Game Thread: Denver @ PDX 7:30

[RoyToy]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2009/10/wednesday_practice.html

The first 30 secs of that video explains why the Blazers are a little boring to watch at times.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

At least this loss provided some really great signature material.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd be fine with a three guard rotation...Roy/Miller/Fernandez. No Blake or Bayless except in garbage time unless Bayless somehow proves himself in practice.

Blake isn't terrible, but I really can't see any of his minutes justified over Roy, Miller or Fernandez.

 

[rocketeer]

I'd be fine with a three guard lineup...Roy/Miller/Fernandez. No Blake or Bayless except in garbage time unless Bayless somehow proves himself in practice.

Blake isn't terrible, but I really can't see any of his minutes justified over Roy, Miller or Fernandez.

i just don't see miller's use at the end of games if roy is going to have the ball in his hands. teams will just help on roy off of miller because they don't respect his jump shot(and for good reason). miller isn't a good defender or jump shooter so what does he bring to the table in end game situations when he won't have the ball?

 

[Tince]

i just don't see miller's use at the end of games if roy is going to have the ball in his hands. teams will just help on roy off of miller because they don't respect his jump shot(and for good reason). miller isn't a good defender or jump shooter so what does he bring to the table in end game situations when he won't have the ball?

Interesting point, and I'm not sure I disagree with you.

Would you rather Miller be on the bench, or we put the ball in Millers hand and work Roy off the ball?

 

[hasoos]

Tough game, playoff type atmosphere. The Blazers just aren't at a high level of play yet. I really questioned the substitution patterns in the 4th, and was not happy they went away from Rudy when he is hot. If there is one thing that drives me mad about Nate is that he will go away from a guy when he is hot, when most of the elite level coaches will make you show you can stop the hot hand before changing things up.

 

[illmatic99]

Tough game, playoff type atmosphere. The Blazers just aren't at a high level of play yet. I really questioned the substitution patterns in the 4th, and was not happy they went away from Rudy when he is hot. If there is one thing that drives me mad about Nate is that he will go away from a guy when he is hot, when most of the elite level coaches will make you show you can stop the hot hand before changing things up.

It happened in the first half as well. I remember making note of it in this thread.

 

[KingSpeed]

Well it looks like KP is playing it just right then.

Outlaw helped us win one game and helped us lose another. Hang on to him KP, he is another J. Oneal. (mild sarcasm)

Outlaw played great. He went like 0-4 on one possession. But we scored on that possession thanks to his hustle.

 

[KingSpeed]

Question: Why did Andre Miller take 3 three point shots? Anyone?

 

[rocketeer]

Interesting point, and I'm not sure I disagree with you.

Would you rather Miller be on the bench, or we put the ball in Millers hand and work Roy off the ball?

miller on the bench with rudy and roy out there with one of blake, webster, or outlaw on the floor too(basically depending on who is hot that night or a better matchup defensively).

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Tough game, playoff type atmosphere. The Blazers just aren't at a high level of play yet. I really questioned the substitution patterns in the 4th, and was not happy they went away from Rudy when he is hot. If there is one thing that drives me mad about Nate is that he will go away from a guy when he is hot, when most of the elite level coaches will make you show you can stop the hot hand before changing things up.

They brought Anthony back in after Rudy abused the rookie guarding him, which meant a much better defender was guarding Rudy. Rudy did get the ball a few more times, but wasn't nearly as open as he was before, so he'd pass it on.

 

[rocketeer]

Question: Why did Andre Miller take 3 three point shots? Anyone?

because they left him wide open.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

Tough game, playoff type atmosphere. The Blazers just aren't at a high level of play yet. I really questioned the substitution patterns in the 4th, and was not happy they went away from Rudy when he is hot. If there is one thing that drives me mad about Nate is that he will go away from a guy when he is hot, when most of the elite level coaches will make you show you can stop the hot hand before changing things up.

And that's what happened...when Ty Lawson came out, Rudy cooled off...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Question: Why did Andre Miller take 3 three point shots? Anyone?

One was end of first quarter, and the other two were end of shot clock, iirc. Consider it Sergio syndrome.

 

[hasoos]

I'd be fine with a three guard rotation...Roy/Miller/Fernandez. No Blake or Bayless except in garbage time unless Bayless somehow proves himself in practice.

Blake isn't terrible, but I really can't see any of his minutes justified over Roy, Miller or Fernandez.

I have been saying that for a long time. The best way to give your team the best chance to win is to play the best players for the longest minutes, and keep the talented ones happy with their playing time. When Portland went big tonight, it actually worked pretty frackin well. But we rarely see it. I would be happy with Roy and Rudy getting most of the minutes, and the bulk of the shots for that matter.

