Game Thread GAME# 4: BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - DECEMBER 30, 2020 - WEDNESDAY, 7:00 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

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When Melo comes back from the health/safety protocol, should he lose his spot in the rotation?

  • Yes, he was horrible before and there are better players behind him.

    Votes: 18 31.6%

  • No, but give him one last chance. If he stinks it up, into the doghouse he goes.

    Votes: 3 5.3%

  • No, give him a couple more chances, and if he doesn't play well, then give away his minutes or spot.

    Votes: 6 10.5%

  • No, but keep him on a short leash each game. Pull him if he's not playing well.

    Votes: 28 49.1%

  • No, a player should not lose his spot because of an injury. He deserves his place in the rotation.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, Melo re-signed w/ the Blazers on a min contract. He's a future Hall-of-Famer & deserves respect

    Votes: 2 3.5%
  • Total voters
    57
  • Poll closed .
last season, in a 5 game stretch early in the season, Dame shot 21-76 on FG's (27.6%) and 9-35 on three's (25.7%). He averaged 5 turnovers in those games. The year before that, in an 11 game stretch within the first 20 games of the season, he averaged 34% on FG's and 29% on three's.

he tends to have slow starts, but steadily ratchets up his game as the season progresses.

A problem this season is that teams are using the template used against Dame in the playoffs in years past: blanket Dame with defenders and make the other Blazers beat them. The Jazz did it; Houston tried it a little, but had roster issues. The Lakers did it quite a bit; and the Clippers ran it a lot tonight. I still don't see the answer to that in scheme or rotation
 
PCmor7 said:
I didn't say he was shot, for heaven's sake. I said his shot doesn't look as good as it has in recent seasons.

For Pete's sake, calm down.
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Oh, I'm fine. You should just read what you're saying you didn't want to be the first one to say because the first sentence of the post you were responding to was saying that Dame is getting old. So that would infer that it would be something more than his shot just being off... that he is in some sort of decline. I thought that was ridiculous so I went a little over the top with my ridicule. Sorry.
 
BlazerBeav said:
A four-game split would be garbage - we should expect to beat the Warriors twice. A split against the LA teams? Every team in the league would take that.
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Why should we expect to beat the Warriors twice in a row in their own building? Even crap teams win more than 50 % at home and they are coming off two straight wins on the road. We do not know how good they are. Their losses are on the road to the Nets and Bucks. My guess is we win the first one and lose the 2nd.
 
blazerkor said:
You should just read what you're saying you didn't want to be the first one to say because the first sentence of the post you were responding to was saying that Dame is getting old.
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I'll admit...I lost track of what was going on about half way thru that sentence
 
wizenheimer said:
last season, in a 5 game stretch early in the season, Dame shot 21-76 on FG's (27.6%) and 9-35 on three's (25.7%). He averaged 5 turnovers in those games. The year before that, in an 11 game stretch within the first 20 games of the season, he averaged 34% on FG's and 29% on three's.

he tends to have slow starts, but steadily ratchets up his game as the season progresses.

A problem this season is that teams are using the template used against Dame in the playoffs in years past: blanket Dame with defenders and make the other Blazers beat them. The Jazz did it; Houston tried it a little, but had roster issues. The Lakers did it quite a bit; and the Clippers ran it a lot tonight. I still don't see the answer to that in scheme or rotation
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I did. CJ was 6-10 from three at the half but it wasn't just that. They moved Kanter out further and opened up wide open looks for dame as well. He just missed them. Same for Jones and Melo's wide open looks missed as well. At the half dame was 0-8 from 3. Those were decent looks. Shots he usually makes at least 30-40% of. Next problem was the Clippers hitting shots with a hand in their face. The Blazers were there on many of those shots.
Now the bigger problem was TO's. Passing into a crowd by Nurk,CJ, Dame and Jones has got to stop.
 
BlazerBeav said:
A four-game split would be garbage - we should expect to beat the Warriors twice. A split against the LA teams? Every team in the league would take that.
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It is very tough for any team to beat another team twice in a row on their own court. Especially when they have a Guy named Steph Curry on their team.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why should we expect to beat the Warriors twice in a row in their own building? Even crap teams win more than 50 % at home and they are coming off two straight wins on the road. We do not know how good they are. Their losses are on the road to the Nets and Bucks. My guess is we win the first one and lose the 2nd.
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I've watched 3 out of their 4 games - and they are bad. They beat Chicago on a buzzer beater and barely escaped Detroit. If you haven't seen either of those teams (and most people haven't since they are both awful), you'd understand why winning those games doesn't strike fear into my heart. We absolutely should beat them twice. Doesn't mean we will - but we should.
 
kjironman1 said:
It is very tough for any team to beat another team twice in a row on their own court. Especially when they have a Guy named Steph Curry on their team.
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And especially if you’re giving wide open 3s to that guy named Steph Curry.
 
BlazerBeav said:
I've watched 3 out of their 4 games - and they are bad. They beat Chicago on a buzzer beater and barely escaped Detroit. If you haven't seen either of those teams (and most people haven't since they are both awful), you'd understand why winning those games doesn't strike fear into my heart. We absolutely should beat them twice. Doesn't mean we will - but we should.
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All without Draymond. As much as I hate him he does make a difference. And he is scheduled to be back on Friday.
 
