Game 36 Blues vs. Washed up Schmucks with a moron GM

[kreidertime]

Doubt I'll even watch more than one period if the kids aren't put in a prominent role.

 

[kreidertime]

Sullivan = Dumbass

Perreault on the third line. Othmann on the fourth line. This organization just doesn’t fucking get it.

 

[Stepupstepan]

what did you tell you about Sullivan

 

[Ranger71]

Worst offense in the league.

 

[Stepupstepan]

yes very meaningful two points.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Even with Panarin out due to an illness the coach refuses to put the young guys on a top line.

 

[kreidertime]

Yep. I blame Drury. Who needs to tell Sullivan, stop fucking young prospects over. He isn't putting them in a position to succeed.

 

[PorterPanzer]

Over the decades I never thought I'd write the Knicks are more entertaining to watch than the Rangers but here we are. Laba remains a bright spot but last year's scoring drop off seems to be the new norm. Panarin had 89 points last year after a personal record 120 point season, 34 points in 35 games this year - time to trade and not resign.. This is the same for every player on the roster, no breakout or bounce back seasons this year. Drury blew it when he fired GG, his abrasive style would have forced the soft underbelly of the roster to drop their NTCs and move on when they had higher trade values.

 

[kreidertime]

Gallant played favorites and didn’t play young players either. He turned into a schmuck. Drury is still trying to win the cup with the roster and that’s not gonna happen. He either needs to be fired or convince Dolan a total rebuild as needed. Get his dumbass coach in line and tell him to put prospects in a position to succeed, not bury them on lower lines.

 

[JTM]

It is ridiculous Perreault wasn't in the top 6 and Othmann wasn't in the top 9, double so when you have no Panarin and play Sheary in the top 9 (it's a disgrace that Othmann was called up to be buried on the 4th line). With that said, we need to stop blaming the coach. How many coaches can you blame before you focus 10000000000000000% of your attention on the Pres/GM who keeps firing coaches and bringing in new coaches, who do the same exact thing the prior coaches did?

It wasn't Gallant's fault, it wasn't Lavy's fault, and now it isn't Sullivan's fault. At some point in time, you have to look squarely at the head of the snake, and that is in over his head Pres/GM Chris Drury.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Coaches do matter. Sullivan was known to favor vets. I mean he had those two guys in Pittsburgh I forgot their names Crosby and Malkin? lol he did not care for developing young players. I am not even sure he knows how. He looks like a wrong choice yet again by the GM. Gallant and Lavy were the wrong choices. These coaches were always known to favor the vets. What young players have they developed prior to becoming the rangers coaches?

 

[Stepupstepan]

Look what Sullivan did last night. He played Gabe and Othmann in the bottom six. What type development is this playing with scrubs and a rookie

 

[PorterPanzer]

100% Step, anyone who played any level of any sport remembers good coaches and bad coaches, if you're lucky you get a great coach who helps with a weakness in your game but ultimately development and success is on the players work ethic and effort level. The Rangers seem to be good at finding 3rd and 4th line players like Cuylle and Rempe but the talent players they select are lazy or physically unable to make an impact. I think the problem lies in the Rangers scouting and talent evaluation, they provide the information the GMs use to draft. Drury has been way better than Gorton or Sather drafting talent without the premier picks.

 

[PorterPanzer]

Looking back on things Dump, wasn't GG right not to play no talent Krappo and give lazy Laf limited ice time along with the other undersized busts Gorton dropped on him?

 

[kreidertime]

Don’t know. If you develop players like role players that is what they will become. If you draft a player first and second overall you gotta go all out to develop them to be top line players. If they can’t become that, then that falls on your GM and your scouting department. Perreault has it. They must be careful not to do the same thing.

 

[JTM]

Absolutely coaches matter, I don't think anyone is saying they don't. What that said, I'm sorry but this isn't a "coaches matter" discussion when the same Pres/GM has hired THREE coaches and the results/issues have been the same under all three. Not to mention all three coaches have resumes that show they are WAY WAY WAY more qualified to be in their jobs than in over his head from day one Chris Drury.

