Game Thread GAME# 65: KINGS @ BLAZERS - MARCH 7, 2020 - SATURDAY, 7:00, NBCSNW

[kjironman1]

Another season with no accountability... disgusting

50 years and counting. Not sure how you can stand it!

 

[AldoTrapani]

Keep going. You can even triple down on this if you like? Quadruple? Nobody stopping you. Heck you can start a "Trade Lillard" thread if you want.

Kj idk but it’s getting boring

 

[AldoTrapani]

It's a waste of time to talk to these guys Aldo. They so in blind love with Dame that every critism is automaticly hate. You're also not allowed to mention when he plays terrible. Fact is, a Team with Dame and CJ healthy for the most part of the season shouldn't be this bad, we all know the injurys are just an excuse, because Whiteside, even though he was pretty bad the last couple of games, has done a solid job throughout the Season as Nurkic replacement. Collins is never ever the difference between a HCA Team and Lottery Team, and even with Hood healthy the Blazers have been pretty bad. Imo, a team with Lillard as the best player will not win a Championship, Lillard is more like a 1b Star, he needs a real 1a superstar like Kawhi, Lebron, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Davis etc

Nailed it

 

[kjironman1]

Kj idk but it’s getting boring

Look i understand the frustration. But Lillard is absolutely not a "Boring" PG. The team is losing this year. It happens to every team. They will bounce back like they always do.

 

[tlongII]

Now that was a heck of a loss. Blown out immediately at home. You can’t ask for more than that.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Look i understand the frustration. But Lillard is absolutely not a "Boring" PG. The team is losing this year. It happens to every team. They will bounce back like they always do.

Let me offer a theory. People are starting to turn their frustrations on Dame because we are constantly being told we can't blame anybody else. The Olshey/Stotts/CJ defenders are so rabid at times it prevents thoughtful discussion. How does a team go from WCF to out of the play-offs if nobody made any mistakes? They had an entire off-season to plan around Nurk not being available, and Collins and Hood aren't the kind of high impact players whose loss would gut a team.

There is more going on here than injuries - but any attempt to discuss it turns into insults and (faux) outrage. Now some people are turning their frustration on Dame - who is waaaay down the list of responsibility for this mess!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Let me offer a theory. People are starting to turn their frustrations on Dame because we are constantly being told we can't blame anybody else. The Olshey/Stotts/CJ defenders are so rabid at times it prevents thoughtful discussion. How does a team go from WCF to out of the play-offs if nobody made any mistakes? They had an entire off-season to plan around Nurk not being available, and Collins and Hood aren't the kind of high impact players whose loss would gut a team.

There is more going on here than injuries - but any attempt to discuss it turns into insults and (faux) outrage. Now some people are turning their frustration on Dame - who is waaaay down the list of responsibility for this mess!

Literally the only thing I think we can “blame” Dame for is also what is keeping him around. “Loyalty”, he values Loyalty he refuses to say anything bad about Stotts, or the team around him. His loyalty is also what keeps him here though.
However, Im kind of hardest on NO, then the roster (NO), then Stotts and its probably fair to say that all of us, could do better at having conversations without throwing each other at under the bus too.

 

[royo]

Look i understand the frustration. But Lillard is absolutely not a "Boring" PG. The team is losing this year. It happens to every team. They will bounce back like they always do.

I would say that most frustrating thing is this season could be used for something. I don't understand why you keep defending this team. This season could be used to develop ALL youngsters and see where they going, per exmpl. Instead we see heave minutes for our stars with no fuckin reason. We play Melo for no reason at this point. Stotts could use this season to TRY, at least try something new, like fuckin ball movement for example or playing CJ as a 6th man for some stretch. If season is lost, it SHOULD be used to do anything to develop this team. Instead this season is wasted. Nothing more than wasted. People saying Trent is one bright spot and it's fine until you heard he works on his game by himself! And Nurk could be back earlier, but there's noone he can practice with(!).
In all this shit Lillard is chasing playoffs and Olshey is chasing Lotery. Stotts stays between them, but hey, he got paid, who gives a monkey? No Paul Allen, injuries, all got paid? Oh, well, crap.

And that's why it's all called Injury Excuse Propaganda. This season is brutally raped in the basement. There's absolutely nothing good about this season.

And I think, that, yes, Lillard should be traded.

B/c this organization is wasting this man career.

Edit. It's just basketball. But I'm well vented. Good day to all

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I would say that most frustrating thing is this season could be used for something. I don't understand why you keep defending this team. This season could be used to develop ALL youngsters and see where they going, per exmpl. Instead we see heave minutes for our stars with no fuckin reason. We play Melo for no reason at this point. Stotts could use this season to TRY, at least try something new, like fuckin ball movement for example or playing CJ as a 6th man for some stretch. If season is lost, it SHOULD be used to do anything to develop this team. Instead this season is wasted. Nothing more than wasted. People saying Trent is one bright spot and it's fine until you heard he works on his game by himself! And Nurk could be back earlier, but there's noone he can practice with(!).
In all this shit Lillard is chasing playoffs and Olshey is chasing Lotery. Stotts stays between them, but hey, he got paid, who gives a monkey? No Paul Allen, injuries, all got paid? Oh, well, crap.

