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NYR31 said:
You would complain about the coach no matter what he did. If he changed the lines you'd be complaining he's doing it too much and not giving them a chance to gel and create chemistry/offense. If he doesn't change the lines, then you'll complain he's not changing them.
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Wait people blame the coaches? Inconceivable!

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I am not making any excuses, but I think AV did a good job here. He is a good coach and in his first year with injured McD, no Krieder, idiot Nash I think he did well as a coach. Brassard, Zuk and Puliout are playing best hockey of their career minus Pens series. No Cali who was the heart and soul of the team, so I am not sure why many of you are blaming him. He is not a problem. Stupid schedule which is unheard of 5 games in 7 nights does not happened in a regular season let alone playoffs.

I think you all know that I was against Nash trade, and not because I have a man crush on Dubi. It is not about Dubi. You just don't change the team dramatically after ECF game 6. You don't fix if it ain't broke, and I know ECF loss in 6 needs fixing but not such a dramatic change. So for next season I hope we build on positives that we had this year instead 360 change. Let's not bring another super star, and if possible lets trade Nash.
 
2009 I am done defending Nash. He is a total puss and I was wrong about him. That said, the ECF team COULDNT FUCKING SCORE in the playoffs. Neither can this team as it turns out. The Nash move didn't work out. He was a good reg season player but a complete abortion in the playoffs. I thought he was the missing piece. So did Sather. He clearly isn't. That trade was worth the risk. Nash is just a guy that hides when the pressure is on. I agree with a previous poster about how Mess would handle him. He would have made Sather trade him.

But this was a complete team fail. St Louis. Stepan. McDonough. Richards. Nobody came to play.

This team lacks heart and leadership. Extremely frustrating.

Why is it so hard to be a Rangers fan.


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Messiah717 said:
This is why I used to always roll my eyes and laugh when Dump would go on and on about the Devils. After a heart breaking ECF loss to the Rangers in 1994 that franchise went to five cup finals and won three of them. How any Ranger fan could question that franchise is laughable.
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Agreed, I like Dump and the arguments he caused but he was just dead wrong about the Devils. Great organization with an all time great goalie. Lou>>>>>>>>>>Sather. Sather did a good job with Edmonton no doubt, he has been pretty pedestrian as the Ranger boss though hard to totally fault him when he brings stars here and they shit the bed.
 
What a pathetic performance. Pretty much right from the start we were weak and sloppy. Started turning the puck over in our own zone left and right. Really a weak no show performance in a must win game.

What is funny is until the Hags goal the game was pretty even, despite our sloppiness with the puck (giveaways were 25-8...we had 25 giveaways...WOW). But as soon as Hags scored it was over. The Pens dominated from there forward. After the Hags goal the shots were 10-8 Rangers. Next time I looked up it was 18-11 Pens. Rangers finished with 15 shots. So in the last 34 + minutes we had 5 shots...5 in a must win game at home. Again the only way to describe it is weak pathetic no show effort.

We have made the Pens look like this dominant team. 3 goals in the last 11 periods plus 5 or so minutes in OT. SAD. You just know against Montreal/Boston MAF and the Pens D will be back to their norm of bad goals, and allowing the other 3 or 4 goals a game.

We just do not play well against the Pens, and never have. I thought we were over that given the season split, the win in game 1 (which I thought was HUGE at the time), and the fact the Pens are just not as deep and talented this season as they have been the past few seasons. But NOPE...beaten down by the Pens again.

You could have clearly told me we'd lose this series and I would not have been surprised at all of course. But NO WAY could you tell me after game 1 we'd lose 3 straight, 2 at home, and get shut out twice, and score 2 goals over the next 3 games...NO WAY.

What a huge downer. Sad stuff on the ice last night...really was.
 
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Only caught some of last nights game, but most of the others. My biggest question is hasn't the coaching staff looked at tapes of how the flyers, and columbus, play the penguins? The rangers are passing up opportunities to hit those f'ers, you have to be relentless and always in their face, they don't like it and they become unglued. Columbus was able to get the puck low and cycle on pukesburgh, the rangers are having a tough time with puck possession, I would think the rangers are a better team than columbus.
Did the flyer series just wear the rangers out? Nash looks lost out there, what the hell happened to him. Hoping you guys can come back, but it doesn't look good.
 
As for Nash, and the players not loving him being booed, this is where players don't get it. We pay 200$ + to sit at these playoff games. The players say we are out there trying our best. Okay...all fair, but at some point in time IT HAS TO BE ABOUT ACTUAL RESULTS WITH NASH. That is what the players don't get.

