| Game Thread | Portland @ Toronto

[jlprk]

Would we have heard of any of those players, had they begun their careers under McMillan?

 

[Klinky]

Doesn't this actually prove that Nate's coaching allowed Sergio to flourish during his rookie season, and then Sergio regressed from that year to the point that a PG-friendly coach like Mike D 'Antoni couldn't even salvage him as an NBA back-up?

From what I remember back then, Nate had a Jarret Jack fetish and Sergio got jerked around a lot. Jack could step on the sideline out of bounds or barrel into his defender and he'd stay in the game, while if Sergio turned it over he was yanked rather quickly. Patty Mills is getting more consistent burn than Sergio did.

That being said, it does not appear in retrospect that Sergio was all that great, however I do think some of that might rest on how he was used. He just is not a Nate style player & I think he suffered for it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That being said, it does not appear now in retrospect that Sergio wasn't all that great, however I do think someone of that might rest on how he was used. He just is not a Nate style player & I think he suffered for it.

Yeah, cause we all saw how he excelled in D'Antoni's fast paced, no defense system. His 12.8 PER as a Knick earned him a ticket right back to Europe where he belongs. Some people on this forum had unrealistic hall of fame expectations for a guy with NBDL talent.

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How is Sergio doing this year back in Spain?

 

[andalusian]

How is Sergio doing this year back in Spain?

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041483332/1330008770997/jugador/Jugador/Rodriguez.htm

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041483332/1330008770997/jugador/Jugador/Rodriguez.htm

Wow, not very impressive at all. You'd think he'd be putting up better numbers.

Thanks for the link!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Wow, not very impressive at all. You'd think he'd be putting up better numbers.

Thanks for the link!

He is what we thought he was. In all fairness, he did play well in the three game Copa del Ray tournament, but in the longer ACB and Euroleague seasons he was basically a 6 PPG, 3 APG back-up PG getting about 18 - 20 MPG off the bench.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Real Madrid is currently rated the 2nd-best team in Europe. The 3 point guards are Rodriguez and

Pablo Prigioni, age 33 from Argentina, was named the best point guard in the ACB League last season.

Sergio Llull, the 34th NBA pick in 2009.

Sergio Rodriguez gets 1.56 times as many assists per minute as Llull, and 1.65 times Prigioni.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...oleague/teams/11/real_madrid/stats/18/ast-1-3

Rodriguez ranges 8th to 10th in the Euroleague in assists per minute.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/eurobasketball/euroleague/players/stats/11/ast-1-0-3

PG minutes..percent..player

269 52% Rodriguez
172 33% Prigioni - missed 5 of 13 games
079 15% Llull - starts at SG and also plays PG
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520 total - 13 games times 40 minutes

Sergio Rodriguez PER
14.1 2006-07 Portland
09.0 2007-08 Portland
12.5 2008-09 Portland
16.9 2009-10 Sacramento
12.8 2009-10 New York

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodrise01.html

 

[jlprk]

Sergio haters say, 2 teams after the Blazers dumped him. Well, the Knicks didn't--he could have stayed with them. He lasted from 6/25/09 to 2/18/10 (played 39 of 54 games) with the Kings. This is their proof that Sergio sucks.

Bayless lasted from 10/23/10 to 11/20/10 (played 11 of 11 games) with the Hornets.

Sergio lasted multiple times longer than Bayless. Following their logic, this proves that Sergio is better than Bayless.

You're making this way too complicated. Watching him play is all anyone needs as proof that Sergio sucks.

Yeah, cause we all saw how he excelled in D'Antoni's fast paced, no defense system. His 12.8 PER as a Knick earned him a ticket right back to Europe where he belongs. Some people on this forum had unrealistic hall of fame expectations for a guy with NBDL talent.

You just did it again. You used his brevity with an NBA team as a major reason. As I said, the same faulty logic could be used to show that Sergio is better than Bayless.

You are conveniently selective in which PER you quote for Sergio, and which part of that season you use. See the PERS in the preceding post. He played for two bad teams, and I guess you accidentally overlooked the higher PER over 16, which lasted many more games than the lower PER you quoted.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You just did it again. You used his brevity with an NBA team as a major reason. As I said, the same faulty logic could be used to show that Sergio is better than Bayless.

