Game Thread GAME# 63: BLAZERS @ HORNETS - MARCH 3, 2019 - SUNDAY, 10:00 AM, NBCSNW

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Would the Blazers be better now if they had kept Batum?

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Shaboid said:
Not a huge fan of Stumptown coffee, but their commercials are fucking hilarious.
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My brother in law runs the warehouse......and my wife and I both hate coffee!
 
kjironman1 said:
Quite possibly the worst stat in all of sports.
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I hate when people use it with no added context. Sometimes it's reflective of what went wrong for a certain player or group of players, but sometimes not. So it always needs an explanation and added context if someone's actually going to try to use it in their argument.

Good Example - Player A was a -13 because he struggled here and here and the offense had less spacing with him on the court so it bogged down.

Bad Example - Player A was a -13. He sucked.
 
BonesJones said:
I hate when people use it with no added context. Sometimes it's reflective of what went wrong for a certain player or group of players, but sometimes not. So it always needs an explanation and added context if someone's actually going to try to use it in their argument.

Good Example - Player A was a -13 because he struggled here and here and the offense had less spacing with him on the court so it bogged down.

Bad Example - Player A was a -13. He sucked.
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I kind of feel that way about almost all stats, especially when grabbing one or two. I think you're right though.
 
We lost to the Heat twice. A team currently behind the Hornets in the East. The Hornets have made some of the most pathetic decision in the draft.
#2 Kidd-Gilchrist ...
#6 B. Biyombo
#7 F. Kaminsky
#9 Kemba Walker is about to leave them to return to NY
#11 Malik Monk
#12 Miles Bridges
#4 Cody Zeller

Then they pay $120 mil to Batum, $50 mil to Marvin Williams

Rich Cho is the architect of this mess. YES. Our own Rich Cho. The guy who replaced Pritchard.
Would you rather have him than Neil O Shay?

B-Roy said:
I'm sorry but that Charlotte team is garbage. MKG is a DNP-CD right now, same with Biyombo on most nights. Kaminsky was this close to getting bought out after Charlotte spent 4 first rounders on him.
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kjironman1 said:
My post says "Veterans who know how to play the game". Doesn't really sound like i am the one who is confused. Nevertheless they are talented. Just not playing well at this point. In My Humble Opinion.
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Talent applies only to current abilities, not what they were able to do many years ago or were projected to do at draft time. That team has very little talent.
 
BonesJones said:
I hate when people use it with no added context. Sometimes it's reflective of what went wrong for a certain player or group of players, but sometimes not. So it always needs an explanation and added context if someone's actually going to try to use it in their argument.

Good Example - Player A was a -13 because he struggled here and here and the offense had less spacing with him on the court so it bogged down.

Bad Example - Player A was a -13. He sucked.
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Exactly. Too many variables.
 
handiman said:
Talent applies only to current abilities, not what they were able to do many years ago or were projected to do at draft time. That team has very little talent.
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Of course talent is current abilities. So are you saying a team that beat Boston, Denver, San Antonio, Detroit, Indiana and Milwaukee doesn't have enough talent to beat a good team on the 6th game of a 7 game road trip on their home court? Seriously? Why are we having this conversation? That team has veteran players that know how to play this game and are very talented. Go read the game thread and read comment after comment from people waiting for Walker to start hitting shots. Watch the game and witness Tony Parker almost single handedly shred the defense. The Blazers won by 10 but it took 27 off the bench from Hood and a DD 26-15 from Nurk not to forget 23 from Lillard and a solid 14 from Aminu to get that win. And don't go all no defense on this. The Blazers held them to 108 points and outrebounded them by 13.

Exactly what point are you trying to make here? Because i'm at a loss to figure it out? That was by no means a "For Sure" win. If you are thinking the Grizz will be a sure thing then you might want to rethink that thought also. And by the way OKC comes up on their first game back. Essentially another road game. Hoping they can continue to play well but that game will be very tough also.
 
I think we now know what the problem with Hood has been: he’s NOT a spot up shooter. He needs the ball to make things happen.
 
I never want to hear about the Kanter and Collins front court wishing for again. We all saw that Zeller and Kaminski destroyed them.
 
Labinot41 said:
I never want to hear about the Kanter and Collins front court wishing for again. We all saw that Zeller and Kaminski destroyed them.
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yes, of course as we all know that one game determines a players ability to play in the NBA.
 
CupWizier said:
yes, of course as we all know that one game determines a players ability to play in the NBA.
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And a pairing of two players cannot get better after they get some experience together. It would be a crime to let them have 5 or even 6 games to work things out.
 
Labinot41 said:
I think we now know what the problem with Hood has been: he’s NOT a spot up shooter. He needs the ball to make things happen.
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Yes and no. You are right that he is better when he is creating for himself, but it's not like he didn't have those opportunities during the stretch when he was missing.
 
