Game Thread GAME# 47: BLAZERS @ PISTONS - MARCH 31, 2021 - WEDNESDAY, 4:00, NBCSNW

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OneSport3 said:
Different fanbases, different expectations. Boston fans expect championships. Portland fans are happy to make the playoffs.

And if you truly are confused if Stevens is better than Stotts, I don't know what to tell you. If both Stevens and Stotts were fired today, look at how many teams would go after Stevens and how many would go after Stotts. That's how you would find your answer.
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If Portland fans are happy to just make the playoffs, how come so many people around here are complaining? Are the complainers not Blazer fans?
 
Tince said:
If Portland fans are happy to just make the playoffs, how come so many people around here are complaining? Are the complainers not Blazer fans?
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This forum is not a good representation of the average fan. Just listen to the boobs who call into the 5th quarter. Most of them have never heard of basketball reference. Most of them would have no clue what PER is or winshare or usage or anything like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This forum is not a good representation of the average fan. Just listen to the boobs who call into the 5th quarter. Most of them have never heard of basketball reference. Most of them would have no clue what PER is or winshare or usage or anything like that.
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I don't disagree with this, but I'm not sure that differs from how the average Celtics fan is either.

People like to think their fan base is so different from everyone else and their rival fan base is so much worse than other fan bases, but I'm not sure I buy that.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Stotts would be hired immediately. He is well respected around the league. Stevens has 2 All Stars and can’t coach them to .500 ball. In the EAST. Stotts is much more successful and that’s all that matters.
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Stotts is much more succesful??? Hahahahahahaha. Man, this is just not true. You are on some other planet.

I don't doubt some team would hire Stotts again. But I would guarantee that no team would go after Stotts first before they go after Stevens (unless they knew they had no chance to get Stevens).
 
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Tince said:
I don't disagree with this, but I'm not sure that differs from how the average Celtics fan is either.

People like to think their fan base is so different from everyone else and their rival fan base is so much worse than other fan bases, but I'm not sure I buy that.
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I think our overall fanbase is different because we aren’t spoiled by winning. Boston fans are used to the Patriots and the Redsox and the historical success of the Celtics. We have one title total for this state, unless you count the timbers.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think our overall fanbase is different because we aren’t spoiled by winning. Boston fans are used to the Patriots and the Redsox and the historical success of the Celtics. We have one title total for this state, unless you count the timbers.
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I'd say we're spoiled by making the playoffs. We think making the playoffs is nearly a right and nothing worth praise.

I see what you're saying about a city with multiple teams, many of which have won titles, but I still think the average fan over-values their best player, is highly critical of their coach, and thinks they should be better than they are. It's a common theme across cities, sports, etc.
 
OneSport3 said:
Stotts is much more succesful??? Hahahahahahaha. Man, this is just not true. You are on some other planet.
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More is a bit much, but the gap really isn't that big. Stotts, despite stops with perennial losers in Atlanta and Milwaukee has a career winning percentage of .515. Stevens sits at .557.

In fact, if you want to be fair and compare just his time in Portland to Stevens in Boston, Stotts sits at .559 - slightly better. And there's no arguing Stotts has faced much tougher competition in the West than Stevens in the East. I'd say it can certainly be argued they're very similar.
 
OneSport3 said:
Stotts is much more succesful??? Hahahahahahaha. Man, this is just not true. You are on some other planet.

I don't doubt some team would hire Stotts again. But I would guarantee that no team would go after Stotts first before they go after Stevens (unless they knew they had no chance to get Stevens).
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I like Stevens and have no interest in bashing him. Having said that, his win percentage in an easier conference is 55.8%. Stotts' win percentage in Portland is 55.9%. Stotts has had the best player of the group. Stevens has had more top end talent that Stotts.
 
BlazerBeav said:
More is a bit much, but the gap really isn't that big. Stotts, despite stops with perennial losers in Atlanta and Milwaukee has a career winning percentage of .515. Stevens sits at .557.
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Stevens playoff career win percentage .507, Stotts .344

Stevens with 3 appearances in the conference finals with 6 game wins
Stotts with 1 appearance in the conference finals with 0 game wins
 
OneSport3 said:
Stevens playoff career win percentage .507, Stotts .344

Stevens with 3 appearances in the conference finals with 6 game wins
Stotts with 1 appearance in the conference finals with 0 game wins
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Our 21 playoff wins came against West teams. We all know the east has been trash save for whatever team Lebron was on.

I'm not here to sing Stotts' praises, but the amount of credit Stevens gets for a whole bunch of 'meh' in Boston is undeserved.
 
OneSport3 said:
Stevens playoff career win percentage .507, Stotts .344

Stevens with 3 appearances in the conference finals with 6 game wins
Stotts with 1 appearance in the conference finals with 0 game wins
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The East has been significantly weaker than the west for a long time. Not really a fair comparison. More talent in a weaker conference should produce a much higher win percentage, yet his overall regular season win percentage is lower.
 
Tince said:
I like Stevens and have no interest in bashing him. Having said that, his win percentage in an easier conference is 55.8%. Stotts' win percentage in Portland is 55.9%. Stotts has had the best player of the group. Stevens has had more top end talent that Stotts.
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Stevens was hired to rebuild.
 