You are conveniently selective in which PER you quote for Sergio, and which part of that season you use. See the PERS in the preceding post. He played for two bad teams, and I guess you accidentally overlooked the higher PER over 16, which lasted many more games than the lower PER you quoted.

I didn't conveniently overlook anything. What you conveniently "overlooked" is while he played fewer games with the Knicks, he actually played more minutes for New York. Therefore, his time with the Knicks represents a larger sample size than his time with the Kings. Also, with the Kings all his minutes were garbage time. He was the third string PG on a very bad team. His "great" performance with Sacramento was largely against other end of the bench worthless scrubs. All hail Sergio, King of the Scrubs! In NY, they GAVE him the starting PG role. Playing against top level competition he sucked so bad he was quickly demoted back to the bench and then out of the league where he belongs.

Face it, the guy sucks. If he didn't he would still be playing in the NBA, not getting 18 - 20 MPG as the 2nd/3rd string PG on some European team.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Now THAT was a wasted post. You're making this too easy.

You keep saying Sacramento was SO crappy, so his PER there should be discounted and the New York PER favored. Looking it up...Big difference. Last season, New York was .354, 29 wins. Sacramento was .305, 25 wins.

You now say his Knick PER is more significant than his Kings PER because he played a lot more minutes there. Looking it up...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodrise01.html

531 to 517. Those 14 minutes sure ice your case.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Now THAT was a wasted post. You're making this too easy.

You keep saying Sacramento was SO crappy, so his PER there should be discounted and the New York PER favored. Looking it up...Big difference. Last season, New York was .354, 29 wins. Sacramento was .305, 25 wins.

You now say his Knick PER is more significant than his Kings PER because he played a lot more minutes there. Looking it up...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodrise01.html

531 to 517. Those 14 minutes sure ice your case.

Thanks for taking the time to check my numbers and confirm I was right in both cases.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Sergio Rodriguez PER

14.1 2006-07 Portland
09.0 2007-08 Portland
12.5 2008-09 Portland
16.9 2009-10 Sacramento
12.8 2009-10 New York

Just to review--You like to talk about Sergio's PER, but the only one you ever cite is the 12.8 with the Knicks. You say the reason for your accidentally overlooking his other PERs is that the Kings were so crappy in comparison, and because he played many more minutes in New York. A simple lookup proved both of your rationalizations wrong.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Just to review--You like to talk about Sergio's PER, but the only one you ever cite is the 12.8 with the Knicks. You say the reason for your accidentally overlooking his other PERs is that the Kings were so crappy in comparison, and because he played many more minutes in New York. A simple lookup proved both of your rationalizations wrong.

You're putting words in my mouth and making a lot of assumptions. Would you prefer I quote the lower PERs Sergio had with the Blazers (9.0 and 12.5) with much larger sample sizes. The only reason I mentioned his failure with the Knicks is it was his last chance to stick in the NBA. It was a high paced system with a coach that places very little value on defense. It was, supposedly, the perfect fit for Sergio - and he failed miserably. Bye-bye.

You and Maris sure get worked up over a a guy who is no longer in the league and when he was, was a marginal bench player level "talent".

Of course, along with Ha the Almighty and Viktor "Young Pippen" Khryapa, it seems Maris is trying to assemble the all former-Blazers-who-suck-that-are-now-back-playing-in-their-native-countries-where-they-belong-that-never-lived-up-to-the-ridiculous-hall-of-fame-expectations-of-one-or-two-derranged-posters team. With your stubborn defense of Sergio, you seem to be jumping on the Maris bandwagon.

What don't you get? The guy is out of the league for a reason - he's just not an NBA level talent - not even a good back-up. He has too many holes in his game (can't shoot, horrible defender, turnover machine) that are easily exploited by NBA level opponents. If he was good enough to be in the NBA, he'd still be here, not playing back-up PG getting 18 - 20 MPG and averaging 6 pts and 3 ast on some Spanish league team.

BNM