Game Thread GAME# 70: BUCKS @ BLAZERS - MARCH 21, 2017 - TUESDAY, 7:00 PM (PST), CSNNW

[42N8Bounce]

FiveThirtyEight.com has the Blazers favored by 4.5 pts over the Bucks. With the week we've had, I'm not surprised. Nice to see.

 

[e_blazer]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

Sure. Because no coach has thought of throwing a trap at him since the All-Star break.

 

[THE HCP]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

So you're saying Dame struggles in the playoffs? Interesting. I've seen him light some teams up in the post season. Wonder what game you were watching.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

You misspelled Lowry. It's L-O-W-R-Y, not L-I-L-L-I-A-R-D.

But, other than that, your right, he's totally feast or famine.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

I'd start Layman and let him try to keep up with Ant...... then bring in Mo or Chief to keep the pressure on.

 

[riverman]

Finally we're playing a team I like to watch.....going to be a tough one but Nurk should be able to own the paint all night

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'd start Layman and let him try to keep up with Ant...... then bring in Mo or Chief to keep the pressure on.

So in that scenario who is Jake replacing in the starting lineup? I am really anxious to see if Vonleh can stay with Ant. In the open court....no one his size can. But in the half court I think Noah can. Regardless I want to see him try.

Glad ET is back because we will need him to help with Middleton/ Snell. Mo can start on Middleton and then yes also help guard Ant, along with Aminu.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is one game I might switch the starting lineup a bit. Vonleh has been playing well but guarding Giannis is just not a good match up and I think Aminu would be better in this case with Vonleh coming off the bench. Hope Noah doesn't get in early foul trouble.

Nah, no need to mix things up. Start Vonleh. He seems to get most of his points early. If he does get in foul trouble, just play Aminu a few more minutes. It's not like Vonleh fouling out is going to cost us the game. He barely plays in the 4th quarter anyway.

BNM

 

[Elton]

Nurkic will most certainly feast upon Thon Maker, but especially if he were to speak Merlin's Charm of Making.


In English:
Serpent's breath, charm of death and life, thy omen of making.

anál nathrach = breath of serpent
orth’ bháis ’s bethad = spell of death and of life
do chél dénmha = thy omen of making

 

[BonesJones]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop pretending like you do.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop pretending like you do.

Or he does and you don't? Either way we all need to be more tolerant of peoples opinions

 

[BigGameDamian]

Half man, Half amazing!

 

[theprunetang]

anál nathrach

Something I never want to experience.

 

[BonesJones]

Or he does and you don't? Either way we all need to be more tolerant of peoples opinions

He's literally saying that all defenses have to do is stop Lillard is trap him on pick n rolls because he can't create off the dribble.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He's literally saying that all defenses have to do is stop Lillard is trap him on pick n rolls because he can't create off the dribble.

If they trap him properly , he would be correct

 

[H.C.]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

So i'm starting to think this guy is @Denny Crane

 

[BonesJones]

If they trap him properly , he would be correct

Haha so you really think Lillard can't create off the dribble or split a pick n roll huh?

 

[H.C.]

If they trap him properly , he would be correct

If any player in the NBA gets trapped properly he would be correct.
He's also correct in saying screens are the main tool NBA players use to free themselves up. The pick and roll is ran how often in today's NBA?
The only thing that a player without a dribble, who is trapped at the three point line has to do is pass out of it.
Porland fan's have seen time and time and time and time and time again Lillard beating the trap with a pass.
OKC used to do it all the time, Clippers did it the whole series last year, GSW as well.
Hell Skip Bayless criticized Lillard during the GSW series last year over Twitter & First Take over Lillard being "Too much like LBJ".
Lillard responded with "How many times did I make the correct basketball play by passing, and allowing the team to play 4 on 3".
Skip - "Well I just wish you were more aggressive and shot. It's not criticism, I just want to see you shoot".

 

[BosnianChampion]

Haha so you really think Lillard can't create off the dribble or split a pick n roll huh?

