Game Thread GAME# 33: RAPTORS @ BLAZERS - DECEMBER 26, 2016 - MONDAY, 7:00 PM (PDT), CSNNW - THE SUITE GAME!

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Who's the better point guard?

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TBpup said:
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I love that Chris Craig is mirroring my stupid hand gesture.
 
TBpup said:
This game was a good example of why I wouldn't be opposed to trading CJ. Put Dame in tonight instead of CJ and then have a 'Big' asset that would come over for CJ and this team could be so much better on the defensive end. By not having 2 small guards out there all of the time, they had a better lineup and everyone was more involved because it wasn't just 2 guys taking most of the shots.

This game made me even more in the camp of trading CJ BECAUSE they played better with just one ball dominant small guard.
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In the same boat. That defense was eye opening
 
I noticed the relatively low score...did we play defense last night?

Sucks it was such a close end result...Was hoping we'd get the win for the forum bros in attendance.

We gotta make a trade. This team is boring and stagnant. I'm on the Nurkic bandwagon. Good defender, good shit talker. I'm not as opposed to DMC as some others either, if we could get him.

Let's be a gritty team. We're already the small market knock-arounds nobody gives a shit about, might as well play the part. We will never be the nba sweethearts, ever. What do we have to lose...more games? At the very least we'd be entertaining to watch again.
 
TBpup said:
This game was a good example of why I wouldn't be opposed to trading CJ. Put Dame in tonight instead of CJ and then have a 'Big' asset that would come over for CJ and this team could be so much better on the defensive end. By not having 2 small guards out there all of the time, they had a better lineup and everyone was more involved because it wasn't just 2 guys taking most of the shots.

This game made me even more in the camp of trading CJ BECAUSE they played better with just one ball dominant small guard.
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Whilst I agree that the defense is definitely better without two undersized guards playing next to each other, I don't think the defense would have been as good had Lillard been in there.
He's not as big, physically, as CJ and gets lost on screens a lot.
There was a reason this wasn't the usual 20 point loss as of late.

The pacing in the game was much better too. This helped keep it closer IMO, as the ball wasn't dawdling over half court - allowing opponents to set on defense.
The ball wasn't deferred to Lillard every single possesion, and in turn we saw some nice ball movement.
(Bonus - no stupid 30 foot heaves early in the shot clock).

Overall, we saw improved pace (vastly so), improved defense, less shot jacking and nearly pulling out a win against a decent Toronto team.
And during this I was thinking how much better the team would look with the spoils from a Lillard trade playing in the frontcourt.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
The pr nightmare from moving Dane would be ridiculous.

The only choice is trading CJ between the 2
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Not just PR, but Dame is the better player. Cj is a better scorer off isolations, and a better shooter. Dame is better at everything else.
 
Fellas, did you notice how much better our defense was when we switched up pick n roll schemes? Stotts threw all sorts of different looks at them defensively, and it bothered them and made them uncomfortable. We hedged, blitzed, and sagged on pick n rolls. I've been saying switching these schemes up would help for the longest time.

Sadly, I'm worried we go back to the full time sagging of the big man. It would work in high school and college but doesn't work well in the NBA due to how well ball handlers manipulate space.

If you had a center that could contest and block mid range pullups and slide their feet with the ball handler, then it'd be more effective, but those centers are few and far between (Whiteside being a good example)
 
yuyuza1 said:
Not just PR, but Dame is the better player. Cj is a better scorer off isolations, and a better shooter. Dame is better at everything else.
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CJ has better handles and better mid-range game. Passing is about equal, IMO - neither is particularly gifted in that department.
 
BonesJones said:
Fellas, did you notice how much better our defense was when we switched up pick n roll schemes? Stotts threw all sorts of different looks at them defensively, and it bothered them and made them uncomfortable. We hedged, blitzed, and sagged on pick n rolls. I've been saying switching these schemes up would help for the longest time.
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What the hell happened, and why did it take so long? Also, didn't he say just the other week that there wasn't time to implement new defensive schemes?

I'm happy to hear that he made some changes in the P/R coverage, but it's gonna take a lot more before I change my opinion of Tater Totts.
 
Blazinaway said:
yep, I think we really have to consider moving CJ or Dame, I am guessing most if they had to pick one to move would pick CJ?
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fully agree, playing shortish PG's who don't play D much kills our D and team balance. If our GM has a brain he could get some very good nice assets for CJ or Dame (probably CJ) and we'd IMO be a better. more balanced team the next several yrs IMO
 
blue9 said:
CJ has better handles and better mid-range game. Passing is about equal, IMO - neither is particularly gifted in that department.
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IMO Dame is clearly better at getting to the rim while CJ sure seems the better overall shooter from mid range and 3 - "some" of that may be because Dame forces too many long 3's especially and attracts more attention. The one worry I'd have with CJ at PG would be his turnovers, now maybe with playin that position regularly he'd clean it up, I'd think Dame would return greater value but enough to make a significant difference? and Dame is the face of this franchise so would mgmt trade him over CJ?
 
How was Napier?
Time to launch the 3-guard rotation in the backcourt. 2 of Dame, CJ and Napier the entire game. We do this and we start winning
 
WillG said:
Whilst I agree that the defense is definitely better without two undersized guards playing next to each other, I don't think the defense would have been as good had Lillard been in there.
He's not as big, physically, as CJ and gets lost on screens a lot.
There was a reason this wasn't the usual 20 point loss as of late.

The pacing in the game was much better too. This helped keep it closer IMO, as the ball wasn't dawdling over half court - allowing opponents to set on defense.
The ball wasn't deferred to Lillard every single possesion, and in turn we saw some nice ball movement.
(Bonus - no stupid 30 foot heaves early in the shot clock).

Overall, we saw improved pace (vastly so), improved defense, less shot jacking and nearly pulling out a win against a decent Toronto team.
And during this I was thinking how much better the team would look with the spoils from a Lillard trade playing in the frontcourt.
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I'm tempted to "like" that, but I think I need more evidence.
 
Blazinaway said:
IMO Dame is clearly better at getting to the rim while CJ sure seems the better overall shooter from mid range and 3 - "some" of that may be because Dame forces too many long 3's especially and attracts more attention. The one worry I'd have with CJ at PG would be his turnovers, now maybe with playin that position regularly he'd clean it up, I'd think Dame would return greater value but enough to make a significant difference? and Dame is the face of this franchise so would mgmt trade him over CJ?
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Oh, I don't think there's any way we'd trade Dame. And I get it. But it's not like he's an amazing PG. He's very good at scoring, and a very good leader (maybe?) and face of the franchise - but he's fairly pedestrian in all other aspects of the game. I don't think the talent gap between he and CJ is that big. If Dame had been able to sustain what he was doing the first couple weeks of the season then this wouldn't even be a discussion - but he didn't.
 
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