Gary Payton II Trade to the Warriors

[illmatic99]

Hollinger:
https://theathletic.com/4190727/2023/02/13/nba-trades-news-john-hollinger?source=user-shared-article

As for the nuts and bolts of the dispute between Portland and Golden State, the Warriors have done a much better job in the PR battle, but it’s not clear to me that they’re sitting on an ironclad case to receive any further compensation.

The core issue here (sorry) is the NBA’s requirement on medical disclosures in trades and whether Portland followed the rules. In trades, teams are required to disclose any injuries a player may have or had. They are not, technically, required to disclose how those injuries have been treated; as a result, I’m not sure any complaints about Toradol pills will get much traction. At the time of the trade, teams are given access to the other team’s electronic medical records for a given player (everything is online now, or is supposed to be); if the Blazers failed to note a legitimate injury in here, that would be a more glaring issue, and the league could penalize them.

 

[PCmor7]

It's harassment, slander, and libel that could cause reputational harm to the Blazers. It has already caused defamation. Should the NBA find the complaint without merit, the Warriors need to be held accountable and the articles retracted with apologies.

It really is, and I think there actually is an avenue for the NBA to take action against the Warriors for spreading a baseless rumor against another team that gives a black eye to the league itself.

Basically, the Warriors are saying the NBA doesn't care about its players. That's one of the worst things that can be suggested.

I do think there's a tampering angle that can be pursued, too, although it's not the kind we usually see, but this is a smear against another team with no grounds and that could impact the Blazers ability to attract and acquire players and throw off competitive balance.

If the Blazers are exonerated, I'd like to see them do this, but I don't think they will, simply because it's not going to benefit the Blazers. At worst, GS gets docked a pick or two and gets a decent fine.

 

[PCmor7]

This is all a tempest in a teapot. The Warriors will accept the trade or not (and they'll accept it, IMO).

They can appeal to the NBA about malfeasance by the Blazers... that's their right. I doubt anything will come of it.

I don't understand why it's anything to get worked up about.

It's been accepted. Now they're just trying to throw stuff against a wall to see if it'll stick and they can cover up all the stuff they threw there over the last few days.

 

[Chris Craig]

Sitting back and thinking about this. I see no way we can come out looking good in this. The fact that an investigation is being conducted because of these accusations (however baseless) has already done damage to the reputation and makes it seem like we dont put players' health first.

For a franchise already struggling to draw free agents (oh the irony given who this whole fiasco is about....), this is a big blow. Also, this will only make our future dealings with other teams difficult because they will always think we are withholding info. Unless we make some grandiose gesture in changing medical staffs just to maintain image, the damage is done. And that's true even if the league absolves us.

Seriously man... Fuck GS. I hope Jody sues them to oblivion.

Exactly, the fact the Blazers have been accused and an investigation opened, means they are guilty until proven otherwise. The franchise has now suffered defamation across the league. It's in print, it's been talked about on TNT and other sport shows. All without all the facts. That's not even getting to public opinion. Damage has already been done to reputation of the Blazers. And the verdict isn't even in.

 

[Chris Craig]

It's been accepted. Now they're just trying to throw stuff against a wall to see if it'll stick and they can cover up all the stuff they threw there over the last few days.

Yep. They stepped in it so deep, they could only go deeper to get out the other side. If they kept backing off, sentiment would have turn against them, and they would left looking really bad and be punished themselves.

 

[PCmor7]

Hollinger:
https://theathletic.com/4190727/2023/02/13/nba-trades-news-john-hollinger?source=user-shared-article

As for the nuts and bolts of the dispute between Portland and Golden State, the Warriors have done a much better job in the PR battle, but it’s not clear to me that they’re sitting on an ironclad case to receive any further compensation.

The core issue here (sorry) is the NBA’s requirement on medical disclosures in trades and whether Portland followed the rules. In trades, teams are required to disclose any injuries a player may have or had. They are not, technically, required to disclose how those injuries have been treated; as a result, I’m not sure any complaints about Toradol pills will get much traction. At the time of the trade, teams are given access to the other team’s electronic medical records for a given player (everything is online now, or is supposed to be); if the Blazers failed to note a legitimate injury in here, that would be a more glaring issue, and the league could penalize them.

There's the infuriating thing: The Warriors have done a better PR job because they totally made up something and they have a bigger media network covering them and more national media interested in them.

They've literally been forced to walk back everything they've said up to the Nance nonsense. However, none of the Bay media nor people like Sham and Woj are focusing on that.

It's like someone driving into your lane, hitting your car and getting out and telling everyone else you damaged their car. Then everyone starts telling that story and ignoring the truth that's coming out.

 

[PCmor7]

The Blazers couldn't win the PR battle because no one nationally is trying to sell to the PDX market. Every angle nationally is what this means to the Warriors.

 

[Chris Craig]

There's the infuriating thing: The Warriors have done a better PR job because they totally made up something and they have a bigger media network covering them and more national media interested in them.

