Game Thread GAME# 67: BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - MARCH 12, 2019 - TUESDAY, 7:30 PM, NBCSNW

[hoopsjock]

So I was correct as it wasn't the max that he was eligible for. It seems you are spinning it to try and justify it as a max contract. If player a is eligible for x million and takes less, then that's not a max contract for player a correct?

I wasn't taking any sides, just stating that it is in fact semantics.

When someone says he has a max contract they are correct. When someone says he took less than he could've they are also correct. That is in fact semantics.

 

[hoopsjock]

It was him dude

No it wasn't. You're believing what you want to believe. Why on Earth would you trust HCP anyway?

 

[CupWizier]

I wasn't taking any sides, just stating that it is in fact semantics.

When someone says he has a max contract they are correct. When someone says he took less than he could've they are also correct. That is in fact semantics.

As we know there are a multitude of max contracts which means they are making the max amount they are eligible for and are based on several variables such as years in the league, meeting required criteria etc. Lillard simply isn't making the max he was eligible for, thus not a max contract.

We will just have to agree to disagree. ​

 

[hoopsjock]

As we know there are a multitude of max contracts which means they are making the max amount they are eligible for and are based on several variables such as years in the league, meeting required criteria etc. Lillard simply isn't making the max he was eligible for, thus not a max contract.

We will just have to agree to disagree. ​

Thus semantics because he is making more than a standard max.

 

[wizenheimer]

The guy has amazing career numbers.. dude is a near 50-40-90 player for example Lillard never even cracked 40% from 3 before

and yet, CJ has never had a season when he topped Dame, in TS% or points/FGA....or PER or FT Rate, or assists, or rebound rate, or winshares, or winshares/48 or box plus/minus, or real plus/minus, or value over replacment. And Dame has done all this while being the primary focus of opposing defenses, night in and night out, and CJ has been drafting off that for those "amazing numbers"

by the way, in terms of FT%, 84% is a long ways from 90%

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Actually you took me out to dinner

Nooooooooooo! Now everyone else is going to want me to take them out to dinner.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Nooooooooooo! Now everyone else is going to want me to take them out to dinner.

Yup!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yup!

So where we going for the Pelicans game friday?​

 

[Orion Bailey]

If only CJ knew Lukrofka was pretending to be him on an internet forum. Dude would get clowned.

I'll echo @BonesJones in saying that I don't believe for a second that CJ legitimately took TPFKAHCP's phone and responded to posts.

@kjironman1 this was the post I was referencing. "obviously know the game" I didn't quote it right in my previous post. I just feel that is a TPFKATHCP line.

I realized it was bogus when every other comment was sir, sir, sir.
That gave it away for me.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That was CJ.

Blurry pics or it didnt happen!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I could also point out, however, that while his overall production has taken an uptick, so has his inconsistency.

There are a few different ways to calculate volatility of performance, and by any measure, his performance since the all-star break has been much more up-and-down than it had been prior. Even using the larger standard deviation generated by looking only at his post-all-star game-logs, his variances from the mean are huge in comparison.

Feast or famine with him lately!

Did you text him and remind him to block me again?

Okay i really laughed at that one.

This is the only thing I hate about this forum.....Sly, you and the other mods always give KingSpeed and a couple other preferential treatment! It makes me sick! Like they have special rules JUST for them, Just because he’s a movie star!

And.. i stopped laughing...

 

[KingSpeed]

No it wasn't. You're believing what you want to believe. Why on Earth would you trust HCP anyway?

No Sly knows. It was CJ.

 

[KingSpeed]

Damn Westbrook taking over

 

[KingSpeed]

Total meltdown by Brooklyn

 

[SIeepwalker]

I realized it was bogus when every other comment was sir, sir, sir.
That gave it away for me.

no, CJ was just done watching Coach Carter so he might have been a little influenced

 

[CupWizier]

Thus semantics because he is making more than a standard max.

Let's try it this way. You're a sharp guy when it comes to the CBA and contracts. Can you tell me what the max contract each of the players listed below would be allowed by the cba.

Player A: 5th year player drafted 5th, and met all the goals for a Derrick Rose rule contract.

Player B: 5th year player drafted 6th and doesn't meet the Rose rule.

Player C: drafted 31st and signed a 2 year contract for 5 mil first year with max raise for 2nd year.

Just a rough amount is good.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let's try it this way. You're a sharp guy when it comes to the CBA and contracts. Can you tell me what the max contract each of the players listed below would be allowed by the cba.

Player A: 5th year player drafted 5th, and met all the goals for a Derrick Rose rule contract.

Player B: 5th year player drafted 6th and doesn't meet the Rose rule.

Player C: drafted 31st and signed a 2 year contract for 5 mil first year with max raise for 2nd year.

Just a rough amount is good.

Cup, I told you already that both sides are right. Your exercise really doesn't do anything to prove one side of the story or the other.