Essentially the point you guys are trying to make is, I understand the same in over his head Pres/GM has hired all THREE of these Cup winning and/or SCF making coaches in the past four years, but it's on the THREE coaches, not the one guy who has hired all three in four years. It just doesn't hold water guys, and it defies logic.

That doesn't mean Gallant, Lavy, and Sullivan are perfect and beyond questioning, but it does mean this team does not have a coach issue in general, it has a MAJOR Pres/GM issue.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Multiple things can be true.

 

[JTM]

No doubt, if you wanted to play young kids, or reboot, you don't hire coaches like Gallant, Lavy, and Sullivan. This was/is Drury's decision. If he wanted to reboot, he would have hired coaches that fit that plan, he did not.

No coach is perfect, and you can clearly say they should play this guy or that guy over X, but big picture the overarching concern here is not the multiple coaches, it's the Pres/GM (who BTW also hires the coaches). Until that issue is solved, the rest is window dressing.

What also seems to be true is outside of Perreault none of the Rangers kids project to be more than bottom 6 or 3rd pair dmen type guys. It's a real mess unfortunately.

 

[JTM]

Mike Sullivan is a multi-time SC winning HC, he's also the HC for a US national team. Chris Drury has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as a Pres/GM, but we're supposed to be really critical of the job Sullivan is doing instead of focusing 100% of our ire on Drury. It doesn't add up IMO.

I will freely say all THREE of the coaches Drury has cycled through the past four seasons are not rebuild type coaches, so that's fair. But one man hired them, one man assembled the players, and one man I am sure brought these coaches in for one reason, to WIN and to WIN a Cup, not go through a rebuild.

If you want to go through a rebuild, two VERY different things need to happen:

1. You need to actually have good young players to build around. The Rangers VERY CLEARLY do not. Perreault is the one guy who can be more than that, he needs to be treated as such. Outside of him their young players are whatever bottom 6 guys at best.
2. You need to hire a different type of head coach. Gallant, Lavy, Sullivan are NOT rebuilding type coaches. If your goal was step back and rebuild/reboot, you don't hire those guys.

So simply put, any road you take this is on Drury. For being win now with not a good team. For hiring coaches that are win now coaches. For not having young kids to build around. The list of Drury related issues is long.

We can debate it, it's a good discussion, but what I am listing are facts, unfortunately it's the world the Rangers live in.

 

[Messiah717]

Since 2012 you have had four coaches take them to the ECF with one going to two plus the SCF. Enough with the coaches. Drury has hired and fired enough of them in a short period of time. This is on him now.

 

[JTM]

Since 2012 you have had four coaches take them to the ECF with one going to two plus the SCF. Enough with the coaches. Drury has hired and fired enough of them in a short period of time. This is on him now.

100% yes. Step back and think about this, Drury/the Rangers are on their THIRD coach in the past four seasons, that's crazy. One man has fired/hired the coaches and one man has built the team, Chris Drury. This is so basic and simple, the guy is terrible and as I said the second he was hired, he is in over his head and would do a terrible job. I have been 10000000000% spot on.

To be fair, Grey is also 100% right, multiple things can be true for sure. You can question some of the lines/scratches/strategy of all coaches, no doubt. But to me while it absolutely can be/is true Gallant/Lavy/Sullivan have had their ups and downs that is so very far secondary to the one constant, the one doing the hiring and building, Drury.

He needs to be gone yesterday, but this is where Dolan fails miserably as an owner. I feel highly confident in saying not only will Drury be here for a long time, but I'd also say he's not even on a warm seat, let alone a hot seat. It's sad, pathetic, and awful for all Rangers fans.

Drury should be making moves, dealing away players, instead he's adding guys like Soucy, or making terrible trades like overpaying for Reilly Smith to be a 2nd line winger.

Why wasn't Drury in on Zegras? He is from NY, always wanted to be a Ranger, the Flyers got him for virtually nothing (2nd & 4th round picks). You know why he wasn't in on Zegras, because that would require foresight and creativity, and Drury has neither.

He's a disgrace at his job. And all Ranger fans should be calling for this guy to be fired, because as long as he is here nothing will change. Three coaches in four years, four coaches in five years, whatever. The head of the snake must go!!