And that's why it's all called Injury Excuse Propaganda. This season is brutally raped in the basement. There's absolutely nothing good about this season.

And I think, that, yes, Lillard should be traded.

B/c this organization is wasting this man career.

Edit. It's just basketball. But I'm well vented. Good day to all

Glad you got that out, hope you feel better. Not with you on Trading Dame, but I do think you have a point about wasting his career.

 

[wizenheimer]

Let me offer a theory. People are starting to turn their frustrations on Dame because we are constantly being told we can't blame anybody else. The Olshey/Stotts/CJ defenders are so rabid at times it prevents thoughtful discussion. How does a team go from WCF to out of the play-offs if nobody made any mistakes? They had an entire off-season to plan around Nurk not being available, and Collins and Hood aren't the kind of high impact players whose loss would gut a team.

There is more going on here than injuries - but any attempt to discuss it turns into insults and (faux) outrage. Now some people are turning their frustration on Dame - who is waaaay down the list of responsibility for this mess!

yeah, good take...

and there's a couple of guys here acting as their own little two-clown echo chamber telling each other that posters here are holding Dame above criticism; meanwhile, they are the only guys seeing the truth about Lillard. What they are missing is that it isn't people holding Dame above all criticism, it's rather holding him above idiotic criticism. And maybe the most idiotic is the psycho-babble about Dame loafing and Dame not caring..."he got paid, he doesn't give a shit anymore".....

the biggest thing Dame can be blamed for this season is that if he was as bad as those two guys are saying, Portland would have been out of the playoff hunt well before the all-star game, and we would be looking at the Blazers finishing about 6th or 7th in the pre-lottery standings

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

That...doesn't sound like Stotts.

sometimes Stotts does the right thing; he is just a little bit slow about it.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think so as well. Health will be a big part of that. Then get the absolute best Draft pick you can because obvously there is a need for more talent. To help accomplish that, play the hell out of Ant/Trent/Little/Gabriel/Swanigan and even Mario. Stop playing Little at the '4' and give these guys some real run . Let them make mistake and find out what you really might have.

It's not like it would be much worse than the effort the starters gave in the last two games but yet you would be accomplishing so much more for the long run.

and for me at least, it would be more fun to watch.

 

[Dom McBlazer]

Imagine posting this CLOWN SHIT after a loss.

 

[wizenheimer]

Imagine posting this CLOWN SHIT after a loss.

CJ posted that?.....yeeeeeesh

 

[Labinot41]

Let me offer a theory. People are starting to turn their frustrations on Dame because we are constantly being told we can't blame anybody else. The Olshey/Stotts/CJ defenders are so rabid at times it prevents thoughtful discussion. How does a team go from WCF to out of the play-offs if nobody made any mistakes? They had an entire off-season to plan around Nurk not being available, and Collins and Hood aren't the kind of high impact players whose loss would gut a team.

There is more going on here than injuries - but any attempt to discuss it turns into insults and (faux) outrage. Now some people are turning their frustration on Dame - who is waaaay down the list of responsibility for this mess!

Or maybe the frustration is because he talks all the time about making a Playoff push, and post a picture of him and CJ about a push, just to play awful with no energy/motivation and a very bad body language. Then it is completely normal for me to wonder why he gives the fans hope and then plays so shit

 

[Dom McBlazer]

CJ posted that?.....yeeeeeesh

Right from his IG. Cringeworthy for sure.

 

[wizenheimer]

Then it is completely normal for me to wonder why he gives the fans hope and then plays so shit

it's not "normal" for most people, that's for damn sure

according to you > here's an example of "playing like shit":



then he pulled his groin muscle

over 14 games he averaged 38.4 points and 9.7 assists while shooting 45% on three's and leading Portland to a 9-5 record over those 14 games. Even though I doubt you had any "hope", as you say, the only reason you'd have any at all is because of what Dame did. It sure as hell wasn't because of any other Blazer this year

 

[TBpup]

Right from his IG. Cringeworthy for sure.

Not impressive...about on par with his defense.

 

[royo]

Or maybe the frustration is because he talks all the time about making a Playoff push, and post a picture of him and CJ about a push, just to play awful with no energy/motivation and a very bad body language. Then it is completely normal for me to wonder why he gives the fans hope and then plays so shit

Or maybe you forget how he plays when he's healthy. Not the first time he prolly plays hurt. It wouldn't be the first time he's not telling us about his injury.