They've literally been forced to walk back everything they've said up to the Nance nonsense. However, none of the Bay media nor people like Sham and Woj are focusing on that.

It's like someone driving into your lane, hitting your car and getting out and telling everyone else you damaged their car. Then everyone starts telling that story and ignoring the truth that's coming out.

And everyone saw them drive into your lane and hit your car.

 

[Natebishop3]

You think the warriors as an organization sent the Poole/Green punch video out intentionally? Which benefits them how exactly? So because of that video, the four time champions in the last 7 years are now dysfunctional? Man I wish Portland was that dysfunctional.

The past is the past. They're dysfunctional now. I think their window is closed and they know it.

 

[PCmor7]

It already is easier to exceed elsewhere.

Yeah, but this just makes it even harder. It's like taking the Raptors and forcing them to play in Saskatchewan while raising Canadian taxes even more.

 

[blazerfan11]

From 95.7 The Game (Bay Area)

Breaking News!

So Gary Payton Junior was seen around the facility today and it looked like he was ready to play. (Says Damon Bruce).

he then reports:
A failed physical exam by Gary Payton the 2nd has placed the 4-team deal in serious jeopardy.
this is according to Shams and Anthony Slater, his core muscle injury, could sideline him for three months, following a Warriors' exam.
Whoa! (Damon Bruce).

@Ratto Indy says "I don't know how they ignored this. I think they have to walk the whole trade back."

(there's those two names again, Charania and Anthony Slater. )

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, but this just makes it even harder. It's like taking the Raptors and forcing them to play in Saskatchewan while raising Canadian taxes even more.

It does.

 

[PCmor7]

Exactly, the fact the Blazers have been accused and an investigation opened, means they are guilty until proven otherwise. The franchise has now suffered defamation across the league. It's in print, it's been talked about on TNT and other sport shows. All without all the facts. That's not even getting to public opinion. Damage has already been done to reputation of the Blazers. And the verdict isn't even in.

The deadline's past. The deals have gone through. But all the shaky info GS floated has crashed down, except everyone is 50 miles up the road and they are focused on other stuff now.

 

[Chris Craig]

How long do these types of investigations take?

 

[Natebishop3]

How long do these types of investigations take?

I would bet that we never hear another word about it... unless the NBA finds us guilty and then it will magically be all over the news.

 

[wizenheimer]

Hollinger:
https://theathletic.com/4190727/2023/02/13/nba-trades-news-john-hollinger?source=user-shared-article

As for the nuts and bolts of the dispute between Portland and Golden State, the Warriors have done a much better job in the PR battle, but it’s not clear to me that they’re sitting on an ironclad case to receive any further compensation.

The core issue here (sorry) is the NBA’s requirement on medical disclosures in trades and whether Portland followed the rules. In trades, teams are required to disclose any injuries a player may have or had. They are not, technically, required to disclose how those injuries have been treated; as a result, I’m not sure any complaints about Toradol pills will get much traction. At the time of the trade, teams are given access to the other team’s electronic medical records for a given player (everything is online now, or is supposed to be); if the Blazers failed to note a legitimate injury in here, that would be a more glaring issue, and the league could penalize them.

the biggest reveal there, if it's true, is that teams are required to report injuries but not required to report treatments for injuries, That's signifcant because it would mean that whether or not Portland reported the Toradol pills is irrelevant

unless, somehow, Payton re-injured himself and the Blazers didn't report it I'm not sure what the Warrior are hinging their grievance hat on. I mean, Payton started and played 22 minutes, against the Warriors, 12 hours prior to being trade to the Warriors

no wonder they are trying to hide behind the Nance trade

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

I started to listen to it, but I quickly shut it off. They were trying to objectively give the reasons why the Warriors have filed a grievance and going into the half-assed-logic-backflips of the Warriors trying to hide their weak case behind the Nance trade

any attempt to objectively justify the Warriors position, in my mind at least, is tainted by the tsunami of bullshit, exaggeration, and lies that has flooded out of the bay Area in the past 90 hours. So, an attempt to hide behind a pretty obvious deflection about the Nance trade is the opposite of persuasive to me, instead it is just more confirmation that the Warriors are being big fucking spoiled babies.

Love it.
Maybe that's their new motto:
Golden State Warriors
Come experience our tsunami of bullshit!

 

[maxiep]

Listening to that Chris Haynes podcast, Haynes mentioned how he never doubted that the trade would happen, despite GS's protestations, he mentioned how GS gave up a ton for GPII, and how "Adam Silver was heavily involved" and "I believe they were trying to see what more they could get out of it..." (roughly 25:30-26:00 minute mark).

So, that's Haynes saying their initial strategy was to try to renegotiate the deal, but had no leverage since it was after the trade deadline.

