Game Thread GAME# 7: BLAZERS @ WARRIORS - NOVEMBER 4, 2019 - MONDAY, 7:30 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

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What should the Blazers do to address their sudden lack of bigs?


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One of things that I have noticed are Baze and Herzonja don't play within themselves the way Mo and Chief did. Like they don't quite seem to understand they are role players or what their roles are and they try to do too much, particularly with the dribbling and the passing.

Another is body language. Mostly the new guys. Whereas our guys last year seemed to, I don't know, have a pride and a quiet confidence, these guys seem almost aloof, cocky, detached. Maybe that's unfair to say, because I can't read their minds, but they just don't look as engaged as the guys the last couple of years. You know, like maybe they feel like fill-ins or something, not really as committed to the organization or the city as the other guys we had here.

And it even looks to me like Dame is frustrated. Again, it could be just me. But facial expressions, body language. I don't know. It just feels off.

Yup. But not only that, they are simply worse players.

Average of advanced stats BPM / RPM for that past 3 seasons.
Aminu +1.0
Harkless +0.8
Bazemore -0.8
Hood -2.0
Hezonja -3.7

Each +1 point translates about 1.5 wins per season over an average player. So Amin & Harkless +3 wins. BHH -8 wins.
 
But I don't see how anyone can look at last year's rotation for the first 55 games last year man for man and make any reasonable argument that it's more talented that this year's, going off of actual performance heading into this season.

because the season didn't end at 55 games. It was 98 games long and the games that really mattered were in the last 45, not the first 50. Kanter was around for those games. He was talent on last year's team
I’ll be honest, I’m not sure Mario/Tolliver/Baze/Whiteside

is better than

Hark/Chief/ET/Kanter/Nards/Curry

it might be lateral with less chemistry at best. The Zach injury is huge.

it's not better (even when you add Gasol and Little). It might not be worse, but it's not better. And as you said, chemistry is an issue. Aminu & Harkless spent 4 years playing in Portland. Meyers spent 7. Turner 3. They were all flawed players, just like the new ones, but multiple seasons playing with Dame/CJ in the Stotts offense builds chemistry. This year's unit has a real steep hill to climb to reach anywhere close to the synergy last year's team had

and any discussion about talent has to include the absence of Nurkic.
 
because the season didn't end at 55 games. It was 98 games long and the games that really mattered were in the last 45, not the first 50. Kanter was around for those games. He was talent on last year's team


it's not better (even when you add Gasol and Little). It might not be worse, but it's not better. And as you said, chemistry is an issue. Aminu & Harkless spent 4 years playing in Portland. Meyers spent 7. Turner 3. They were all flawed players, just like the new ones, but multiple seasons playing with Dame/CJ in the Stotts offense builds chemistry. This year's unit has a real steep hill to climb to reach anywhere close to the synergy last year's team had

and any discussion about talent has to include the absence of Nurkic.

And the loss of Collins.
 
because the season didn't end at 55 games. It was 98 games long and the games that really mattered were in the last 45, not the first 50.

I don't think this was intended, but this point might be the most valuable to those who are melting down 7 games in: It's probably far too early to come up with conclusions at this point, myself included.
 
The question is:

Was this game entertaining? :)
 
Got back from the game, what a ride.

Chase Center is amazing. Of course, it's brand new, but there were a ton of empty seats. Understandable, but the arena is genuinely miles better than Oracle.

Unfortunately, that was the highlight of my experience. The Blazers came out with no effort and basically expecting the Warriors to roll over. That got settled quick.

Some observations:

Dame played really well offensively. Defensively, he mailed it in. He basically wasn't trying on defense in the first three quarters. Despite that, he's the only guy that I could say played well overall.