MickZagger said:
Stevens was hired to rebuild.
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True...and has subsequently been given a lot more talent.

If I remember correctly, Stotts had to coach a rebuilt team who lost 4 of their top 5 players, and made it to the 2nd round of the playoff despite being picked to finish near dead least in the West.
 
BlazerBeav said:
I don't know if you remember what Stotts was hired to lead in 2012.....
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He had a bonafide All star in Aldridge, A rookie Lillard who won ROY, veteran pieces like Batum, Crawford and Wallace.

Look at that Celtics roster from 2013-14. There was a fire sale after the championship teams and it was just a heap of trash.
 
MickZagger said:
He had a bonafide All star in Aldridge, A rookie Lillard who won ROY, veteran pieces like Batum, Crawford and Wallace.

Look at that Celtics roster from 2013-14. There was a fire sale after the championship teams and it was just a heap of trash.
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Stotts didn’t have Crawford and Wallace. In fact Wallace was essentially traded for Dame.
 
MickZagger said:
He had a bonafide All star in Aldridge, A rookie Lillard who won ROY, veteran pieces like Batum, Crawford and Wallace.

Look at that Celtics roster from 2013-14. There was a fire sale after the championship teams and it was just a heap of trash.
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How many bonafide all-stars and lottery picks has Stevens had at his disposal over the last 6 years and how does that compare to Portland?

More talent, weaker conference, same win percentage. And again, I like Stevens!
 
Tince said:
How many bonafide all-stars and lottery picks has Stevens had at his disposal over the last 6 years and how does that compare to Portland?
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My point was that the stats you brought up of %’s isn’t quite as relevant because Stevens was brought in to completely rebuild. Stotts was brought in to re-tool.

Not how many All Stars each coach has had. That’s a secondary discussion.
 
MickZagger said:
My point was that the stats you brought up of %’s isn’t quite as relevant because Stevens was brought in to completely rebuild. Stotts was brought in to re-tool.

Not how many All Stars each coach has had. That’s a secondary discussion.
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Stotts had to retool in 2015. A team picked to finish (median) 25th in the league. So both Stotts and Stevens have had to retool. Stevens has also had like 5-6 all-stars and another 5 or so lottery picks in that time period. Stevens also has been in a much weaker conference.
 
Tince said:
Stotts had to retool in 2015. A team picked to finish (median) 25th in the league. So both Stotts and Stevens have had to retool. Stevens has also had like 5-6 all-stars and another 5 or so lottery picks in that time period. Stevens also has been in a much weaker conference.
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Stevens is just a better coach. His early years in Boston he really had no talent but was taking teams to the playoffs (albeit in the East) with really not great rosters at all. He did it by coaching his ass off and getting guys to play defense.

I think if a league wide survey of NBA executives was given on who you’d rather have as a coach between Stotts or Stevens it would be nearly unanimous for Stevens.

Stotts is an okay coach. Allows the players freedom. But also doesn’t adjust and relies too much on hero ball.

He should not have such the long tenure that he has in Portland. Nothing warrants it.
 
in the Stotts vs Stevens pissing contest, it is worth noting that Stevens has taken the Celts to 4 straight EC finals while averaging 52 wins a year. He even managed to win some games in the conference finals. He is having a tough time this season as his team is struggling, much like Stotts had last season. Stevens has a .558 winning percentage in the regular season; Stotts has a .515 rate. Stotts has .357 winning percentage in the playoffs; Stevens is at .507
 
Tince said:
Stotts had to retool in 2015. A team picked to finish (median) 25th in the league. So both Stotts and Stevens have had to retool. Stevens has also had like 5-6 all-stars and another 5 or so lottery picks in that time period. Stevens also has been in a much weaker conference.
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Those All Stars were coming and going. Ainge likes to reshuffle shit all the time.
 
Cugel said:
You can't complain at being 11 games over 500. Look at Boston. Stevens is as good as gone. BUT he is far better than Terry. I am confused.
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Maybe they’re to young and are tuning him out. He might need a more veteran led team like ours. Plus Kemba isn’t the same. I’d sure as hell love to have him over Stotts tho..
 
MickZagger said:
Those All Stars were coming and going. Ainge likes to reshuffle shit all the time.
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I wish we could shuffle in and out multiple all-stars from year to year, would a great problem to have.
 
wizenheimer said:
in the Stotts vs Stevens pissing contest, it is worth noting that Stevens has taken the Celts to 4 straight EC finals while averaging 52 wins a year. He even managed to win some games in the conference finals. He is having a tough time this season as his team is struggling, much like Stotts had last season. Stevens has a .558 winning percentage in the regular season; Stotts has a .515 rate. Stotts has .357 winning percentage in the playoffs; Stevens is at .507
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Comparing coaches in different conferences with rosters of different talent levels is difficult. I would expect the coach with the more talented roster in the weaker conference to have the most success, regardless of their coaching ability.
 
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All that matters is the postseason. No matter what seed we get, if our defense isn't up to snuff and Dame doesn't bail us out 3 or 4 times, first or second round exit.

Hell, at this point, I'd like to just win one (1) conference championship game win. But we have stotts so I highly doubt that happens in his tenure.

Prove me wrong. I'd love it.
 
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