OneSport3 said:
And especially if you’re giving wide open 3s to that guy named Steph Curry.
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This whole "Wide Open Threes" concept that posters on this board are all about seems a bit overblown. The Blazers had just as many "Wide Open Threes" against the clippers as they had against the Blazers. The difference was they hit like 57% of them and the Blazers hit nearly none of them. No I have not looked at the Box yet.
The NBA is all about getting open looks from three. The Blazers do it just as well as any other team. Even more so they had a hand in the face of most of those "Wide open Threes" the Clippers were shooting. If you think they didn't go watch the game again. Defending a three point shot now is much more difficult than what people seem to think? All you can do is get a hand up. If you are too close they will kick a foot out or a knee and you will be called.
 
So what did Nurk do during off-season. Looks like the guy is out of shape.
 
kjironman1 said:
This whole "Wide Open Threes" concept that posters on this board are all about seems a bit overblown. The Blazers had just as many "Wide Open Threes" against the clippers as they had against the Blazers. The difference was they hit like 57% of them and the Blazers hit nearly none of them. No I have not looked at the Box yet.
The NBA is all about getting open looks from three. The Blazers do it just as well as any other team. Even more so they had a hand in the face of most of those "Wide open Threes" the Clippers were shooting. If you think they didn't go watch the game again. Defending a three point shot now is much more difficult than what people seem to think? All you can do is get a hand up. If you are too close they will kick a foot out or a knee and you will be called.
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well I can guarantee those numbers are wrong. NBA.com tracks shots by closest defender and Blazers are last in the league at getting wide open looks. These stats are before tonight’s game. I’ll check what they are tomorrow but I pretty much guarantee the Clippers number will be up.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/sho... Season&CloseDefDistRange=6+ Feet - Wide Open

Blazers generate 12 open 3s per game and hit 36%. Clippers 15 and hit 34%. Thats all before today’s game. Check back tomorrow to see how that number changes.
 
blazerkor said:
Oh, I'm fine. You should just read what you're saying you didn't want to be the first one to say because the first sentence of the post you were responding to was saying that Dame is getting old. So that would infer that it would be something more than his shot just being off... that he is in some sort of decline. I thought that was ridiculous so I went a little over the top with my ridicule. Sorry.
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Dude, chill. Seriously, you need to watch your heart.

Believe it or not, responding to someone's post doesn't mean you literally are agreeing with every letter of every word of it. It's agreeing with the general tone of the post that he doesn't seem quite right.

And thanks for driving home the point of my reply that I didn't want to say that because I hate wasting my time with sycophantic hero-worshippers who hate when their team loses and then take it out on fellow fans by over-dissecting and getting irritated by minor details in other people's posts. This is two posts you've already devoted to me on what's really, really minor.
 
kjironman1 said:
This whole "Wide Open Threes" concept that posters on this board are all about seems a bit overblown. The Blazers had just as many "Wide Open Threes" against the clippers as they had against the Blazers. The difference was they hit like 57% of them and the Blazers hit nearly none of them. No I have not looked at the Box yet.
The NBA is all about getting open looks from three. The Blazers do it just as well as any other team. Even more so they had a hand in the face of most of those "Wide open Threes" the Clippers were shooting. If you think they didn't go watch the game again. Defending a three point shot now is much more difficult than what people seem to think? All you can do is get a hand up. If you are too close they will kick a foot out or a knee and you will be called.
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Actually, the NBA advanced stats define a “wide open” 3 as 6+ feet between shooter and defender, “open” as 4-6 feet and “contested” as 3 feet or less. Haven’t looked it up this season but last season we were one of the worst in the league at allowing wide open 3s and open 3s. Tonight there were a lot of wide open and open 3s allowed.
 
B-Roy said:
well I can guarantee those numbers are wrong. NBA.com tracks shots by closest defender and Blazers are last in the league at getting wide open looks. These stats are before tonight’s game. I’ll check what they are tomorrow but I pretty much guarantee the Clippers number will be up.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/shots-closest-defender-10/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular Season&CloseDefDistRange=6+ Feet - Wide Open

Blazers generate 12 open 3s per game and hit 36%. Clippers 15 and hit 34%. Thats all before today’s game. Check back tomorrow to see how that number changes.
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How would i find that? three point shots by closest defender stat?
 
kjironman1 said:
How would i find that? three point shots by closest defender stat?
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Filter by wide open shots, sort by 3pt shot attempts.

They don’t have game by game stats, but clearly you can just calculate the amount allowed this game with some simple math using what the number is today and the number is tomorrow.
 
OneSport3 said:
Actually, the NBA advanced stats define a “wide open” 3 as 6+ feet between shooter and defender, “open” as 4-6 feet and “contested” as 3 feet or less. Haven’t looked it up this season but last season we were one of the worst in the league at allowing wide open 3s and open 3s. Tonight there were a lot of wide open and open 3s allowed.
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So you are saying that a defender has to be over 6 foot away to be wide open and has to be within 3 foot to be contested? Does this position start at the gather or at the pull up? Or is it at the release?
 
B-Roy said:
Filter by wide open shots, sort by 3pt shot attempts.

They don’t have game by game stats, but clearly you can just calculate the amount allowed this game with some simple math using what the number is today and the number is tomorrow.
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Thank you. I'll look for it.
 
It’s not even blowouts, this game was over in the first quarter. Some games that look like blowouts are actually competitive for 2-3 quarters and then one team gets hot. We sucked out of the gate and the entire game basically became garbage time. All our losses follow this pattern.
 
One thing is clear: CJ2 is this year’s white flag. As is Dame’s cousin.

Simons should be as well :bored:
 
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