Hassan Whiteside is not the problem, but he's definitely not the answer. Put him in any sort of movement on defense and he's like a fish out of water. He never gets back in transition. When he only has to stay in one position to defend a shot he's quite good. But my main problem is that the Blazers look so bad offensively when he's in the game. Particularly Dame just looks like he's struggling to get to his spots. Hassan is such a slow roller and Dame is so explosive the combination doesn't seem to work. Interestingly enough, the CJ/Whiteside pick and roll looked good a few times, maybe because both guys move at the same slow pace. Might try to exploit that bit more. Really though, Hassan is a backup center on a championship team....

Speaking of CJ, what the fuck is going on? My friend, who doesn't really watch the Blazers basically said during the game "I never knew CJ was such a ballhog". The Warriors treated him like Dame and blitzed him with two guys all night. Seems teams are now actively taking away his midrange jumper, and CJ is responding by making awful attempts at the rim and jacking up contested 3s. Good god.

This Warriors G-League team passes better than us. Why does our team never pass the ball? In the 4th quarter when the Blazers were playing full court press the Warriors group broke the pressure with no problem. Watching the Blazers try to break full court press is an exercise in trying not to gouge your eyes out.

The irony with Stotts's offense is that he empowers guys to be creators, but doesn't put them in position to do so. For better or worse this is what we're stuck with. There's no point firing him now as there's no way someone can come in and install a new offense/defense in the middle of the season.
What? Were you not entertained? Its just one game :D
 
I understand you don't want to answer the simple yes or no question of if you think Hood and Tolliver (our starting forwards) are quality starting NBA forwards. I'll assume your non-answer means we agree that no, they are not.
Hood has been good this season other than struggling tonight. I definitely think he's a starter level player on this team.

Tolliver should be a situational 3 point specialist at this point in his career, definitely not starter quality.
 
"People aren't gonna want to watch your postgame stream if you criticize coaching"

1.5K viewers for POR vs. PHI postgame.
1K viewers already on tonight postgame stream.

:dunno:
 
A hacked up team beat us!!!! Stotts should be in shame.
 
Especially with NBA refs betting on those bets and gifting 36 free throws to our 14 lol.

The refs have nothing to do with us losing that game. Everybody playing like shit outside of Dame have
 
Popovitch invited our stars to team USA, they declined to prepare for the NBA. NBA season is upon us, they ain't ready. what were they doing?
 
until our D improves, there is no point bothering with this team
 
We'll be fine. Ran into a special performance by Paschall. Not much we could've done when he's 0/8 from three coming into the game and then drops 4 on us in this game. We will be fine. Warriors hadn't won at home yet. They were bound to get one. Yes we are 3-4 but we haven't had a bunch of home games against crappy teams yet and that is how you build a record. Too early to panic.
Interesting note here?
Kingspeed is now the voice of reason.
 
Upgrade from the worst starting forward combo in the league, I don't disagree. My question continues to be, are our starting forwards high quality starting NBA forwards? People really don't want to answer this question for some reason.

When you roll out two substandard starting forwards, you make your entire team susceptible to nights like tonight.
But it's kind of a shady question and it has already been answered. Hood and Collins are the Blazers "Starting Forwards" and yes those two players are high quality but have only really played 5 games starting together. (4 1/2 if you are counting) Another thing here. Jusuf Nurkic is the starting Center. Until he is playing you won't truly know what this roster can do. All summer people talked about how valuable Whiteside will be when he and Nurkic are both playing. We have yet to see this roster play. Talk about how talented it is, is a bit premature. In my opinion.
 
I think it's pretty clear we will suck with this roster and the injuries to Collins and nurk. Time to tank.
 
Had a friend in town last night so I wasn't able to watch the game. Woke up to the score on my phone and almost threw it across my bedroom. WTF?! How did we lose this?
 
Had a friend in town last night so I wasn't able to watch the game. Woke up to the score on my phone and almost threw it across my bedroom. WTF?! How did we lose this?

CJ McCollum
 
The refs have nothing to do with us losing that game. Everybody playing like shit outside of Dame have

I disagree completely with this. The refs definitely impacted the game last night. It was still a disgusting loss though. Stotts didn't have the team ready to play.
 

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