I won't sit here and say Nash doesn't care or Nash doesn't try...nope. I do think he is too nice, soft, and lacks a kiler instinct, but I do believe he wants to win and tries hard. BUT the guy has 1 ONE goal in 23 playoff games as a Ranger...ONE. He has a 7.8 mill per cap hit. I don't want to hear oh he plays hard. He tries. He cares. He gets chances. DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE. And that is what the players don't get AT ALL.

It mattered that he was trying hard, getting shots, and getting chances 10 games ago, 8 games ago maybe, but after 23 playoff games...WE NEED RESULTS. This is not little kid soccer when everyone gets a trophy just for playing.

What Nash needs is to get some balls. That is it. I have been saying it for weeks now, and it is SO crystal clear. He is too nice, and so soft. He does not go into the dirty areas to make plays. Everything is a spin move or some finesse BS. He is a very large man and plays smaller than Zucc. MAN UP RICK NASH. That is the bottom line.

And that is what the players miss. Oh we know Rick cares. Hate to hear him getting booed. He wants it badly...DOESN'T MATTER AFTER 23 PLAYOFF GAMES AS A RANGER AND ONE GOAL...PERIOD.
 
shrike19 said:
Only caught some of last nights game, but most of the others. My biggest question is hasn't the coaching staff looked at tapes of how the flyers, and columbus, play the penguins? The rangers are passing up opportunities to hit those f'ers, you have to be relentless and always in their face, they don't like it and they become unglued. Columbus was able to get the puck low and cycle on pukesburgh, the rangers are having a tough time with puck possession, I would think the rangers are a better team than columbus.
Did the flyer series just wear the rangers out? Nash looks lost out there, what the hell happened to him. Hoping you guys can come back, but it doesn't look good.
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Here is the issue, At days end I am 100% convinced the way to beat the Pens is pound them. Hit them. Be physical. We cannot do that. We do not do that. That is why Philly owns Pitt. Why CBJ plays a great series against Pitt (WAY better than our effort). Why Boston pounded Pitt.

We try and play a finesse speed game. They play a finesse speed game. And guess what...we don't have Cindy and Malkin to do it. Game over.
 
On some other players.

McDonagh has to be hurt. Sounds like a pass, but it isn't. His level of play is about 700 levels below his pre-injury play. Almost no shot he isn't hurt. That last goal Malkin abused him. Making mistakes all over the ice. This was a top 7 or so dman all season. This is not the same guy out there.

MSL has to shoot more. Always looking to pass, and other teams know it. Since his hot playoff start he has done nothing. Last night he literally passed the puck right on Pens sticks 2 or 3 times, one on the PP which was actually funny.

Girardi has been bad. Not sure if he is trying to makeup for McDonagh, but no good. Not much else to say here.

Staal has struggled the past few games. Two goals last night were directly on him IMO.

Stepan I just don't know what to say anymore. Even as a # 2 C it concerns me greatly that he never shows up in the playoffs.

Kreider was our best player last night IMO. I thought he played hard and skated fast. Excited to see 25 from him next season.

Richards will be boughtout this summer. Downside is he scored 20 this season, so we need to replace that at C, and add a true # 1 C, but it won't be easy. Also I am sure it will not make MSL happy that his buddy Richards will be gone. Has to be done though.

Nash I said it above. Not sure what you can do with him other than hope though. Can't trade him I don't think. NTC and pennies on the dollar. Just have to hope.

That shorthanded goal summed up the effort last night. Nash with another awful play (no doubt all of this playoff stuff is in his head now and nothing is natural), but what was worse is Hank makes the play he has to. You say okay on the PP we clear it now, but NOPE next guy through gets the rebound and puts it into the open net. That was the worst part and showed 10000000000% clear lack of hustle and desire. Flat out dog effort. And Hank was PISSED. Broke his stick over the goal, and you heard it in the Garden. He was PISSED, and I get it. What a dog effort on that play.

Not much else to say. No show in a playoff game must win at home. We move on now...
 
chuckd3534 said:
On some other players.

McDonagh has to be hurt. Sounds like a pass, but it isn't. His level of play is about 700 levels below his pre-injury play. Almost no shot he isn't hurt. That last goal Malkin abused him. Making mistakes all over the ice. This was a top 7 or so dman all season. This is not the same guy out there.