If one of the double team is a big center Dame can't move without getting in trouble. It's not guaranteed but before Jusuf came along opponents always tried to double team off of Leonard or Plumlee. It worked more than it didn't. I think it won't work as well with a Jusuf pick knocking defenders over and his roll being almost unstoppable!

A perfect pick and roll is when both players on offense require a double team. Then what does the opponent do? Next perfect is when the bigger guy is tougher to stop. You can't double off of the big guy, so a switch is the best you can do. Less effective is when the little guy is better. Here the big guy must set good picks or you double the little guy and make the big guy beat you. Not effective at all is gimmick big guy or no offense big guy and scoring little guy.

Until Jusuf, we were not effective. Now we are less effective but hopefully next best soon!

 

[H.C.]

If one of the double team is a big center Dame can't move without getting in trouble. It's not guaranteed but before Jusuf came along opponents always tried to double team off of Leonard or Plumlee. It worked more than it didn't. I think it won't work as well with a Jusuf pick knocking defenders over and his roll being almost unstoppable!

......
I think I'm going to be done for the night. the forum is full of trolls atm.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Haha so you really think Lillard can't create off the dribble or split a pick n roll huh?

Not what we were talking about, but we can talk about that next. We are talking about being trapped. You are talking about splitting pick and rolls and creating off the dribble

 

[BosnianChampion]

......
I think I'm going to be done for the night. the forum is full of trolls atm.

I'm sorry! I promise I'm not a troll. I think Dame is great but he can't split every double team out there, especially if the screen he gets is weak crap... that doesn't happen now!

 

[Mediocre Man]

If any player in the NBA gets trapped properly he would be correct.
He's also correct in saying screens are the main tool NBA players use to free themselves up. The pick and roll is ran how often in today's NBA?
The only thing that a player without a dribble, who is trapped at the three point line has to do is pass out of it.
Porland fan's have seen time and time and time and time and time again Lillard beating the trap with a pass.
OKC used to do it all the time, Clippers did it the whole series last year, GSW as well.
Hell Skip Bayless criticized Lillard during the GSW series last year over Twitter & First Take over Lillard being "Too much like LBJ".
Lillard responded with "How many times did I make the correct basketball play by passing, and allowing the team to play 4 on 3".
Skip - "Well I just wish you were more aggressive and shot. It's not criticism, I just want to see you shoot".

Yes, all correct

 

[BrianFromWA]

That's the problem with Lillard, when it comes playoffs time teams know they have to trap him out of the pick&roll and when they do it Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up

Except now he has a 7'1 roller to chuck it up to, who's smart enough to pass it off if the interior D crashes on him...

 

[BosnianChampion]

Except now he has a 7'1 roller to chuck it up to, who's smart enough to pass it off if the interior D crashes on him...

And his picks are HARD while being legal! More space for Dame when that happens. Defenders could slip around Plumlee and ignore him because he couldn't stop them like a Jusuf.

 

[BonesJones]

Not what we were talking about, but we can talk about that next. We are talking about being trapped. You are talking about splitting pick and rolls and creating off the dribble

Trapping a pick n roll means the guard goes over and the big man hedges. It turns into a trap when both stay on Dame.

That exact situation is when you split the pick n roll, which he is very good at. Therefore, how is he neutralized by trapping the pick n roll?

 

[BonesJones]

Not what we were talking about, but we can talk about that next. We are talking about being trapped. You are talking about splitting pick and rolls and creating off the dribble

He also said "Lillard is nearly neutralized because he doesn't have CJ's ball handling and screens are the main tool he uses to free himself up".

This suggests that Lillard isn't good at creating off the dribble and isn't get at creating space (freeing up) space for his shot. In reality, he's one of the best at this.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Trapping a pick n roll means the guard goes over and the big man hedges. It turns into a trap when both stay on Dame.

That exact situation is when you split the pick n roll, which he is very good at. Therefore, how is he neutralized by trapping the pick n roll?

Thanks for the coaching lesson

 

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