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsTheHCP said:
I've never been a fan of the whole +/- way of judging a player. Check out tonight.....CJ was a +20 and Hood a -2.
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+/- for a game is close to useless

but it's a useful gauge for a season once a team has played 30-40 games as long as the missing context of rotation patterns is considered
 
kjironman1 said:
Quite possibly the worst stat in all of sports.
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On a one game basis, yes. On a team that plays two units and doesn't mix the two, yes. Over many game and with a team that mixes players up a lot, I think it tells a valuable story.
(oops, I guess Wizenheimer said pretty much the same thing, in different words.)
 
kjironman1 said:
Exactly what point are you trying to make here? Because i'm at a loss to figure it out?
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It started with you saying, "People saying this win should have been easy were a bit disrespectful of a team that has a number of quality players that are veterans of the league. Walker, Williams, Lamb, Batum, Parker, Kominsky, Kidd-Gilchrist, Biyombo...."

Walker is good but overrated (classic big scorer on a bad team). Marvin Williams has had a long, serviceable career, but has never been nearly as good as his draft expectations. Lamb sucks. Batum is mediocre most days. Parker is a small glimmer of a shadow (is that possible?) of his former self. Kaminsky is pretty much a bust, even though I thought he might be a good role player. MKG was one of the most over-hyped players in any draft, IMO. Hated him then, still do. Biyombo had one good playoff run and has been less than mediocre before and after.

If they beat other teams on occasion, it's because those teams played lousy that night, not because Charlotte has the talent and veteran experience to beat anyone on any night. Their entire division is at least 5 games below .500 ... that's a shitload of easy games and they've still got that bad of a record.
 
Labinot41 said:
I think we now know what the problem with Hood has been: he’s NOT a spot up shooter. He needs the ball to make things happen.
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Right; this is what Bonesjones has been saying. What are the implications of this when Turner is healthy? (and let's not forget we have had this great stretch without Turner). Hood didn't bring the ball up the court usually yesterday, so Turner could do that, but then how is he useful. When Dame or CJ bring the ball up court and pass to Hood, they are out on the three point line as threats, which gives Hood more room. But Turner? I have also said Turner may not work so well with Kanter. If it's true that he is now a really poor fit, will Stotts have the moxie to bench him?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Right; this is what Bonesjones has been saying. What are the implications of this when Turner is healthy? (and let's not forget we have had this great stretch without Turner). Hood didn't bring the ball up the court usually yesterday, so Turner could do that, but then how is he useful. When Dame or CJ bring the ball up court and pass to Hood, they are out on the three point line as threats, which gives Hood more room. But Turner? I have also said Turner may not work so well with Kanter. If it's true that he is now a really poor fit, will Stotts have the moxie to bench him?
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Turner is still better than Curry. I don't know that he's $18M better than Curry, but those are sunk costs, so we might as well player Turner rather than Curry.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How dare you! :smiley-boxing:
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Of all the players mentioned, I didn't expect dissing Lamb to strike a nerve... It is March, though, so the whole "in like a lamb, out like a lion" thing being reversed with the polar spring must have the duck billed one in a defensive mode.
 
handiman said:
Of all the players mentioned, I didn't expect dissing Lamb to strike a nerve... It is March, though, so the whole "in like a lamb, out like a lion" thing being reversed with the polar spring must have the duck billed one in a defensive mode.
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In prior threads a couple months back, I had identified Lamb (multiple times) as a guy I really like, think is highly underrated, and would make an excellent CJ replacement were he to be dealt for upgrades elsewhere. Seeing his name impugned, I HAD to come to his defense.
 
BonesJones said:
Nurkic is now averaging 15.5ppg, 10.1reb, and 3.2 assists on 51.3 FG% (52.8% from 2P) and a TS% over 57%.

Per 36, he has over 20ppg, 13rpg, and 4apg to go along with 2bpg.
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He's 13th in the league in RPM. Leaped Dame for the first time this season. Dame is 15.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In prior threads a couple months back, I had identified Lamb (multiple times) as a guy I really like, think is highly underrated, and would make an excellent CJ replacement were he to be dealt for upgrades elsewhere. Seeing his name impugned, I HAD to come to his defense.
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I don't mind Lamb. He gets to the line more than CJ, is more than twice the rebounder, gets almost the same assists (with lower usage), is similar in overall FG%, not quite as good from '3', and is doing what he does in far fewer minutes. Add in a +5" wingspan and defensively I can't imagine he wouldn't be better.
 
blue9 said:
Turner is still better than Curry. I don't know that he's $18M better than Curry, but those are sunk costs, so we might as well player Turner rather than Curry.
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He may be better, but is he a better fit?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In prior threads a couple months back, I had identified Lamb (multiple times) as a guy I really like, think is highly underrated, and would make an excellent CJ replacement were he to be dealt for upgrades elsewhere. Seeing his name impugned, I HAD to come to his defense.
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He's in that Bill Simmons role of guys so overrated they become underrated.

In other words, he sucks. :D
 
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