MSL has to shoot more. Always looking to pass, and other teams know it. Since his hot playoff start he has done nothing. Last night he literally passed the puck right on Pens sticks 2 or 3 times, one on the PP which was actually funny.

Girardi has been bad. Not sure if he is trying to makeup for McDonagh, but no good. Not much else to say here.

Staal has struggled the past few games. Two goals last night were directly on him IMO.

Stepan I just don't know what to say anymore. Even as a # 2 C it concerns me greatly that he never shows up in the playoffs.

Kreider was our best player last night IMO. I thought he played hard and skated fast. Excited to see 25 from him next season.

Richards will be boughtout this summer. Downside is he scored 20 this season, so we need to replace that at C, and add a true # 1 C, but it won't be easy. Also I am sure it will not make MSL happy that his buddy Richards will be gone. Has to be done though.

Nash I said it above. Not sure what you can do with him other than hope though. Can't trade him I don't think. NTC and pennies on the dollar. Just have to hope.

That shorthanded goal summed up the effort last night. Nash with another awful play (no doubt all of this playoff stuff is in his head now and nothing is natural), but what was worse is Hank makes the play he has to. You say okay on the PP we clear it now, but NOPE next guy through gets the rebound and puts it into the open net. That was the worst part and showed 10000000000% clear lack of hustle and desire. Flat out dog effort. And Hank was PISSED. Broke his stick over the goal, and you heard it in the Garden. He was PISSED, and I get it. What a dog effort on that play.

Not much else to say. No show in a playoff game must win at home. We move on now...
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McDonough was an absolute dog on that play. He glided while his man skated right by him and put in the rebound. No effort to pick up the man at all except a weak reach with the stick. No skating and no contact at all. I understand the shoulder is clearly injured and he will likely need repairs on it but come on. Pick up your damn man and keep him out of the play.
 
If he is hurt Mess and it comes out Saturday/early next week, I give the kid a pass. I will not make a final call on McDonagh until we see if he was injured, and how badly if he is indeed hurt. That is only fair.

Again, his play went from all-star stud down to 3rd pair level in the playoffs. Has to be something deeper.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to find out McDonagh has something wrong with his legs as well as his shoulder. His legs just aren't there either.
 
The bottom line is that last night there was very little effort or desire. That's very disappointing to see when you're a fan. Losing hard fought games is one thing. It happens and you deal with it. Losing because you just don't want to compete is another story.
 
For sure Mess...no way to argue that. It was a pathetic weak performance. No doubt about it.
 
The Nash thing cracks me up though. Like results don't matter. He wants it and is trying hard, so don't boo him. BS...this is the NHL not pee-wee football.
 
so glad I didn't spend over 400 to get two tickets and have my son watch me go bezerk. that long train ride home would have been the death of both of us.
My pee wee football team has a lot of heart, they cry when they lose, if I saw nash snap a stick in frustration I could give him a pass..if he layed his body out and hustled and crashed the net, than I think he gets a pass and WOULDNT BE BOOED. but he has been playing like a pussy. Pussies get booed in NY.
 
Put in Talbot. Hank is not the main issue but I guarantee you they will wake up and win the next game at least.
 
Are you fucking crazy? Yeah that makes a lot of sense....the team cant score so lets change the All World Goalie and put in a kid who has a small resume.
 
I've been a Talbot proponent all year but I wouldn't change since Lundqvist isn't the problem here. He's been very good all postseason. If he had a few poor games I'd say yeah.
 
Enough with the stupid Talbot shit. Repeating it twenty times doesn't make it any better of an idea or thought.
 
all i can say is wow, but i think about nash, his only goal as a ranger was @ boston in boston and i was at that game and remember vividly, maybe i need to go to more games?? LOL willing to try anything.

its tough to swallow it is, this is a disappointment to say the least, but the thing is that we are not good and i dont know what happened, we looked decent against flyers, IDK what happened
 
McD is definitely hurt, NBC showed a clip from early in the Philly series where he was hit awkwardly by I believe Rinaldo and Ryan's left arm was hanging on the ice. I give him credit for toughing it out. If you are watching any of the other series Stralman, Klein and Moore would not even be on most other postseason team's active rosters let alone be playing significant minutes. These 3 bums are garbage and should be shown the door - McIlrath, Allen and Falk are much better options.

Girardi has been brutally bad in this series, no inclination to hit anyone, needs to get a mean streak fast now that he's resigned. Skating past the front of the goal on the Pitt shorthander leaving a juicy rebound laying there has been Dan's playoff in a nutshell - timid, nonphysical and turnover laden.

