeah STATS...... They don't even begin to address everything i just said.
Watch a game and get back to me.

 

[kjironman1]

Perfect example of a stat monkey getting owned.
Lillard shot 1-11 in to end the game against the Sixers. The ONE shot he made iced the game. Then Melo frosted it with not only a smart play but two more free throws. Melo sucks though. Lillard's efficiency sucked. I want Lillard on the court.

Oh yeah they won that game "In Spite" of Stotts i guess.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Yeah STATS...... They don't even begin to address everything i just said.
Watch a game and get back to me.

There are several games this season that Melo has literally shot us out of. He has to be excellent on offense to balance his poor defense.

It's not really worth arguing about - Melo's PT isn't going anywhere.

 

[kjironman1]

Statisticians don't play the game.

Arm chair "Coaches and GM's" use them to try to sound like they know more than the people who are in the position to make the call and play the actual game.

 

[kjironman1]

There are several games this season that Melo has literally shot us out of. He has to be excellent on offense to balance his poor defense.

It's not really worth arguing about - Melo's PT isn't going anywhere.

I would argue that there is no way a bench player "Shoots you OUT of a game". He is the 4th, 5th or 6th option on this team. If he is being asked to keep them in the game then obviously a number of the other 5 options are not doing much either.
Basketball is a TEAM game.

 

[bobf]

Yeah STATS...... They don't even begin to address everything i just said.
Watch a game and get back to me.

Yeah stats, aka measurements. He's a good rebounder who doesn't get many rebounds and a good passer who doesn't get many assists. He's a good shooter but the ball doesn't go through the hoop much... or maybe they're miscounting. I do watch the game. They pass him the ball, everyone stands around, and he backs down his guy, then he takes a low % turn-around fade-way. But he does it with style so we're good.

 

[Hoopguru]

Melo is a Good Rebounder. Melo is a good shooter. Almost 40% from 3. Melo runs the inbound plays as well as any player they have had since Batum. Melo just Hit clutch free throws. Melo shoots free throws very well. Melo can move with the ball and has shown he can pass(Assist) very well. Did you not see the pass to Kanter under the rim? Maybe 10-20% of the league could make that pass?
So "A couple of those at least" are well covered and some.
Now do we want to start talking about basic BBIQ? The guy has had his hand in the middle of huge plays all season long. Can you say Clutch? Didn't we just watch on multiple different occasions Melo getting not only a huge block but steals and stops
Then there is this.


Can you say LEADERSHIP?

He's got the best turn around jumper than any big on the team.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I would argue that there is no way a bench player "Shoots you OUT of a game". He is the 4th, 5th or 6th option on this team. If he is being asked to keep them in the game then obviously a number of the other 5 options are not doing much either.
Basketball is a TEAM game.

lol. I'm not sure what's going on.

"Stats are meaningless, watch the games."
I can show you games where he literally shot us out of.
"It's a team game."

OK, you like Melo, fine.
You don't care that he doesn't play defense, fine.
I think I understand your position.
It's OK if you don't understand mine.

 

[bobf]

Statisticians don't play the game.

Arm chair "Coaches and GM's" use them to try to sound like they know more than the people who are in the position to make the call and play the actual game.

The Rockets dumped Melo after 10 games. The entire league of actual coaches & GM's passed on Melo.

 

[bobf]

I would argue that there is no way a bench player "Shoots you OUT of a game". He is the 4th, 5th or 6th option on this team. If he is being asked to keep them in the game then obviously a number of the other 5 options are not doing much either.
Basketball is a TEAM game.

Without Dame or Melo in the line-up (they have to go to those other players) Blazers still have a TS% of 0.564 which is far better than Melo's 0.529.