 

[Tince]

because they left him wide open.

One was at the end of the 1st quarter and another when the shot clock was running down.

 

[Minstrel]

i just don't see miller's use at the end of games if roy is going to have the ball in his hands. teams will just help on roy off of miller because they don't respect his jump shot(and for good reason). miller isn't a good defender or jump shooter so what does he bring to the table in end game situations when he won't have the ball?

I'd rather have the ball in Miller's hands and Roy usually taking the shot. Roy doesn't have to handle to shoot the ball and I'm not sure it's optimal to have him do both. Tonight, he ran into trouble trying to control the ball to the end before taking the shot and had to make a desperation dump-off, and that's happened before. I wouldn't mind having Miller set things up, penetrate and then kick to the best option...which is Roy most of the time, but a wide-open Rudy or Outlaw would be better than Roy being blanketed.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

One was end of first quarter, and the other two were end of shot clock, iirc. Consider it Sergio syndrome.

I don't think they were end of shot clock, but he was WIDE open and had to take them.

 

[Tince]

And that's what happened...when Ty Lawson came out, Rudy cooled off...

Educated observation. Karl was very slow to adjust, but finally he made a substitution to cool Rudy off and it worked.

 

[KingSpeed]

because they left him wide open.

Exactly. Miller is a liability out there and his man can leave him to double, or triple, Roy.

Our point guards suck. Patty Mills- get well soon.

 

[hasoos]

Educated observation. Karl was very slow to adjust, but finally he made a substitution to cool Rudy off and it worked.

Yea, the move was to have Nate quit going to Rudy when it was working fine. There was no reason to quite going to Rudy, he was still getting foul calls even when he wasn't hittin buckets. The flat out fact is, they just quit going to him, and then they put in Blake for that disasterous couple of minutes.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Yea, the move was to have Nate quit going to Rudy when it was working fine. There was no reason to quite going to Rudy, he was still getting foul calls even when he wasn't hittin buckets. The flat out fact is, they just quit going to him, and then they put in Blake for that disasterous couple of minutes.

Blake was pretty bad, indeed. But Rudy was getting touches. He was just not open enough to do anything with them, so he'd pass back to Roy, who was getting to the line like none other.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Antonio Harvey just said Denver should be afraid of us when we meet them next. haha.

Will somebody fire that idiot! After a loss like this, that kind of shite is not the least bit amusing.

 

[Tince]

Yea, the move was to have Nate quit going to Rudy when it was working fine. There was no reason to quite going to Rudy, he was still getting foul calls even when he wasn't hittin buckets. The flat out fact is, they just quit going to him, and then they put in Blake for that disasterous couple of minutes.

At what minute mark did the quit going to him?

The last 4 minutes of the game was a FT shooting contest.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Will somebody fire that idiot! After a loss like this, that kind of shite is not the least bit amusing.

Apparently I've already repped you too much. But I tried.

 

[Tince]

Blake was pretty bad, indeed. But Rudy was getting touches. He was just not open enough to do anything with them, so he'd pass back to Roy, who was getting to the line like none other.

Bingo! That's the fact.

Rudy appeared to have a lot more confidence going against Lawson.

 

[alex42083]

Blake was pretty bad, indeed.

Blake: 0 points, 0-3 FG, 0-2 3PT, 0 rebs, 1 TO, 3 asts, 1 steal, 20 mins. Yuck.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Apparently I've already repped you too much. But I tried.

It's the thought that counts!

 

[roywonder07]

Hehe, Mike Barrett also would rather have 26 turnovers and a win then 7 turnovers and a lost

 

[rocketeer]

I'd rather have the ball in Miller's hands and Roy usually taking the shot. Roy doesn't have to handle to shoot the ball and I'm not sure it's optimal to have him do both. Tonight, he ran into trouble trying to control the ball to the end before taking the shot and had to make a desperation dump-off, and that's happened before. I wouldn't mind having Miller set things up, penetrate and then kick to the best option...which is Roy most of the time, but a wide-open Rudy or Outlaw would be better than Roy being blanketed.

but it's a lot easier to keep a guy from beating you when he's off the ball. ball denial is much easier than stopping roy with the ball.

i think in end game and late game situations, the ball absolutely should be in roy's hands. that doesn't mean he always need to take the shot. i agree that rudy or outlaw(or webster or blake) left open is better than roy taking a contested shot.

i mean, what happens when the team just plays off of miller and denies his penetration? do you have faith in a long jumper from miller to win the game? i don't.