Staal has been just as bad this series, the deflection off his skate would have never materialized had he stepped up at the blue line and taken the body. Again no inclination to hit anyone any time.

As good as AV has been in his debut changing the Rangers mindset and taking them to the playoffs he has absolutely shit the bed postseason. I'm beginning to wonder if the non-physical philosophy is coming from AV - that was the knock on him in Vancouver, teams took liberties with the Canucks and the only thing that seemed to get worked up was the piece of gum in AV's mouth. After an impressive start to the PP in the first 2 games of the Philly series AV has been unable to adjust strategy to counter the Flyers and now Pens hold the blue line stance. The Rangers are being outhustled and the lines have become stagnant. AV has made some questionable decisions on scratching players. I thought the Rangers should have rolled the Flyers in 5 worst case 6. The fact that the series went a close 7 in hindsight should have raised a red flag.

How this series ends in my opinion shapes the team's composition next year.
 
Cut the crap with the Talbot idea. It sux and the more you say it doesn't make it sound any better.
 
panzerporter said:
McD is definitely hurt, NBC showed a clip from early in the Philly series where he was hit awkwardly by I believe Rinaldo and Ryan's left arm was hanging on the ice. I give him credit for toughing it out. If you are watching any of the other series Stralman, Klein and Moore would not even be on most other postseason team's active rosters let alone be playing significant minutes. These 3 bums are garbage and should be shown the door - McIlrath, Allen and Falk are much better options.

Girardi has been brutally bad in this series, no inclination to hit anyone, needs to get a mean streak fast now that he's resigned. Skating past the front of the goal on the Pitt shorthander leaving a juicy rebound laying there has been Dan's playoff in a nutshell - timid, nonphysical and turnover laden.

Staal has been just as bad this series, the deflection off his skate would have never materialized had he stepped up at the blue line and taken the body. Again no inclination to hit anyone any time.

As good as AV has been in his debut changing the Rangers mindset and taking them to the playoffs he has absolutely shit the bed postseason. I'm beginning to wonder if the non-physical philosophy is coming from AV - that was the knock on him in Vancouver, teams took liberties with the Canucks and the only thing that seemed to get worked up was the piece of gum in AV's mouth. After an impressive start to the PP in the first 2 games of the Philly series AV has been unable to adjust strategy to counter the Flyers and now Pens hold the blue line stance. The Rangers are being outhustled and the lines have become stagnant. AV has made some questionable decisions on scratching players. I thought the Rangers should have rolled the Flyers in 5 worst case 6. The fact that the series went a close 7 in hindsight should have raised a red flag.

How this series ends in my opinion shapes the team's composition next year.
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Great post Panzer
 
panzerporter said:
McD is definitely hurt, NBC showed a clip from early in the Philly series where he was hit awkwardly by I believe Rinaldo and Ryan's left arm was hanging on the ice. I give him credit for toughing it out. If you are watching any of the other series Stralman, Klein and Moore would not even be on most other postseason team's active rosters let alone be playing significant minutes. These 3 bums are garbage and should be shown the door - McIlrath, Allen and Falk are much better options.

Girardi has been brutally bad in this series, no inclination to hit anyone, needs to get a mean streak fast now that he's resigned. Skating past the front of the goal on the Pitt shorthander leaving a juicy rebound laying there has been Dan's playoff in a nutshell - timid, nonphysical and turnover laden.

Staal has been just as bad this series, the deflection off his skate would have never materialized had he stepped up at the blue line and taken the body. Again no inclination to hit anyone any time.

As good as AV has been in his debut changing the Rangers mindset and taking them to the playoffs he has absolutely shit the bed postseason. I'm beginning to wonder if the non-physical philosophy is coming from AV - that was the knock on him in Vancouver, teams took liberties with the Canucks and the only thing that seemed to get worked up was the piece of gum in AV's mouth. After an impressive start to the PP in the first 2 games of the Philly series AV has been unable to adjust strategy to counter the Flyers and now Pens hold the blue line stance. The Rangers are being outhustled and the lines have become stagnant. AV has made some questionable decisions on scratching players. I thought the Rangers should have rolled the Flyers in 5 worst case 6. The fact that the series went a close 7 in hindsight should have raised a red flag.

How this series ends in my opinion shapes the team's composition next year.
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He also has all world talent in Vancouver. If we played more physical then the ttansition game suffers. I find it funny though that the rangers still lead the playoffs in blocked shoots but no one is blowing a tire over this stratergy of throwing themselves into pucks.

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