That opinion certainly points to GS simply using this previously known injury (still in the process of healing) as nothing more than a renegotiation ploy. It makes sense, because it's a four-team deal, there would have been a lot of pressure on Cronin to give up a pick or two so as to not blow up the deal. Instead, GS gets put on the hot seat, so they just start dragging our name through the mud.

 

[handiman]

The Blazers couldn't win the PR battle because no one nationally is trying to sell to the PDX market. Every angle nationally is what this means to the Warriors.

It's worse than that. Portland's local media doesn't even like the team, so there's really no one to fairly report "our" side of the story.

 

[e_blazer]

Since the Warriors clearly knew about Payton’s surgery, and since per Hollinger there’s no obligation to disclose treatment, it seems to me the only way the Warriors could get any traction would be if there was evidence that there had been a re-injury that wasn’t disclosed. But given Payton played against the Warriors just a few days before the trade, where’s the evidence of that?

 

[wizenheimer]

 

[maxiep]

This is all a tempest in a teapot. The Warriors will accept the trade or not (and they'll accept it, IMO).

They can appeal to the NBA about malfeasance by the Blazers... that's their right. I doubt anything will come of it.

I don't understand why it's anything to get worked up about.

Ed, I think some of us are bothered by it because of the slander/libel issues. Lies are told (forced Toradol injections), which are then never corrected. Those lies then become part of the narrative and reputational damage is done to this franchise.

It is my strongest hope that we are working behind the scenes with the NBA to be as transparent as possible. After a thorough investigation, I hope a definitive statement is made regarding our actions, good or bad. My fear is they will find nothing, and the League Office won't issue a release clearing us of any of these allegations.

 

[PCmor7]

the biggest reveal there, if it's true, is that teams are required to report injuries but not required to report treatments for injuries, That's signifcant because it would mean that whether or not Portland reported the Toradol pills is irrelevant

unless, somehow, Payton re-injured himself and the Blazers didn't report it I'm not sure what the Warrior are hinging their grievance hat on. I mean, Payton started and played 22 minutes, against the Warriors, 12 hours prior to being trade to the Warriors

no wonder they are trying to hide behind the Nance trade

Obviously GP2's injury occurred when he found out his love for the Warrios made him anathema in the Blazer locker room. They thought his feelings might take 3 months to heal.

 

[OneSport3]

You think the warriors as an organization sent the Poole/Green punch video out intentionally? Which benefits them how exactly? So because of that video, the four time champions in the last 7 years are now dysfunctional? Man I wish Portland was that dysfunctional.

Because Draymond is due for a new contract after this season. It's been speculated that they either don't want to resign him and use the video as justification to make him look like the bad guy or they want to lowball him on the next contract.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

If I was Jody I'd assemble the Vulcan legal team and start peeling the onion.
Compel the authors of the first tweets alleging Blazer wrongdoings to reveal their sources (sauces) and go from there. If it tracks back to GP2 or GS front office......well, fuck em hard.

 

[noknobs]

and how "Adam Silver was heavily involved"

Could you elaborate on that? How so?

 

[HansenYang]

Listening to that Chris Haynes podcast, Haynes mentioned how he never doubted that the trade would happen, despite GS's protestations, he mentioned how GS gave up a ton for GPII, and how "Adam Silver was heavily involved" and "I believe they were trying to see what more they could get out of it..." (roughly 25:30-26:00 minute mark).

Why would Silver be involved in this trade?

The rest of your comment makes a lot of sense... except for Silver's involvement.

 

[Shaboid]

Why would Silver be involved in this trade?

The rest of your comment makes a lot of sense... except for Silver's involvement.

I bet he was only involved after the deadline had passed and they were trying to find some resolution. Sounds like Silver said, "sorry, the deadline has passed. We can do an investigation if you want, but you need to either accept or rescind the deal."

 

[noknobs]

That's interesting because Anthony Slater "covers the Warriors and NBA at large for The Athletic". And the comments section is almost entirely anti-Warriors front office. This mostly sums up the comments I read:

 

[maxiep]

Just a reminder: GPII is listed on the Warriors' injury report as suffering from "Adductor soreness". To my knowledge the Warriors did not release the results of the GPII physical, they just said he failed it. So, we're left to fill in the blanks as to "why?" on our own. In light of those facts, let's please be clear about the "playing through injury" angle. We have zero evidence that GPII is actually injured. Sore? Okay. Not 100%? I'll buy it. Injured and being forced by us to put his career at risk by drugging up and playing? Not a chance.

Sources close to the Warriors have stated that they never seriously considered rescinding the trade, and their first attempt was to try to claw back some of the trade compensation, so let's not pretend they're just fighting for Truth and Justice. They wanted GPII more than we wanted to let him go, so we (for once) got the better end of a trade deal. Compared to the Clippers and Pels who fleeced us, this trade marked one of the first times we clearly got the better end of a deal. GMs have egos, and it probably stings a little. The injury story was a convenient one, but it got out of hand. Now their only way out is to double down.