Take these two statements:
Dame is on a max contract.

Dame took less than than amount beyond the max that he qualified for.

Both statements are indeed factually correct. So for the 4th time it is indeed semantics whether he is on a max contract or not.

 

[CupWizier]

Cup, I told you already that both sides are right. Your exercise really doesn't do anything to prove one side of the story or the other.

Take these two statements:
Dame is on a max contract.

Dame took less than than amount beyond the max that he qualified for.

Both statements are indeed factually correct. So for the 4th time it is indeed semantics whether he is on a max contract or not.

Well, we will have to disagree. You think a player can have multiple max amounts while i see only one max amount for every player.

 

[hoopsjock]

Well, we will have to disagree. You think a player can have multiple max amounts while i see only one max amount for every player.

So you're saying it's a matter of semantics? LMAO

 

[illmatic99]

Actually, it is semantics. A max contract is 25%. Dame got 27.5%. So technically his contract is MORE than a max contract but also LESS than the extra 5% he could've gotten.

dont feed the troll

 

[CupWizier]

So you're saying it's a matter of semantics? LMAO

No, i am saying it's impossible to be ELIGIBLE for 2 different max contracts. In other words i am saying you're incorrect. rotflmao

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw1YRU7Uem_qepgLIT8r1mEI&ust=1552618456438618

Interesting article on max contracts and they talk extensively about Dame.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Another ESPN article calls it the max.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-120-million-extension-portland-trail-blazers

 

[CupWizier]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjpsufN0IDhAhXPIzQIHRTaBpwQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/25/nba-players-max-contracts/&psig=AOvVaw1YRU7Uem_qepgLIT8r1mEI&ust=1552618456438618

Interesting article on max contracts and they talk extensively about Dame.

That was the article that i had read awhile back regarding max contracts. I was under the impression Lillard had signed a max contract before i read it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That was the article that i had read awhile back regarding max contracts. I was under the impression Lillard had signed a max contract before i read it.

It kind of sounds like he did but he declined the part about if he became eligible for the 30% max he wouldnt take it? So if Im reading that right he got the Max he could get for part of the contract, but now he’s not getting what he technically could get?

 

[hoopsjock]

No, i am saying it's impossible to be ELIGIBLE for 2 different max contracts. In other words i am saying you're incorrect. rotflmao

Okay, you couldn't just accept the fact it depends on your perspective. So now I'm forced to drop a Meyers Leonard hammer on your post:

Dame signed his extension in 2015, after his 3rd season. At the time he signed it it was for the max. Here is the key part, HE WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE YET FOR MORE THAN THE MAX AT THE TIME OF THE SIGNING. It was only when he made an All-NBA team that following season that he became eligible to get MORE than the max.

So he did indeed sign a max contract. He does indeed play on a max contract. What you are referring to is beyond a max contract which is referred to as a super max. When he qualified for the extra 5% he chose that summer to only take 2.5% to maximize cap space.

Max contract, yes.

Full super max, no.

Mic drop.

 

[CupWizier]

It kind of sounds like he did but he declined the part about if he became eligible for the 30% max he wouldnt take it? So if Im reading that right he got the Max he could get for part of the contract, but now he’s not getting what he technically could get?

That's because at the time he didn't know if he would be eligible for 30% but agreed to take only 25% ( another site says 27.5%). He could of had the contract written to take the max though. Now if he didn't meet the Rose rule then i would agree at 25%, he was a max contract.

 

[CupWizier]

Okay, you couldn't just accept the fact it depends on your perspective. So now I'm forced to drop a Meyers Leonard hammer on your post:

Dame signed his extension in 2015, before his 3rd season. At the time he signed it it was for the max. Here is the key part, HE WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE YET FOR MORE THAN THE MAX AT THE TIME OF THE SIGNING. It was only when he made an All-NBA team that following season that he became eligible to get MORE than the max.

So he did indeed sign a max contract. He does indeed play on a max contract. What you are referring to is beyond a max contract which is referred to as a super max. When he qualified for the extra 5% he chose that summer to only take 2.5% to maximize cap space.

Max contract, yes.

Full super max, no.

Mic drop.

pick the mic back up. It was prematurely tossed. Lillard had the option to write into the contract that he would only accept the max amount he was eligible for but he agreed not to take the max if it was 30%. In other words, less than he could have. Also Lillard could only sign the extension after his 3rd year, not his second. Ooops.

Ok, time to excuse myself from this Have a nice night.

 

[THE HCP]

So you're saying he is a MAX player?

 

[THE HCP]

God damn, he derailed yet another thread arguing with people about bullshit. I have this dude on ignore and he still finds a way to annoy the hell out of me. Wish people would stop taking the bait and maybe he would just go away back to that hole he crawled out of

FAMS I thought we were cool! You have me on IGNORE too!!?!?!??