 

[OneSport3]

Bringing in Melo is all on Olshey. Stotts doesn't have the reputation or stature to hold Melo accountable. If Stotts isn't able to hold CJ accountable, there is no way in hell Melo would acquiesce to Stotts. This is something that Olshey should have known and taken into account when he signed Melo.

Also seems like an agreement was made where Melo would start and play significant minutes. Because at this point, there is no reason Melo should be playing the amount of minutes he currently plays, yet even start.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

50 years and counting. Not sure how you can stand it!

Not 50 years... there has always been accountability until this Neil Olshey era

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Imagine posting this CLOWN SHIT after a loss.

Glad Neil re-signed CJ to $35+ mil contract extension starting at age 29... and he did it a year before he had to!

 

[kjironman1]

Not 50 years... there has always been accountability until this Neil Olshey era

Really?
Like i said to another poster. Just keep em coming. Very entertaining.
Maybe you can double or even triple down on this?

 

[kjironman1]

 

[TBpup]

^^^^^Luke was a BADASS! CJ.....is not.

 

[kjironman1]

I don't understand why you keep defending this team.

Because i have seen the times when you do not defend the Blazers. I remember it vividly. It was a time when absolutely no player was held accountable for anything on or off the court. It lead to 5 straight years of missing the playoffs and a total rebuild numerous times in 3-4 of those years. Not to mention 5 GM's in 6 years and 3 coaches.

I know and have seen when it is time to quit supporting my team. This is not that time.

 

[wizenheimer]

Because i have seen the times when you do not defend the Blazers. I remember it vividly. It was a time when absolutely no player was held accountable for anything on or off the court. It lead to 5 straight years of missing the playoffs and a total rebuild numerous times in 3-4 of those years. Not to mention 5 GM's in 6 years and 3 coaches.

I know and have seen when it is time to quit supporting my team. This is not that time.

without getting in the middle of the fight....

I want to point out that stretch of no-playoffs resulted in a #3, #2, #6, #1, and #11 in a 4 year stretch. That's the kind of lottery stretch that can turn a franchise around. Unfortunately, Portland's payoff for all those top picks was dismal. There's plenty of reasons to support a team adding four top-6 draft picks in 3 years, including a #1 and a #2

 

[BonesJones]

without getting in the middle of the fight....

I want to point out that stretch of no-playoffs resulted in a #3, #2, #6, #1, and #11 in a 4 year stretch. That's the kind of lottery stretch that can turn a franchise around. Unfortunately, Portland's payoff for all those top picks was dismal. There's plenty of reasons to support a team adding four top-6 draft picks in 3 years, including a #1 and a #2

Especially over the 2021 and 2022 drafts.

 

[royo]

Because i have seen the times when you do not defend the Blazers. I remember it vividly. It was a time when absolutely no player was held accountable for anything on or off the court. It lead to 5 straight years of missing the playoffs and a total rebuild numerous times in 3-4 of those years. Not to mention 5 GM's in 6 years and 3 coaches.

I know and have seen when it is time to quit supporting my team. This is not that time.

I don't say one should quit supporting them. I say stop defending people that quite obviously got no idea what they doing, therefore wasting whole season of Lillard's prime just bc they have injury excuse and no P.Allen to kick their buts out of the show. If anything I would say they don't support the team.

 

[kjironman1]

I say stop defending people that quite obviously got no idea what they doing, therefore wasting whole season of Lillard's prime just bc they have injury excuse and no P.Allen to kick their buts out of the show.

First off i personally do not think the people you are referring to "quite obviously got no idea what they are doing". I also don't believe the "Wasting a year of Lillards prime" has any basis of fact at all other than they didn't have a good year. Now as far as "No Paul Allen" goes? How many times have we read the very same posters posts about Paul Allen meddling in the teams functions? How many writers have said he needed to let the team run and quit trying to play GM? How many people blamed the "Vulcans"?
Now if what you are railing for here is a change in ownership? Then i guess we will all see what happens? I hear Dwight Jaynes is gonna speak at the booster club. Maybe you could ask him?

without getting in the middle of the fight....

I want to point out that stretch of no-playoffs resulted in a #3, #2, #6, #1, and #11 in a 4 year stretch. That's the kind of lottery stretch that can turn a franchise around. Unfortunately, Portland's payoff for all those top picks was dismal. There's plenty of reasons to support a team adding four top-6 draft picks in 3 years, including a #1 and a #2

There is no fight here? Just a basic difference of opinion in the way things are viewed.
You point out the draft picks. Yes they got those. But what the post was about was not the draft picks at all. It was a team that nobody wanted to support. If the plan is to tank and get draft picks then so be it. But those changes had nothing to do with "A Plan" the franchise was broken on every level. GM all the way to the rookies it was drafting. For all his faults it took Sarge to bring some stability. Even that was tough because the GM problems were a nightmare.